You forgot to answer the question of "what you do", and why you decide on the rights of other types of workers. There is a place to get scores for free, its called the library, even if your own doesn't have what you want you can get what you want by Inter-Library Loan. This idea that artists should only be paid for live performances is crap, pure and simple. The economics of touring make it nearly impossible to make a decent living touring. Also life on the road is extreamly hard, try having a wife and kid when you are on the road 200+ days a year, for the huge salary of $100 a night. Albini makes touring economics quite clear in his Baffler rant. Also years ago, but now gone, Man or Astroman had a write up by the Brannock Device of all the money in and out of a show (9/1996) at Irving Plaza NYC, I think there were over 1200 people at this show, sold out in about an hour, $10 a ticket, net procedes to each band member $200. Less money into art means less art, especially less interesting art, sorry if you can fund more artists, making sure they get the money, then start your own lable, and "free" the information. Until then shut up about things that you are completely uninformed about.
I have just quoted the law, the beef that Harry Fox has with OLGA is that they do not have rights to distribute the songs, in any form. If you as an artist learn a song by ear, then go to a bar and play that song you are fine. However in this case OLGA is eating into the royalties of The Harry Fox Agency's clients.
How the fuck am I being greedy? I don't expect something for nothing.
YOU DO, that is what greed is! I make art! I freely distribute my art. I Have contributed to many open source projects.
What have you done? How do you afford to eat? Pay your rent? In San Francisco artists are being driven out because they can't afford to pay their rent. I want them to make more money so they can stay. What do you say to the guys who lost their practice space because they couldn't afford to pay the rent, but find 100 copies of their latest single on every napster/opennap server?
Often but not always after the commercial value drops, the price in the store drops accordingly.
Here is your chance to be a hero, start a company which acquires copyrights for stuff out of print, and no longer of commercial value, at that point you have every right to distribute this stuff as you choose. One such place (And I have done a lot of work for this place) is the Internet Moving Images Archive. for the most part, places such as OLGA are not doing the ground work to acquire the copyrights, although it looks like they are going to start an legal archive of tablature that has copyrights that allow open distribution, that is a good thing. I don't think that art needs to be commercial, my own art is paid for by me and posted around the city for everyone to enjoy, I have been offered money but turned it down, that was MY choice. Make your own art and you can choose what to do with it. The Harry Fox Agency has been selling their own Tabs for years (1920s or earlier), they didn't just try to get into the act after someone else. See Steve Albini's rant on the music industry, the Publishing Advance, that is from someone such as the Harry Fox Agency, that is one of the few positives in the whole thing.
Creating Art is not work? Do you know any artists? DO you have an ounce of talent? LAst time I checked a small time musician on the road spends there day as follows. Drive 6 hours to the town with the gig. set up and sound check 2 hours, eat at some slop joint in a strange town. Wait around for the shitting opening band to finish. PLay for 2 hours. Go to bed in a shitty hotel room. get up and do it again, all for less than $100, per band member. No work there. Just because these guys can do things that you never will be able to do doesn't mean it is not work.
I think you should work for the next year, with only an advance, then at the end of the year not be paid anymore. Artists don't deserve to be paid a decent living? This is absurd! Who are you to decide that since you can copy their work it has no value, I CAN go to your house with a rifle and take everything I want from your house.
Mozart was paid for everything he wrote
Do you know anything about the Aneid? Virgil was paid up front for it by Ceasar Augustus, and died before finishing it. Due to the fact the printing press did not exist yet, IP was not needed, the cost associated was the actual copies.
When artists stop being paid, most will stop making art. Sorry that is the world we live in try feeding YOUR children with praise.
Patents are simply a type of IP protection for technology, copyrights are for art. Sorry you lack the abstract thinking skills to understand the conncetion. The case here is simply mass distribution of copyrighted material, believe it or not people who wrote this music (composed not transposed) expect to be paid for you enjoying their work.
You can live in a world where only material property is the norm, but why would anyone pay you to think, if your thought were valueless? In other words, Kia could disassmble the Ford Explorer and build a factory to build Kia Exploiters, exactly like the Ford Explorer, but sell them for half price. Explorers have extreemly high profit margins, so Kia could still make a profit. Why would Ford pay you to design Explorers?
unauthorized distribution of music is a clear copyright infringement. If some people who would pay for the convienence of having it all spelled out for them now get this same convienence for free, food is being taken out of artist's mouths. Some artists choose to distribute their own lyrics and music for free, that is fine, some want to be paid for this.
Funny there where a lot of great bands before the day of online tabliture. Where did they learn the music. Anyone who NEEDS online tabs needs to find a profession other than being a musician.
No, the clean room would be have a friend listen to the music without you. ask him how it makes him feel, Make up your own original music. Now get the same emotion in him.
This is music publishing, unless you have authorization you are not allowed to distribute music in any form, whether it be an MP3 or sheet music.
Harry Fox distributes money directly to the artist. What is wrong with that, I think their problem is not with the tabs that aren't transcribed already, but the ones that are, for sale, but not selling. Those take food out of artists mouths.
Copyright law is ruining the intellectual underpinnings of our society.
I can't think of anything further from the truth. IP, whether it be written words, software, songs, etc is the product of raw brain power, anything else requires something other than brain power./.ers claim to be intellectual, but they can't grasp the notion that without copyright there is only material property rights, thus the only thing with value is material property. At that point we might as well blow out our brains because the only thing of value in them is the chemicals they are made of. Copyrights are around to protect the smartest of our sociaty, there are problems with them but the idea of completely free IP sickens me. I will be a very dull world the moment copyright dissapears.
In the early 70s or late 60s, The Kinks successfully sued The Doors for the song Hello I Love You, they claimed it ripped off Every Day and Every Night, they won all royalties for the song in England.
Because the original writer of the song has rights to royalties for every copy of the song, whether it be an original recording done by the songwriter, a cover by another band, a performance by another band, or even sheet music.
I like copyright, I like the work of talented writers, directors, musicians. Without copyright those people will use their considerable talents elsewhere maybe even put you out of a job.
Slashdot people claim to be so smart, and value intellegence, however it is funny that IP is considered worthless here even though it is the only thing you can make with only brain power.
The law clearly states that you are allowed to cover a song as soon as it is recorded once. You are responsible for paying the songwriter for every performance, and every single sold copy of the song. Harry Fox takes care of collecting and distributing these royalties.
http://www.loc.gov/copyright/fedreg/mech96-4.htm l
BTW Harry Fox is about the protection of the songwriter.
uhh, isn't the point that people don't want to figure it out for themselves, they want someone else to, and get to download it for free. If they were all figuing it out for themselves, then this site would not exist.
cite your source show me the figures that prove this, because this is nothing more than a pipe dream! Most small bands ONLY make their money from Mechanical Royalties, which comes from BMI/ASCAP, and the record company see none of it. Touring is generally just done to promote a record. See Steve Albini and Dave Lowery's rants on the subject (Both of them are much more aquainted with the recording industry than you are!!)
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You forgot to answer the question of "what you do", and why you decide on the rights of other types of workers. There is a place to get scores for free, its called the library, even if your own doesn't have what you want you can get what you want by Inter-Library Loan. This idea that artists should only be paid for live performances is crap, pure and simple. The economics of touring make it nearly impossible to make a decent living touring. Also life on the road is extreamly hard, try having a wife and kid when you are on the road 200+ days a year, for the huge salary of $100 a night. Albini makes touring economics quite clear in his Baffler rant. Also years ago, but now gone, Man or Astroman had a write up by the Brannock Device of all the money in and out of a show (9/1996) at Irving Plaza NYC, I think there were over 1200 people at this show, sold out in about an hour, $10 a ticket, net procedes to each band member $200. Less money into art means less art, especially less interesting art, sorry if you can fund more artists, making sure they get the money, then start your own lable, and "free" the information. Until then shut up about things that you are completely uninformed about.
How the fuck am I being greedy? I don't expect something for nothing.
YOU DO, that is what greed is! I make art! I freely distribute my art. I Have contributed to many open source projects.
What have you done? How do you afford to eat? Pay your rent? In San Francisco artists are being driven out because they can't afford to pay their rent. I want them to make more money so they can stay. What do you say to the guys who lost their practice space because they couldn't afford to pay the rent, but find 100 copies of their latest single on every napster/opennap server?
Here is your chance to be a hero, start a company which acquires copyrights for stuff out of print, and no longer of commercial value, at that point you have every right to distribute this stuff as you choose. One such place (And I have done a lot of work for this place) is the Internet Moving Images Archive. for the most part, places such as OLGA are not doing the ground work to acquire the copyrights, although it looks like they are going to start an legal archive of tablature that has copyrights that allow open distribution, that is a good thing. I don't think that art needs to be commercial, my own art is paid for by me and posted around the city for everyone to enjoy, I have been offered money but turned it down, that was MY choice. Make your own art and you can choose what to do with it. The Harry Fox Agency has been selling their own Tabs for years (1920s or earlier), they didn't just try to get into the act after someone else. See Steve Albini's rant on the music industry, the Publishing Advance, that is from someone such as the Harry Fox Agency, that is one of the few positives in the whole thing.
Creating Art is not work? Do you know any artists? DO you have an ounce of talent? LAst time I checked a small time musician on the road spends there day as follows. Drive 6 hours to the town with the gig. set up and sound check 2 hours, eat at some slop joint in a strange town. Wait around for the shitting opening band to finish. PLay for 2 hours. Go to bed in a shitty hotel room. get up and do it again, all for less than $100, per band member. No work there. Just because these guys can do things that you never will be able to do doesn't mean it is not work.
I think you should work for the next year, with only an advance, then at the end of the year not be paid anymore. Artists don't deserve to be paid a decent living? This is absurd! Who are you to decide that since you can copy their work it has no value, I CAN go to your house with a rifle and take everything I want from your house.
Mozart was paid for everything he wrote
Do you know anything about the Aneid? Virgil was paid up front for it by Ceasar Augustus, and died before finishing it. Due to the fact the printing press did not exist yet, IP was not needed, the cost associated was the actual copies.
When artists stop being paid, most will stop making art. Sorry that is the world we live in try feeding YOUR children with praise.
Patents are simply a type of IP protection for technology, copyrights are for art. Sorry you lack the abstract thinking skills to understand the conncetion. The case here is simply mass distribution of copyrighted material, believe it or not people who wrote this music (composed not transposed) expect to be paid for you enjoying their work.
The Harry Fox Agency doesn't have a monopoly, the songwriters themselves choose The Harry Fox Agency to collect their royalties for them.
You can live in a world where only material property is the norm, but why would anyone pay you to think, if your thought were valueless? In other words, Kia could disassmble the Ford Explorer and build a factory to build Kia Exploiters, exactly like the Ford Explorer, but sell them for half price. Explorers have extreemly high profit margins, so Kia could still make a profit. Why would Ford pay you to design Explorers?
That doesn't give you the right to distribute the music for free, write your own songs and distribute them to your hearts content.
unauthorized distribution of music is a clear copyright infringement. If some people who would pay for the convienence of having it all spelled out for them now get this same convienence for free, food is being taken out of artist's mouths. Some artists choose to distribute their own lyrics and music for free, that is fine, some want to be paid for this.
Bars that play music on a stereo sound system also pays BMI/ASCAP
Funny there where a lot of great bands before the day of online tabliture. Where did they learn the music. Anyone who NEEDS online tabs needs to find a profession other than being a musician.
This is music publishing, unless you have authorization you are not allowed to distribute music in any form, whether it be an MP3 or sheet music.
Harry Fox distributes money directly to the artist. What is wrong with that, I think their problem is not with the tabs that aren't transcribed already, but the ones that are, for sale, but not selling. Those take food out of artists mouths.
I can't think of anything further from the truth. IP, whether it be written words, software, songs, etc is the product of raw brain power, anything else requires something other than brain power. /.ers claim to be intellectual, but they can't grasp the notion that without copyright there is only material property rights, thus the only thing with value is material property. At that point we might as well blow out our brains because the only thing of value in them is the chemicals they are made of. Copyrights are around to protect the smartest of our sociaty, there are problems with them but the idea of completely free IP sickens me. I will be a very dull world the moment copyright dissapears.
In the early 70s or late 60s, The Kinks successfully sued The Doors for the song Hello I Love You, they claimed it ripped off Every Day and Every Night, they won all royalties for the song in England.
Because the original writer of the song has rights to royalties for every copy of the song, whether it be an original recording done by the songwriter, a cover by another band, a performance by another band, or even sheet music.
I like copyright, I like the work of talented writers, directors, musicians. Without copyright those people will use their considerable talents elsewhere maybe even put you out of a job.
Slashdot people claim to be so smart, and value intellegence, however it is funny that IP is considered worthless here even though it is the only thing you can make with only brain power.
This isn't about the guitarist using the tabs, it is about the tabs being distributed without authorization, a clear case of copyright infringement.
http://www.loc.gov/copyright/fedreg/mech96-4.htm l
BTW Harry Fox is about the protection of the songwriter.
If you write them for your personal use you are fine. Distibution is the problem here, and most everywhere.
uhh, isn't the point that people don't want to figure it out for themselves, they want someone else to, and get to download it for free. If they were all figuing it out for themselves, then this site would not exist.
cite your source show me the figures that prove this, because this is nothing more than a pipe dream! Most small bands ONLY make their money from Mechanical Royalties, which comes from BMI/ASCAP, and the record company see none of it. Touring is generally just done to promote a record. See Steve Albini and Dave Lowery's rants on the subject (Both of them are much more aquainted with the recording industry than you are!!)
if no one pays for such thing, than such thing will stop being made.
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