They might not be telling, but I think we can fairly safely assume that they know.
Given that part of this case is about the validity of the GPL, it seems inconceivable to me that they wouldn't want to call it's author to the stand.
Also, they're probably assuming that these people will be testifying on IBM's behalf, so it makes sense to get an idea of exactly what they're going to say before they appear in court.
Dubya: Jeb? Boy? Ah say, is that you, boy? I've got a little job for you.
I'm putting you in charge of the acquistition of voting software for the presidential election...
Yeah, that's right, just like last time. Use, ah say, use the same shell companies and cut outs that we used last time around. Well, not exactly the same companies, but you know the score...
Yeah, I've found a little company called MicroVote who can handle our problem... Sure, it's a mighty fine product. Reliable as all get-go...
No, not Microsoft, Micro, ah say MicroVote.. Yeah, it is a shame because Bill owes us a few favours, but son, it's still a decent investment if you get my meaning...
By the way, bro' how are the kids doing? I hear that Noelle is hanging out with Darl McBride thesee days. He's a smart guy that Darl. A little like our old buddy, Ken Lay. He's made us a few bucks through the blind family trust.
That's right, he's got little Davie Boies on the leash for him. Nice guy, Davie. Knows how to keep everyone sweet. Anyway, they've been taking IBM to the cleaners with a quasi-legal variant of the Big Store routine...
Yeah, we bought SCO at 5c a share, and we've just cashed out at $15. I can get you in now if you like? There's probably a good few years left in this one, if what McBride tells me is true, and I have no reason to doubt him. Noelle could do a damn sight worse when it comes to finding a husband...
This could be the beginning of the end of all of her problems, and the start of a flourishing business career -- somewhat like my own, in fact. You remember I used to have a taste for the white powders before I decided money and power was more important, right?
Anyway, ah say, anyway, can I leave that in your capable hands? I just knew I could. Y'awll come see me real soon now, hear?
Media corporations, Wall Street, politicians, non-profit administrators, millions of employees of propietary software companies, advertising firms, patent attorneys, retirees, investment bankers, venture capitolists and intelligence agencies dislike Open Source and Free Software as much as anyone in Redmond.
What is the Lanham Act anyway? I find two references to it at law.cornell.edu but the links don't point to the actual part of US law that they affect.
I'm English and even *I* know what the Lanham Act is. (Or think I do, anyway.)
The Lanham Act is a law that stops businesses unreasonably making allegations that interfere with a competitor's trade. I believe that it forms the basis of part of IBM's countersuit, and also of RedHat's action against SCO.
*Googles to be sure*
OK. It seems that while it's primarily about trademarks, I'm still right. You can find the whole thing here.
He was saying the Debian machine has better games, not XP.
I understood what he was saying, I just thought it was a pretty poor argument.
I'm glad to hear about the Playstation though -- for your daughter's sake. My kids would lynch me if they had to deal with stuff Tux Racer and others of that ilk.
Just like you can kill kernel processes on Linux, right?
It makes some sense that you wouldn't be able to kill a linux kernel process.
However, I don't for the life of me understand why I can't kill a crashed instance of Cubase in Windows 2000.
I assume it has something to do with drivers, because it's invariably software that's talking to my sound card that stops me from killing it after a crash?
I thought this quote from the first of your Groklaw links was interesting:
"One of the best-publicized examples are a series of Linux-based supercomputer clusters used at Los Alamos National Labs. The most recent, Lightning, is used for the Advanced Simulation and Computing program, which is used to design and modify the US nuclear arsenal without requiring test" detonations."
So, can we infer from this that the SCO?Microsoft attacks on Linux are anti-American? Or just an attempt to undermine US national security?
Unless you know everyone in the UK, that's hardly relevent.
Not at all. My point is that while Mac's may be off *his* radar, they aren't off mine. As I said, virtually everyone I know owns one.
I've worked in IT in the UK for many years
Well whoop-de-doo for you.
And they both indicate the Mac's a tiny niche
The sales figures are out there for anyone who can be bothered to check. Macs are about 3% of the market. While as a proportion of all boxes sold, that might not be great, in absolute terms, its a shitload of machines.
Interesting how someone stating facts can annoy the zealots.
It doesn't *annoy* me at all. I was simply making a point about the various niches that you refer to. In my experience, among older professionals working in creative industries, Macs have extremely high market penetration.
Among 16 year old players of Unreal Tournament and Quake, or people who like to cut holes in their PC's and stick whizz-bang lights, nothing less than an Athlon or Pentium will do.
If you read the original poster's post, then your post, who comes over as the fanboy?
Hey, I wasn't accusing anyone of *being* a fanboy, but if the cap fits...
The reasoning behind this ban is extremely simple and not atypical in EU regulation: companies who have a strong market position (e.g. the producer of the world's fastest desktop PC) and are based overseas are subject to more stringent regulation in the EU so that the home grown products do not have to compete on a level playing field.
Uh-huh.
And the fact that European Macs are all manufactured in Ireland impacts on all this how, exactly?
The expose thing is certainly cool and handy when the # of windows is relatively small, but squinting at 10-15 (or more) thumbnailed windows does not seem to be ideal.
I agree that in these circumstances, multiple desktops may be preferable. However, I've avoided using them in the past because I hated having to scroll across three or four desktops to find the document that I was working on.
As a result, I rarely have more than eight or nine windows open at a time, and Expose copes with these fairly effortlessly.
1.) Use your mouse to scroll your browser up to the top of the page.
2.) Click on the link to the article.
3.) Read the article. Failing that, read the title of the story.
Works for me. (Though it doesn't stop me from being modded Off Topic either.)
They've got something that works well for them and they aren't going to mess with it.
They've also learned the lessons of the past. When they allowed a selected few manufacturers to sell cheaper clones that ran MacOS, the experience damn near killed the company. The first thing Jobs did when he went back to Apple was kill the clones.
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Apparently not even SCO knows
They might not be telling, but I think we can fairly safely assume that they know.
Given that part of this case is about the validity of the GPL, it seems inconceivable to me that they wouldn't want to call it's author to the stand.
Also, they're probably assuming that these people will be testifying on IBM's behalf, so it makes sense to get an idea of exactly what they're going to say before they appear in court.
Not that the case will ever get that far, IMO...
Why did you feel the need to follow the link? If you wanted to hear the mp3, why didn't you just save the file to your desktop?
"Looks like somebody needs to re-take Geek 101"
Indeed.
Not quite everybody.
A telephone rings, somewhere in Florida...
Dubya: Jeb? Boy? Ah say, is that you, boy? I've got a little job for you.
I'm putting you in charge of the acquistition of voting software for the presidential election...
Yeah, that's right, just like last time. Use, ah say, use the same shell companies and cut outs that we used last time around. Well, not exactly the same companies, but you know the score...
Yeah, I've found a little company called MicroVote who can handle our problem... Sure, it's a mighty fine product. Reliable as all get-go...
No, not Microsoft, Micro, ah say MicroVote.. Yeah, it is a shame because Bill owes us a few favours, but son, it's still a decent investment if you get my meaning...
By the way, bro' how are the kids doing? I hear that Noelle is hanging out with Darl McBride thesee days. He's a smart guy that Darl. A little like our old buddy, Ken Lay. He's made us a few bucks through the blind family trust.
That's right, he's got little Davie Boies on the leash for him. Nice guy, Davie. Knows how to keep everyone sweet. Anyway, they've been taking IBM to the cleaners with a quasi-legal variant of the Big Store routine...
Yeah, we bought SCO at 5c a share, and we've just cashed out at $15. I can get you in now if you like? There's probably a good few years left in this one, if what McBride tells me is true, and I have no reason to doubt him. Noelle could do a damn sight worse when it comes to finding a husband...
This could be the beginning of the end of all of her problems, and the start of a flourishing business career -- somewhat like my own, in fact. You remember I used to have a taste for the white powders before I decided money and power was more important, right?
Anyway, ah say, anyway, can I leave that in your capable hands? I just knew I could. Y'awll come see me real soon now, hear?
Apple *still* has less than 4% market share
Yeah, but it's the coolest 4%.
Incidentally, what kind of market share does say, Dell have? Or Gateway?
So do you want it like MacOS X or fast? They are mutually exclusive.
Unless you happen to be running Panther, in which case you *can* have both.
Media corporations, Wall Street, politicians, non-profit administrators, millions of employees of propietary software companies, advertising firms, patent attorneys, retirees, investment bankers, venture capitolists and intelligence agencies dislike Open Source and Free Software as much as anyone in Redmond.
Hey, you forgot to mention Slashdot trolls!
This doesn't just apply to IBM and Linux, it also applies to Sun and OpenOffice, and perhaps others as well.
Others that would also include SCO/Caldera.
This is clutching at straws...
IBM isn't just a competitor to MS anymore.
Unless it's escaped your attention, this case is about Linux.
Linux is a very clear competitor to MS - so much so that they identify it as their number one threat.
Unfortunately if the recent past is anything to go by
In the past, investors didn't have the court filings available to them that show just how strong SCO's hand is vis-a-vis IBM.
I'd be truly astonished if any investors were prepared to put significant money into SCO at this point.
Aside from Microsoft, of course.
What is the Lanham Act anyway? I find two references to it at law.cornell.edu but the links don't point to the actual part of US law that they affect.
I'm English and even *I* know what the Lanham Act is. (Or think I do, anyway.)
The Lanham Act is a law that stops businesses unreasonably making allegations that interfere with a competitor's trade. I believe that it forms the basis of part of IBM's countersuit, and also of RedHat's action against SCO.
*Googles to be sure*
OK. It seems that while it's primarily about trademarks, I'm still right. You can find the whole thing here.
I'm going to enjoy them
Heh. I just did. It seems he's a troll with a super-sekrit mission. A real man of destiny...
Perhaps he thinks if he trolls hard enough, Bill Gates will bless his efforts with dollar bills?
He was saying the Debian machine has better games, not XP.
I understood what he was saying, I just thought it was a pretty poor argument.
I'm glad to hear about the Playstation though -- for your daughter's sake. My kids would lynch me if they had to deal with stuff Tux Racer and others of that ilk.
Just like you can kill kernel processes on Linux, right?
It makes some sense that you wouldn't be able to kill a linux kernel process.
However, I don't for the life of me understand why I can't kill a crashed instance of Cubase in Windows 2000.
I assume it has something to do with drivers, because it's invariably software that's talking to my sound card that stops me from killing it after a crash?
most users dont like windows. people need to accept that.
If most people didn't like Windows, they wouldn't need to accept it at all, because they'd already know they didn't like it.
The fact that you're arguing that people do need to accept it seems to imply precisely the opposite.
She prefers it to windows xp because "it has better games"
Better games? Better games?
Go out and buy her some commercial games, you old cheapskate. Expecting a seven year old to be happy with just Solitaire verges on the abusive.
There are also weird words
Sure, but we can start on the easy ones first, and then work our way up to the exceptions.
He is a theif.
Repeat after me:
"i before e, except after c"
He deserves to be in jail.
Not while such crimes against spelling and grammar continue to go unpunished.
Unless you know everyone in the UK, that's hardly relevent.
Not at all. My point is that while Mac's may be off *his* radar, they aren't off mine. As I said, virtually everyone I know owns one.
I've worked in IT in the UK for many years
Well whoop-de-doo for you.
And they both indicate the Mac's a tiny niche
The sales figures are out there for anyone who can be bothered to check. Macs are about 3% of the market. While as a proportion of all boxes sold, that might not be great, in absolute terms, its a shitload of machines.
Interesting how someone stating facts can annoy the zealots.
It doesn't *annoy* me at all. I was simply making a point about the various niches that you refer to. In my experience, among older professionals working in creative industries, Macs have extremely high market penetration.
Among 16 year old players of Unreal Tournament and Quake, or people who like to cut holes in their PC's and stick whizz-bang lights, nothing less than an Athlon or Pentium will do.
If you read the original poster's post, then your post, who comes over as the fanboy?
Hey, I wasn't accusing anyone of *being* a fanboy, but if the cap fits...
From what to what?
From what they were last year, to what they are now.
The reasoning behind this ban is extremely simple and not atypical in EU regulation: companies who have a strong market position (e.g. the producer of the world's fastest desktop PC) and are based overseas are subject to more stringent regulation in the EU so that the home grown products do not have to compete on a level playing field.
Uh-huh.
And the fact that European Macs are all manufactured in Ireland impacts on all this how, exactly?
The Mac here in the UK is practically non-existant as far as the market-place goes.
That's strange, because literally everyone that I know who owns a computer uses a Mac.
It's pretty much off the radar.
For sixteen year old fanboys, I'm sure that's true.
The expose thing is certainly cool and handy when the # of windows is relatively small, but squinting at 10-15 (or more) thumbnailed windows does not seem to be ideal.
I agree that in these circumstances, multiple desktops may be preferable. However, I've avoided using them in the past because I hated having to scroll across three or four desktops to find the document that I was working on.
As a result, I rarely have more than eight or nine windows open at a time, and Expose copes with these fairly effortlessly.
Not sure how this was off-topic
Here's a clue:
1.) Use your mouse to scroll your browser up to the top of the page.
2.) Click on the link to the article.
3.) Read the article. Failing that, read the title of the story.
Works for me. (Though it doesn't stop me from being modded Off Topic either.)
They've got something that works well for them and they aren't going to mess with it.
They've also learned the lessons of the past. When they allowed a selected few manufacturers to sell cheaper clones that ran MacOS, the experience damn near killed the company. The first thing Jobs did when he went back to Apple was kill the clones.
Don't expect to see OSX on x86 any time soon.