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urm...
i think he meant time wise...
maybe... im not sure tho... i could be wrong...
Problem with satellites is...
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To produce enough energy, we would need a hell-of-a-lot of satellites...
ever gone outside at night??? notice those bright shooting things that fly across the sky???
the earth is constantly being bombarded by (often small) pieces of rock, matter and other c**p (MIR!?!?:P) which will normally burn up, so we dont notice them... However, these satellites would be exposed to these missiles, and we would be constantly repairing them...
Windows IS modularised, but instead of modularising the code in nice small bundles (eg. functions and routines, etc.) it uses whole aplications as modules??? (eg. OLE (???) or WMP in IE, etc)
Take for instance my school. We have, for trials, migrated 2 workstations over from NT4 to WinXP in our CISCO lab. It comes with.NET Messenger (MSN Messenger), we cannot work out any way to remove this, and every day, we find some shmuck trying to use it. Why is it that we are unable to remove it? Is it a crucial part of the NT5 kernel??? Would XP cease to work without it??? NO! It is just bloat and pointless waste of space, and time.
well in our network, we have disabled windows messenger of the workstations. and we are able to fully control all computer systems restricting one's access to certain apps and avoiding messing up with the computer. everything is done without installing any 3rd party software. just the policy settings.
That is what ours should do... However a nice virus through the network doesnt help policies... I wish ours DID do that...
and if you think that having all of those software takes up harddrive space. i bet your collection of mp3 and other files is 100000x more than a simple 4MB installation file. with the 160gb hdd on the horizon and a hdd with the smallest 20gb in the market, what do you do with all the space (other than storing those mp3 files in it?)
For your info, my MP3 collection is probably about 1.5Gig... Nothing to write home about... The main difference is where my 1.5Gig of MP3s I listen to and use, whereas IE, WMP, etc. I _NEVER_ use... And as for IE5.5, its installer to Download (so most probably compressed) for most (not even all!) of the modules is about 30-50Mb!!! And that is probably compressed... So thats atleast 50Mb that is wasted... I may as well just mark the clusters as bad on the hard disk and be done with it... (I had to download it when I was using W95 by the way... So I havent downloaded it recently... I dread to think of the size of IE6!)
Also, I still use a 3GB drive to accompany my 40 GB HDD. There are alot of people out there who simply do not have a 2Ghz P4 with a 80GB HDD. Most workstations at my school have only 4GB or (in some cases) 2GB HDDs... Its simply not a good argument to say "We have 160GB, LETS FILL IT!!!". If there was a court for programs, Im sure that would come under the charge of "Gross Abuse of Hardware" =P
however, have you ever thought that you bought a car without any parts in it. meaning because you can "rebrand a car" this means that I can sell one without tires (and you will be the one to choose) or i sell you without any parts like the fuel injection, spark plugs, radiator (because you can all purchase these things from other small shops and assemble them!) You haven't seen a car sold in a bare configuration, have you?
This isnt a matter of cutting the code yourself to assemble the modules of Windows, any installer (if done correctly) could seamlessly add and remove modules as easy as installing other 3rd part applications (which IE, WMP, MSNMS are anyway!!)
i also do not get why all people are bashing windows. i mean you have the choice to use it or not. if you do not want, then don't (as most of you are doing.) it is not that microsoft is forcing everyone to use windows (because if it is, then all you guys reading this have a windows workstation).
That is right, we do have the right to choose, and most of us have... Microsoft is not forcing us to use its products, as we know there are alternatives, and are willing to work to use those alternatives. However, Microsoft is using tactics that prevent a peon/average user from realising that there are other products, and (to use a rather tired old metaphor) we are much like Morpheous in "The Matrix"... We are helping to free their minds (i warned you it was bad... =P)
as a consumer in part, i paid roughly $80 for an original windows xp home in our country (i really do not get where you get all the price figures).
Over here (Australia) the cheapest I have seen XP home for is about $150 AU (approx. $75 US)
i would also argue in linux, i think if you are to do the same thing, most companies should not include any add-ons installed. so the distribution copy should be the kernel and it alone.
When a Distro is put out, it is (practically) 100% customizable. If you dont want a certain feature, you can just remove it. Take for example (getting a worse, and worse example, but one none-the-less) RedHat on a desktop. If you dont want a browser, email client, news reader, etc. that comes with it - fine. Dont install it. Funny how M$ doesnt give you the option of saying "Do not install IE6" in the XP install... (Infact, does XP give you ANY options in the XP install!?!?!?)
I would try it right now, but this isnt my computer, and so I'm not stupid enough to risk it... And even if it DOES delete, try rebooting... Im sure your Windows partition wont like you after that...
Sure - IE, MSN, WMP, CAN be removed, but the average peon doesnt understand that you can do it, and hence, wont know to delete the cache first... That is the main problem with some of the/. community (and no, im not pointing the finger at you:P).. they dont realise that not every computer user is as competent as they are... ive seen kids entering the first year of the CCNA course who have asked what version of Windows is called Linux, or "what is that stupid skin for Windows XP?" (when I was using the console... WHAT THE HELL!?!?!?!) Kids who looked at Mozilla and asked where I got the skin for IE, or if it was IE6? One kid even told the instructor that a CD was broken, as it didnt automatically start when you put it in the drive!!!
The moral of this long winded story : Yes, you can remove IE, WMP, MSN, etc... But its not easy, and the average shmuck/peon hasnt got a clue where to start...
I havent done it, as I am a student, and my class mate would most likely have a whine at me for doing it, and my CISCO teacher (the Net Admin) will complain at me if I dont do my CISCO during CISCO... Despite the fact that whenever the Linux box needs something done to it, he instantly asks me, and then yells at me later for not doing CISCO...
Our Net Admin is run of his feet with the 2K server that doesnt work, and profiles that dont work. And resetting the passwords for idiotic students who fail to listen to a week long of daily notices saying "All accounts have been reset on the network, please use your login name as usual and password as password for your first login, where you will then be asked to change it".
Our Techo only comes in one day a week and even with his [sarcasm] oh so brilliant MCSE [/sarcasm] is having trouble with the 2K server, and the NT4 machines arround the school.
But now that I know of it, I will do it at lunch... Thankyou...
These are my excuses, and I am sticking to them =P
I know at one stage (not sure if it was continued to production) that XP would put any and all DLLs a third party program installed and regardless of where the installer asked for them to go, put them in the Program's directory. Consequenially, this meant that you could, and quite often would have 5 or so copies of DLLs if you had a few programs that used that 3rd party DLL, as each program installed their own.
Doesnt this defeat the original purpose of DLL's??? Oh wait.. They're Dynamic Link Libraries... Nowhere does it say they have to be used as re-usable Libraries. Sorry, my bad...
Can anyone tell me if this is still the case in the current official XP releases???
If I have another browser installed, why the heck would I want an extra 50+MB of space taken up on IE??
If I install another IM system, I dont want the OS nagging me to get.NET, or have more hard disk space taken up by MSN Messenger which I dont use...
If I install another Media Player, I dont want to have to have yet more hard disk space wasted because some if I try to remove WPM I get.DLL failures, etc...
The reason there is all the bitching is because if you dont want to use M$ products, you whould not have to have them on your system!
It is like Ford saying "Here's your new car, it comes with tires, but if you want another brand of tires, you still have to keep these four tires in your car otherwise it wont work..."
Its just stupid, pointless and, frankly, quite childish to prevent users from removing IE, WMP, MSN Messenger, etc. from their systems if they dont want to use it.
Take for instance my school. We have, for trials, migrated 2 workstations over from NT4 to WinXP in our CISCO lab. It comes with.NET Messenger (MSN Messenger), we cannot work out any way to remove this, and every day, we find some shmuck trying to use it. Why is it that we are unable to remove it? Is it a crucial part of the NT5 kernel??? Would XP cease to work without it??? NO! It is just bloat and pointless waste of space, and time.
So this is not just Anti-M$ bitching just for the sake of bitching. This is about M$ forcing its aplications down the throats of people who dont want it. Not everyone has a 40GB HDD, and why should we be forced to endure the waste of space and bloat of aplications we dont use???
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I thought the Russians did that in the 70's???
:P
Or was that also a hoax???
*grins evily and starts to dodge the spot fires*
urm... i think he meant time wise... maybe... im not sure tho... i could be wrong...
To produce enough energy, we would need a hell-of-a-lot of satellites...
:P) which will normally burn up, so we dont notice them... However, these satellites would be exposed to these missiles, and we would be constantly repairing them...
ever gone outside at night??? notice those bright shooting things that fly across the sky???
the earth is constantly being bombarded by (often small) pieces of rock, matter and other c**p (MIR!?!?
Windows IS modularised, but instead of modularising the code in nice small bundles (eg. functions and routines, etc.) it uses whole aplications as modules??? (eg. OLE (???) or WMP in IE, etc)
Take for instance my school. We have, for trials, migrated 2 workstations over from NT4 to WinXP in our CISCO lab. It comes with .NET Messenger (MSN Messenger), we cannot work out any way to remove this, and every day, we find some shmuck trying to use it. Why is it that we are unable to remove it? Is it a crucial part of the NT5 kernel??? Would XP cease to work without it??? NO! It is just bloat and pointless waste of space, and time.
well in our network, we have disabled windows messenger of the workstations. and we are able to fully control all computer systems restricting one's access to certain apps and avoiding messing up with the computer. everything is done without installing any 3rd party software. just the policy settings.
That is what ours should do... However a nice virus through the network doesnt help policies... I wish ours DID do that...and if you think that having all of those software takes up harddrive space. i bet your collection of mp3 and other files is 100000x more than a simple 4MB installation file. with the 160gb hdd on the horizon and a hdd with the smallest 20gb in the market, what do you do with all the space (other than storing those mp3 files in it?)
For your info, my MP3 collection is probably about 1.5Gig... Nothing to write home about... The main difference is where my 1.5Gig of MP3s I listen to and use, whereas IE, WMP, etc. I _NEVER_ use... And as for IE5.5, its installer to Download (so most probably compressed) for most (not even all!) of the modules is about 30-50Mb!!! And that is probably compressed... So thats atleast 50Mb that is wasted... I may as well just mark the clusters as bad on the hard disk and be done with it... (I had to download it when I was using W95 by the way... So I havent downloaded it recently... I dread to think of the size of IE6!) Also, I still use a 3GB drive to accompany my 40 GB HDD. There are alot of people out there who simply do not have a 2Ghz P4 with a 80GB HDD. Most workstations at my school have only 4GB or (in some cases) 2GB HDDs... Its simply not a good argument to say "We have 160GB, LETS FILL IT!!!". If there was a court for programs, Im sure that would come under the charge of "Gross Abuse of Hardware" =Phowever, have you ever thought that you bought a car without any parts in it. meaning because you can "rebrand a car" this means that I can sell one without tires (and you will be the one to choose) or i sell you without any parts like the fuel injection, spark plugs, radiator (because you can all purchase these things from other small shops and assemble them!) You haven't seen a car sold in a bare configuration, have you?
This isnt a matter of cutting the code yourself to assemble the modules of Windows, any installer (if done correctly) could seamlessly add and remove modules as easy as installing other 3rd part applications (which IE, WMP, MSNMS are anyway!!)i also do not get why all people are bashing windows. i mean you have the choice to use it or not. if you do not want, then don't (as most of you are doing.) it is not that microsoft is forcing everyone to use windows (because if it is, then all you guys reading this have a windows workstation).
That is right, we do have the right to choose, and most of us have... Microsoft is not forcing us to use its products, as we know there are alternatives, and are willing to work to use those alternatives. However, Microsoft is using tactics that prevent a peon/average user from realising that there are other products, and (to use a rather tired old metaphor) we are much like Morpheous in "The Matrix"... We are helping to free their minds (i warned you it was bad... =P)as a consumer in part, i paid roughly $80 for an original windows xp home in our country (i really do not get where you get all the price figures).
Over here (Australia) the cheapest I have seen XP home for is about $150 AU (approx. $75 US)i would also argue in linux, i think if you are to do the same thing, most companies should not include any add-ons installed. so the distribution copy should be the kernel and it alone.
When a Distro is put out, it is (practically) 100% customizable. If you dont want a certain feature, you can just remove it. Take for example (getting a worse, and worse example, but one none-the-less) RedHat on a desktop. If you dont want a browser, email client, news reader, etc. that comes with it - fine. Dont install it. Funny how M$ doesnt give you the option of saying "Do not install IE6" in the XP install... (Infact, does XP give you ANY options in the XP install!?!?!?)I would try it right now, but this isnt my computer, and so I'm not stupid enough to risk it... And even if it DOES delete, try rebooting... Im sure your Windows partition wont like you after that... Sure - IE, MSN, WMP, CAN be removed, but the average peon doesnt understand that you can do it, and hence, wont know to delete the cache first... That is the main problem with some of the /. community (and no, im not pointing the finger at you :P).. they dont realise that not every computer user is as competent as they are... ive seen kids entering the first year of the CCNA course who have asked what version of Windows is called Linux, or "what is that stupid skin for Windows XP?" (when I was using the console... WHAT THE HELL!?!?!?!) Kids who looked at Mozilla and asked where I got the skin for IE, or if it was IE6? One kid even told the instructor that a CD was broken, as it didnt automatically start when you put it in the drive!!!
The moral of this long winded story : Yes, you can remove IE, WMP, MSN, etc... But its not easy, and the average shmuck/peon hasnt got a clue where to start...
I havent done it, as I am a student, and my class mate would most likely have a whine at me for doing it, and my CISCO teacher (the Net Admin) will complain at me if I dont do my CISCO during CISCO... Despite the fact that whenever the Linux box needs something done to it, he instantly asks me, and then yells at me later for not doing CISCO... Our Net Admin is run of his feet with the 2K server that doesnt work, and profiles that dont work. And resetting the passwords for idiotic students who fail to listen to a week long of daily notices saying "All accounts have been reset on the network, please use your login name as usual and password as password for your first login, where you will then be asked to change it". Our Techo only comes in one day a week and even with his [sarcasm] oh so brilliant MCSE [/sarcasm] is having trouble with the 2K server, and the NT4 machines arround the school. But now that I know of it, I will do it at lunch... Thankyou... These are my excuses, and I am sticking to them =P
I know at one stage (not sure if it was continued to production) that XP would put any and all DLLs a third party program installed and regardless of where the installer asked for them to go, put them in the Program's directory. Consequenially, this meant that you could, and quite often would have 5 or so copies of DLLs if you had a few programs that used that 3rd party DLL, as each program installed their own. Doesnt this defeat the original purpose of DLL's??? Oh wait.. They're Dynamic Link Libraries... Nowhere does it say they have to be used as re-usable Libraries. Sorry, my bad... Can anyone tell me if this is still the case in the current official XP releases???
Disk space and bloat...
.NET, or have more hard disk space taken up by MSN Messenger which I dont use...
.DLL failures, etc...
.NET Messenger (MSN Messenger), we cannot work out any way to remove this, and every day, we find some shmuck trying to use it. Why is it that we are unable to remove it? Is it a crucial part of the NT5 kernel??? Would XP cease to work without it??? NO! It is just bloat and pointless waste of space, and time.
If I have another browser installed, why the heck would I want an extra 50+MB of space taken up on IE??
If I install another IM system, I dont want the OS nagging me to get
If I install another Media Player, I dont want to have to have yet more hard disk space wasted because some if I try to remove WPM I get
The reason there is all the bitching is because if you dont want to use M$ products, you whould not have to have them on your system!
It is like Ford saying "Here's your new car, it comes with tires, but if you want another brand of tires, you still have to keep these four tires in your car otherwise it wont work..."
Its just stupid, pointless and, frankly, quite childish to prevent users from removing IE, WMP, MSN Messenger, etc. from their systems if they dont want to use it.
Take for instance my school. We have, for trials, migrated 2 workstations over from NT4 to WinXP in our CISCO lab. It comes with
So this is not just Anti-M$ bitching just for the sake of bitching. This is about M$ forcing its aplications down the throats of people who dont want it. Not everyone has a 40GB HDD, and why should we be forced to endure the waste of space and bloat of aplications we dont use???