I'm a cultural imperialist. I really don't *care* what race the person is who is following Islam.
And no, I'm not apologetic about it, because I don't see it as a bad thing.
While there may be some good in a culture that practices female genital mutilation, gives 100 lashes -- followed by stoning to death -- women for having been raped (zina), assigns the death penalty for people who convert from Islam to another religion (apostasy), cuts off hands and/or feet for theft (a hudud crime in sharia), believe in "an eye for an eye" (Qisas) or a bribe (Diyya) in the event of property damage, injury, or murder... I'm of the opinion that the bad outweighs the good.
And yes, I believe women should be allowed to learn to read.
Heck, the Sunni's can't even *agree* on all aspect of Sharia -- there are four major schools: Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'i and Hanbali, and a bunch of minor ones) -- and just try to get them to agree with the Shia -- major branch is Jafari, but also a lot of minor ones.
Getting rid of most of this crap is just good sense.
P.S.: I'm pretty sure I'm more knowledgeable on this topic than you are, with your one word response ad hominem attack on me to try to damage the credibility of what I said in my previous posting.
P.P.S.: In case you do not know Latin, which you probably don't, that means "to the person", and it's a logical fallacy, so your attack is pretty meaningless, even if I just proved you're an idiot who can't tell a racist from a cultural imperialist.
On behalf of all the black hats and script kiddies out there: I applaud your advice, sir.
Give me a break!
The guy has already said he's going to be using it to run Java, so whatever bugs are in an older versions of Chrome, kept around to be used exclusively to run the Java plugin, are no worse than the fact that he's using Java in the first place. He obviously doesn't care about security, if the Java lumps I've analyzed being downloaded from pirate video sites are any example, since I've counted no less than 17 unpatched Java plugin exploits being used (before I gave up and quit counting).
But it's great that Oracle is endorsing Firefox like this, by not making a standalone Java-based browser for talking to Java-requiring sites...
I realize that you would not want to bring these ISIS folks home to meet your mother, but I do feel that we should still observe some formalities. Like perhaps a formal declaration of war from Congress? A budget with funding would be really nice.
The way formal declarations of war work is that you have to declare against nation-states.
This is why "the war on " is so stupid, apart from the fact that you can never declare victory, because you can't establish victory conditions. Take "the war on poverty": OK, poverty surrenders. What are your terms and plans for the conquered lands of poverty going forward?
ISIS is a difficult problem in the same way: despite being regionally located, they are not a politically recognized nation-state, nor are they likely to be in the future, and they are not done with their attempts to conquer territory, so you really can't establish fixed borders inside which you should bomb, and so on.
The ISIS military actions must therefor most resemble what we have already done in Afghanistan, Iraq, and so forth: they are in fact "police actions", as loathe as we are to use that terminology due to the police action that we are now calling, retroactively, "The Vietnam War" (without having had a formal declaration of war there, either).
One refers to a people, the other refers to a place. Immigrants to the West from the middle east don't kill each other very often based on their ancestor's tribal conflicts.
The original posting in this thread was rather badly put, but some interesting ideas have come up in the context of replies in the aftermath of that posting.
"Honor Violence"/"Honor Killings": thousands of women and young girls in the U.S. each year.
The immigrants tend to bring their culture with them, and since we've gone from the "melting pot" mentality to the "multicultural" mentality, with its enclaves, things have only gotten worse over recent years:
But, you know, feel free to believe it's an effect of radicalizing radiation that comes from a particular region, and that once people are removed from the region, it magically stops.
I've been monitoring seismic activity in the North-Central Oklahoma region for about a year now. You might want to check . . . they didn't used to get multiple daily 3+ magnitude events there when I was young (admittedly, when dinosaurs roamed the earth).
They're "3+" because we've gone to using the Moment Magnitude Scale in the 1970's, in place of the Richter Scale.
They wouldn't be anywhere near "3+" on the Richter Scale. For that matter, it's somewhat stupid to compare numbers in data before the 970's with data after the 1970's.
But hey, more jobs for geophysicists = a good thing!
And once again, we blame everyone but the kid themselves for the kid. It had to be something that was DONE to them. There's no such thing as a marginal kid, only good kids who have been marginalized through no fault of their own, because they were helpless in the throes of a marginalizing situation.
Cluebat: There's such a thing as marginal kids.
Before all other lessons, we should likely be teaching personal responsibility. You do not "give a kid a good education". A kid *takes* their education, and a non-marginal kid will do that over your objections.
Felons kill other felons with guns in the inner city all the time.
Clearly, the problem is that there is such a thing as an "inner city" in the first place. Get rid of those, and no one will ever die by being shot in "the inner city".
Let's be honest here, going metric is just like banning guns: regardless of how you feel about the subject, the cost of changing the way it has been for hundreds of years is just too great.
Just *think* of all the make-work *jobs* ("work for one person for one year") this would create for people whose major talent in life is "smoking weed" and their other major talent in life is "installing new road signs and other manual labor, as needed"!
No, they don't die, they kill your city. They put 12 people in a two bedroom and the housing market responds by raising rent to $9k/mo.
If you don't work like a slave and live like a refugee, you're out.
(1) Real Estate values tend to go *down* in areas with "apartment packing". There are areas of San Francisco, Oakland, Emeryville, and Palo Alto where it's extremely cheap to live because of this.
(2) Typically "apartment packing" involves illegal aliens or students, rather than H1-B workers. There is a legal requirement for "prevailing wage" pay for H1-B workers -- although as I noted in my other posting, under the table contracting agency kickbacks are not entirely uncommon (but usually limited to a small number of contractors).
That is not true. H1-B holders are free to switch jobs. They can't just quit and stick around in US, but they most certainly can transfer their visa to another job.
There is no such thing as an H1-B transfer.
What actually happens is the new employer files a new H1-B petition, they just don't have to worry about the H1-B cap restriction. The filing is required to inde copies of the most recent 3 pay stubs (i.e. do not expect it to work if you have not worked in the U.S. for at least a month and a half), a copy of the most recent for I-797, a copy of all pages of their passport, a copy of their form I-94, a copy of their current visa stamp, a copy of their latest resume, their social security card, previous approval notices, degrees, diplomas, transcripts, mark sheets, and all work experience letters (the previous employer may not cooperate, which can be a pain), offer letters, and relieving letters.
It's a pretty big deal, and since they have 30 days from end date at the pervious job to get everything filed, it can be a pretty tight fit in terms of process.
The new employer generally requests to extend the status at the same time, so that they don't lose the employee prematurely due to the old expiration date.
So:
(1) Yes they can switch jobs
(2) It's generally about as much fun for them as an intestinal parasite
The typical way this gets handled instead is that your brother in law, who already has his green card, starts a small contracting agency, hires you as a contractor, transfers you to the U.S. as a job transfer after getting you an H1-B, and then whoever you work for is actually paying your brother in law, and how big a cut of it you get really depends on how much your brother in law likes you, and whether or not his sister is capable of bullying him.
But the cost to a company like Disney to contract out to the brother in law is generally *above* prevailing wage to cover agency costs, and then whether or not you actually get that, you get it on paper, and then usually there's an under the table kickback to the brother in law.
So H1-B workers tend to get less than prevailing wage, but it generally does not depress the wage of U.S. workers because the companies who contract their services indirectly tend to be paying a premium.
What I do wonder about is the legality of withholding severance benefits from those who do not comply.
Technically, they received severance. What would have been withheld is 3 months of "paycheck continuation program" and an additional pay-for-stay bonus on top of that. In other words it was a bonus, not severance.
If you're French, you might not understand this, given that standard severance in France is a year, and you can actually "go back to the well" and demand more money, and the courts will usually side with the former employee. As Mandriva just discovered, to their bankrupt regret.
Americans can't do the job.......because they are too expensive. They expect a wage they can live on.....*gasp*
So if I understand you correctly... H1-B workers are dying in droves because they can't afford to live on the wage they are being paid?
Cool! So the problem is self--solving, isn't it? Eventually all the H1-B workers will all be dead, and U.S. IT workers will be able to go back to work.
If the outgoing American workers are training them then clearly there are Americans qualified for the jobs.
Sure they're qualified. But Disney didn't hire replacement workers, they outsourced their IT. The companies to which they outsourced their IT were responsible for hiring the workers.
Lack of qualified workers is a requirement for H1B visas.
Which would probably be relevant, if Disney had applied for any H!-B's, or had hired any H1-B workers themselves, but they didn't, they just hired a contracting agency to outsource their IT.
If the companies they are contracting with are found to be in violation of H1-B rules -- which normally takes a whistle-blower to prove -- then great, those companies go out of business, and Disney hires a *different* contracting agency to outsource their IT work.
It's not like that IT work is going to come back in-house at Disney; it's too easy to use a contracting agency in order to get on-demand scaling based on the number of bodies you need doing IT this month, as opposed to last month, as opposed to next month.
Outsourcing your IT, if there's not a huge amount of specialized vertical market knowledge required to do it, is a rational cost control measure for a business that doesn't want to carry around extra IT capacity when they really have no work for all of them this particular month.
Face it: the ex-workers were a commodity, and you can get a commodity anywhere.
And why are we talking about events that happened more than 6 months ago again?
Disney DID NOT HIRE H1-B workers. They outsourced their IT operations to Tata and Infosys. Many of the workers engaged in the contract work are located in Hyderabad, India; certainly, the on-call personnel are.
Yes, the IT personnel who were dismissed got a 3 month "paycheck continuation program", and then another 5 weeks of severance on top of that as additional consideration, if they trained the contractors employed by the outsource contracting agency.
This wouldn't be an issue now, six months after the fact, if there wasn't a Rochester college professor trying to huckster his next book.
BTW: That college professor? He immigrated to the U.S. from India.
Have you ever worked for a politically connected US corporation? From your comments I assume not.
Every company has a PAC. Once you get to a certain level you had better be giving money to that PAC, or you are not a "team player". Good luck moving up in the hierarchy, or even keeping your job, if you don't.
I was in a smallish aerospace company (by now they've pass $1 billion in sales, which is not big in that industry), and I saw this first hand.
Grow up. There's no room for honest dissent in corporate culture. It's a subset of the reality that there's no room for honestly in corporate culture.
This does not mesh with my experience working at:
- Novell - Artisoft - IBM (after they bought our startup) - Apple - Google
Perhaps the aerospace industry is more corrupt?
Both Google and Apple had *very active* PACs, and there was no consequence to not voting Democrat when Steve Jobs urged you to do so, or not contributing to Google's NETPAC when the executives urged you to do so.
Google's pretty much all over the map on who they contribute to, and the article is full of crap, pretty much it all gets disclosed:
Conrad Black was convicted of fraud. The situation with Google is entirely different.
They have a contract with their employees for matching charitable contributions. This is a significant employee benefit.
It's asinine to insist that all of Google's employees be Social Democrats, Green Party, or any other single political block. They are a diverse group, and they will support a diverse set of causes, as diverse groups of people do.
Sergey, Larry, and Eric have been reasonable custodians of their company in an environment where, had it been possible for them to do so, an activist investor like a Carl Icahn, T. Boone Pickens, Jr., or like Starboard Value LP had taken over the entire Darden board, and basically killed Olive Garden (U.S. same-store sales slid 1.3% last quarter).
Activist investors are more generally Gordon Gecko's than they are people who want to help grow the business. It's pretty clear that Starboard fully intends to spin off the Darden group Real Estate holding as a separate liquidation, which will increase the per-store flooring costs. This was in fact a key point of their presentations to shareholders: take short term profit for long term loss (but by then you've sold out to some sucker who is only looking at quarter over quarter profits, one quarter deep).
God help Google if someone like Icahn or Einhorn gets his hooks as deeply into Google as both of them have gotten their hooks into Apple.
It pretty much doesn't damn well matter. The investors can want whatever they want, and it won't matter.
Between Sergey, Larry, and Eric, they control more than 50% of the voting stock, and therefore they control the board, and the investors can go pound sand for all of the real fiscal influence they have on the company. The can more or less just shut up and take their profits on the rise of the non-voting stock price, or they can sell their stock and let someone else take the profits.
PS: I notice no one has mentioned the fact that a lot of the charitable organizations they are giving to are 501(c)(3)'s, and they represent matching contributions for contributions by employees:
"Google will match employee donations from a minimum gift of $50 up to $6,000 per donor per year."
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I'm a cultural imperialist. I really don't *care* what race the person is who is following Islam.
And no, I'm not apologetic about it, because I don't see it as a bad thing.
While there may be some good in a culture that practices female genital mutilation, gives 100 lashes -- followed by stoning to death -- women for having been raped (zina), assigns the death penalty for people who convert from Islam to another religion (apostasy), cuts off hands and/or feet for theft (a hudud crime in sharia), believe in "an eye for an eye" (Qisas) or a bribe (Diyya) in the event of property damage, injury, or murder... I'm of the opinion that the bad outweighs the good.
And yes, I believe women should be allowed to learn to read.
Heck, the Sunni's can't even *agree* on all aspect of Sharia -- there are four major schools: Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'i and Hanbali, and a bunch of minor ones) -- and just try to get them to agree with the Shia -- major branch is Jafari, but also a lot of minor ones.
Getting rid of most of this crap is just good sense.
P.S.: I'm pretty sure I'm more knowledgeable on this topic than you are, with your one word response ad hominem attack on me to try to damage the credibility of what I said in my previous posting.
P.P.S.: In case you do not know Latin, which you probably don't, that means "to the person", and it's a logical fallacy, so your attack is pretty meaningless, even if I just proved you're an idiot who can't tell a racist from a cultural imperialist.
On behalf of all the black hats and script kiddies out there: I applaud your advice, sir.
Give me a break!
The guy has already said he's going to be using it to run Java, so whatever bugs are in an older versions of Chrome, kept around to be used exclusively to run the Java plugin, are no worse than the fact that he's using Java in the first place. He obviously doesn't care about security, if the Java lumps I've analyzed being downloaded from pirate video sites are any example, since I've counted no less than 17 unpatched Java plugin exploits being used (before I gave up and quit counting).
But it's great that Oracle is endorsing Firefox like this, by not making a standalone Java-based browser for talking to Java-requiring sites...
Surely it's not because Pepper is designed first and foremost for Chrome, rather than being easy to adopt, like NPAPI was?
Actually, the reason is that it would require widespread adoption of the Chrome sandbox model, which is integral to the implementation.
That's not what you say it is.
If it's a declaration of war, it's one against the nation state of Tripoli.
What it really is doing is a blanket grant of letters of marque:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...
Keep an older copy of Chrome around?
Manual installs always offer this as an option, if you have disabled the autoupdate (which sucks a ton of bandwidth anyway).
I realize that you would not want to bring these ISIS folks home to meet your mother, but I do feel that we should still observe some formalities. Like perhaps a formal declaration of war from Congress? A budget with funding would be really nice.
The way formal declarations of war work is that you have to declare against nation-states.
This is why "the war on " is so stupid, apart from the fact that you can never declare victory, because you can't establish victory conditions. Take "the war on poverty": OK, poverty surrenders. What are your terms and plans for the conquered lands of poverty going forward?
ISIS is a difficult problem in the same way: despite being regionally located, they are not a politically recognized nation-state, nor are they likely to be in the future, and they are not done with their attempts to conquer territory, so you really can't establish fixed borders inside which you should bomb, and so on.
The ISIS military actions must therefor most resemble what we have already done in Afghanistan, Iraq, and so forth: they are in fact "police actions", as loathe as we are to use that terminology due to the police action that we are now calling, retroactively, "The Vietnam War" (without having had a formal declaration of war there, either).
One refers to a people, the other refers to a place. Immigrants to the West from the middle east don't kill each other very often based on their ancestor's tribal conflicts.
The original posting in this thread was rather badly put, but some interesting ideas have come up in the context of replies in the aftermath of that posting.
"Honor Violence"/"Honor Killings": thousands of women and young girls in the U.S. each year.
The immigrants tend to bring their culture with them, and since we've gone from the "melting pot" mentality to the "multicultural" mentality, with its enclaves, things have only gotten worse over recent years:
http://www.theahafoundation.or...
But, you know, feel free to believe it's an effect of radicalizing radiation that comes from a particular region, and that once people are removed from the region, it magically stops.
Solar power is a fossil fuel: it's made from fossil sunlight, which is 9 minutes old.
I've been monitoring seismic activity in the North-Central Oklahoma region for about a year now. You might want to check . . . they didn't used to get multiple daily 3+ magnitude events there when I was young (admittedly, when dinosaurs roamed the earth).
They're "3+" because we've gone to using the Moment Magnitude Scale in the 1970's, in place of the Richter Scale.
They wouldn't be anywhere near "3+" on the Richter Scale. For that matter, it's somewhat stupid to compare numbers in data before the 970's with data after the 1970's.
But hey, more jobs for geophysicists = a good thing!
"...marginalized kids."
And once again, we blame everyone but the kid themselves for the kid. It had to be something that was DONE to them. There's no such thing as a marginal kid, only good kids who have been marginalized through no fault of their own, because they were helpless in the throes of a marginalizing situation.
Cluebat: There's such a thing as marginal kids.
Before all other lessons, we should likely be teaching personal responsibility. You do not "give a kid a good education". A kid *takes* their education, and a non-marginal kid will do that over your objections.
I've seen technology 'systematically overcome the socio-economic divides'.
That technology was called "the printing press".
Should we be so concerned with what they took?
How about we be a little more concerned with what they inserted?
I wonder how many Ministry of State Security agents are now vetted for U.S. high security clearances?
Felons kill other felons with guns in the inner city all the time.
Clearly, the problem is that there is such a thing as an "inner city" in the first place. Get rid of those, and no one will ever die by being shot in "the inner city".
Who else thought this would be about foreign spiders getting H1-B's, and taking jobs from American spiders?
Let's be honest here, going metric is just like banning guns: regardless of how you feel about the subject, the cost of changing the way it has been for hundreds of years is just too great.
Just *think* of all the make-work *jobs* ("work for one person for one year") this would create for people whose major talent in life is "smoking weed" and their other major talent in life is "installing new road signs and other manual labor, as needed"!
Nor is there any need to for the majority of people.
This.
It's irrelevant, unless you are a hard science scientist, and if you are a scientist in a hard science, you are already metric.
No, they don't die, they kill your city. They put 12 people in a two bedroom and the housing market responds by raising rent to $9k/mo.
If you don't work like a slave and live like a refugee, you're out.
(1) Real Estate values tend to go *down* in areas with "apartment packing". There are areas of San Francisco, Oakland, Emeryville, and Palo Alto where it's extremely cheap to live because of this.
(2) Typically "apartment packing" involves illegal aliens or students, rather than H1-B workers. There is a legal requirement for "prevailing wage" pay for H1-B workers -- although as I noted in my other posting, under the table contracting agency kickbacks are not entirely uncommon (but usually limited to a small number of contractors).
That is not true. H1-B holders are free to switch jobs. They can't just quit and stick around in US, but they most certainly can transfer their visa to another job.
There is no such thing as an H1-B transfer.
What actually happens is the new employer files a new H1-B petition, they just don't have to worry about the H1-B cap restriction. The filing is required to inde copies of the most recent 3 pay stubs (i.e. do not expect it to work if you have not worked in the U.S. for at least a month and a half), a copy of the most recent for I-797, a copy of all pages of their passport, a copy of their form I-94, a copy of their current visa stamp, a copy of their latest resume, their social security card, previous approval notices, degrees, diplomas, transcripts, mark sheets, and all work experience letters (the previous employer may not cooperate, which can be a pain), offer letters, and relieving letters.
It's a pretty big deal, and since they have 30 days from end date at the pervious job to get everything filed, it can be a pretty tight fit in terms of process.
The new employer generally requests to extend the status at the same time, so that they don't lose the employee prematurely due to the old expiration date.
So:
(1) Yes they can switch jobs
(2) It's generally about as much fun for them as an intestinal parasite
The typical way this gets handled instead is that your brother in law, who already has his green card, starts a small contracting agency, hires you as a contractor, transfers you to the U.S. as a job transfer after getting you an H1-B, and then whoever you work for is actually paying your brother in law, and how big a cut of it you get really depends on how much your brother in law likes you, and whether or not his sister is capable of bullying him.
But the cost to a company like Disney to contract out to the brother in law is generally *above* prevailing wage to cover agency costs, and then whether or not you actually get that, you get it on paper, and then usually there's an under the table kickback to the brother in law.
So H1-B workers tend to get less than prevailing wage, but it generally does not depress the wage of U.S. workers because the companies who contract their services indirectly tend to be paying a premium.
What I do wonder about is the legality of withholding severance benefits from those who do not comply.
Technically, they received severance. What would have been withheld is 3 months of "paycheck continuation program" and an additional pay-for-stay bonus on top of that. In other words it was a bonus, not severance.
If you're French, you might not understand this, given that standard severance in France is a year, and you can actually "go back to the well" and demand more money, and the courts will usually side with the former employee. As Mandriva just discovered, to their bankrupt regret.
Americans can't do the job.......because they are too expensive. They expect a wage they can live on.....*gasp*
So if I understand you correctly... H1-B workers are dying in droves because they can't afford to live on the wage they are being paid?
Cool! So the problem is self--solving, isn't it? Eventually all the H1-B workers will all be dead, and U.S. IT workers will be able to go back to work.
If the outgoing American workers are training them then clearly there are Americans qualified for the jobs.
Sure they're qualified. But Disney didn't hire replacement workers, they outsourced their IT. The companies to which they outsourced their IT were responsible for hiring the workers.
Lack of qualified workers is a requirement for H1B visas.
Which would probably be relevant, if Disney had applied for any H!-B's, or had hired any H1-B workers themselves, but they didn't, they just hired a contracting agency to outsource their IT.
If the companies they are contracting with are found to be in violation of H1-B rules -- which normally takes a whistle-blower to prove -- then great, those companies go out of business, and Disney hires a *different* contracting agency to outsource their IT work.
It's not like that IT work is going to come back in-house at Disney; it's too easy to use a contracting agency in order to get on-demand scaling based on the number of bodies you need doing IT this month, as opposed to last month, as opposed to next month.
Outsourcing your IT, if there's not a huge amount of specialized vertical market knowledge required to do it, is a rational cost control measure for a business that doesn't want to carry around extra IT capacity when they really have no work for all of them this particular month.
Face it: the ex-workers were a commodity, and you can get a commodity anywhere.
And why are we talking about events that happened more than 6 months ago again?
Don't be a horses ass!
Disney DID NOT HIRE H1-B workers. They outsourced their IT operations to Tata and Infosys. Many of the workers engaged in the contract work are located in Hyderabad, India; certainly, the on-call personnel are.
Yes, the IT personnel who were dismissed got a 3 month "paycheck continuation program", and then another 5 weeks of severance on top of that as additional consideration, if they trained the contractors employed by the outsource contracting agency.
This wouldn't be an issue now, six months after the fact, if there wasn't a Rochester college professor trying to huckster his next book.
BTW: That college professor? He immigrated to the U.S. from India.
Have you ever worked for a politically connected US corporation? From your comments I assume not.
Every company has a PAC. Once you get to a certain level you had better be giving money to that PAC, or you are not a "team player". Good luck moving up in the hierarchy, or even keeping your job, if you don't.
I was in a smallish aerospace company (by now they've pass $1 billion in sales, which is not big in that industry), and I saw this first hand.
Grow up. There's no room for honest dissent in corporate culture. It's a subset of the reality that there's no room for honestly in corporate culture.
This does not mesh with my experience working at:
- Novell
- Artisoft
- IBM (after they bought our startup)
- Apple
- Google
Perhaps the aerospace industry is more corrupt?
Both Google and Apple had *very active* PACs, and there was no consequence to not voting Democrat when Steve Jobs urged you to do so, or not contributing to Google's NETPAC when the executives urged you to do so.
Google's pretty much all over the map on who they contribute to, and the article is full of crap, pretty much it all gets disclosed:
http://www.google.com/publicpo...
Conrad Black was convicted of fraud. The situation with Google is entirely different.
They have a contract with their employees for matching charitable contributions. This is a significant employee benefit.
It's asinine to insist that all of Google's employees be Social Democrats, Green Party, or any other single political block. They are a diverse group, and they will support a diverse set of causes, as diverse groups of people do.
Sergey, Larry, and Eric have been reasonable custodians of their company in an environment where, had it been possible for them to do so, an activist investor like a Carl Icahn, T. Boone Pickens, Jr., or like Starboard Value LP had taken over the entire Darden board, and basically killed Olive Garden (U.S. same-store sales slid 1.3% last quarter).
Activist investors are more generally Gordon Gecko's than they are people who want to help grow the business. It's pretty clear that Starboard fully intends to spin off the Darden group Real Estate holding as a separate liquidation, which will increase the per-store flooring costs. This was in fact a key point of their presentations to shareholders: take short term profit for long term loss (but by then you've sold out to some sucker who is only looking at quarter over quarter profits, one quarter deep).
God help Google if someone like Icahn or Einhorn gets his hooks as deeply into Google as both of them have gotten their hooks into Apple.
It pretty much doesn't damn well matter. The investors can want whatever they want, and it won't matter.
Between Sergey, Larry, and Eric, they control more than 50% of the voting stock, and therefore they control the board, and the investors can go pound sand for all of the real fiscal influence they have on the company. The can more or less just shut up and take their profits on the rise of the non-voting stock price, or they can sell their stock and let someone else take the profits.
PS: I notice no one has mentioned the fact that a lot of the charitable organizations they are giving to are 501(c)(3)'s, and they represent matching contributions for contributions by employees:
"Google will match employee donations from a minimum gift of $50 up to $6,000 per donor per year."
https://doublethedonation.com/...