It's what you do that where you end up in the statistics depends upon. As for slaves, I watch people play Super Mario Maker for entertainment, so one could argue they are my slaves in this bargain, but they seem to be entertaining themselves doing it. Things are not as simple as you suggest. I am depressed though and have other medical issues, so the doctors are my slaves, I guess? On being depressed, once I get that addressed I will be more productive on my GitHub repositories. If anyone makes use of them, does that make me their slave?
Asking a question is a poor way to make a point. And your question was wouldn't they have no reason to exist, not wouldn't they have no way to provide for their existence or some such.
No one is arguing that automation isn't the route to increased standard of living. The question is how to get that increased standard to all takers. Overall productivity has increased, but not everyone has experienced this increased productivity. Overall compensation may have increased but for many, compensation has decreased.
Global warming is another example of bad analysis of statistics. From my experience summer hasn't been all that much warmer, but we have been having mild winters and the less observant among us saw a small amount of exceptionally harsh weather as contradicting global warming.
I don't care what's fair. I want people to get as much good as possible. When you start asking questions about what is fair and what is equal, you pull people down, not raise them up.
Some worldwide employment measure. I don't know that the figure exists, nor am I confident in existing measuring methods, but I'll take what I can get as having potential for being better than nothing, but the more evidence to that fact, the better.
Sure money is a unit of measurement, but I have yet to see an analysis that what it measures is what anyone thinks it is measuring or that what it is measuring is the right thing to measure.
You made the point that "unemployment is low". I'm not sure what "low" is, so I depended on the articles to express some indication. The articles seem to indicate that unemployment isn't low. Furthermore, US unemployment is insufficient to determine whether there is a worldwide shortage of work, especially since Trump is doing things to make the US more attractive for businesses to employ people here as opposed to elsewhere.
No, I haven't. Key words are improper advantage, and keen. Business people in general have to compete with other businesses. If the costs are the same, they have no complaints with things like Trump's tariffs that make the labor in other countries more expensive. There is an article about the GoDaddy CEO saying that the American education system isn't up to snuff, so he needs H1B visa people. He is not most business people. If he gets his way, other business people will follow suit, but they aren't all fired up about him getting his way and wouldn't mind fixing the system and getting Americans up to snuff. https://slashdot.org/submissio...
Most business folk are not the ones most keen to take improper advantage of people. Sure they make a business decision to move where the labor is cheaper, but what Trump is doing with Tariffs and such is no real skin off their nose, just telling them where it is most economical to redeploy. When my brother was in the military he sold books online that were discarded by other military people as they were deployed elsewhere. It bothered him not at all to completely refund someone who was not satisfied with a book's condition. My brother's LinkedIn page: https://www.linkedin.com/in/oc...
Those things are done on a much smaller scale than a proper UBI system would do. I don't believe that people should be treated equally. It has the same problems as attempting to decide who is worthy of support. One idea is that there should be plenty of opportunities for people to create their own inequalities. Getting ahead is becoming unequal.
Striving for equality results in people not getting what they could have because it results in inequality. Resources get squandered.
I believe that we are currently measuring the wrong things. In transitioning to a new economic reality, we have the opportunity to start measuring the right things, but we still need to figure out what those are.
The problem is as I said above. How do we measure the economy of any of this? The current system has money be the measure. It's nowhere near perfect, but once you start giving money out, it seems to me that something is going unmeasured.
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You seem to have a different subtext of the word reason then.
It doesn't make sense to measure work like that. Currently work is measured by how much money someone will pay for it.
No, I don't know after Katrina. As far as I know you're just making stuff up.
I don't have an all-seeing eye like you apparently do so what are the effects and how destructive are they?
It's what you do that where you end up in the statistics depends upon. As for slaves, I watch people play Super Mario Maker for entertainment, so one could argue they are my slaves in this bargain, but they seem to be entertaining themselves doing it. Things are not as simple as you suggest. I am depressed though and have other medical issues, so the doctors are my slaves, I guess? On being depressed, once I get that addressed I will be more productive on my GitHub repositories. If anyone makes use of them, does that make me their slave?
Alright then, what was it you were attempting to cast doubt on?
Asking a question is a poor way to make a point. And your question was wouldn't they have no reason to exist, not wouldn't they have no way to provide for their existence or some such.
No one is arguing that automation isn't the route to increased standard of living. The question is how to get that increased standard to all takers. Overall productivity has increased, but not everyone has experienced this increased productivity. Overall compensation may have increased but for many, compensation has decreased.
Global warming is another example of bad analysis of statistics. From my experience summer hasn't been all that much warmer, but we have been having mild winters and the less observant among us saw a small amount of exceptionally harsh weather as contradicting global warming.
I don't care what's fair. I want people to get as much good as possible. When you start asking questions about what is fair and what is equal, you pull people down, not raise them up.
There are people however that do need other people to give them a reason to exist. I will feed off them.
I determine for myself my reason to exist. https://www.youtube.com/result...
Some worldwide employment measure. I don't know that the figure exists, nor am I confident in existing measuring methods, but I'll take what I can get as having potential for being better than nothing, but the more evidence to that fact, the better.
Sure money is a unit of measurement, but I have yet to see an analysis that what it measures is what anyone thinks it is measuring or that what it is measuring is the right thing to measure.
You made the point that "unemployment is low". I'm not sure what "low" is, so I depended on the articles to express some indication. The articles seem to indicate that unemployment isn't low. Furthermore, US unemployment is insufficient to determine whether there is a worldwide shortage of work, especially since Trump is doing things to make the US more attractive for businesses to employ people here as opposed to elsewhere.
The problem is that there are a lot of talking rocks. This problem is what makes any given talking rock news.
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The first link is to: http://unemploymentdata.com/cu... which links to: http://unemploymentdata.com/un... which says "I find it hard to believe that we are at full employment." Also these are apparently U.S. figures and not worldwide figures.
No, I haven't. Key words are improper advantage, and keen. Business people in general have to compete with other businesses. If the costs are the same, they have no complaints with things like Trump's tariffs that make the labor in other countries more expensive. There is an article about the GoDaddy CEO saying that the American education system isn't up to snuff, so he needs H1B visa people. He is not most business people. If he gets his way, other business people will follow suit, but they aren't all fired up about him getting his way and wouldn't mind fixing the system and getting Americans up to snuff.
https://slashdot.org/submissio...
What figures are you using? Worldwide? Are the jobs as good now as the jobs that used to be around? My mom is a 64 year old Uber driver.
Not an argument.
Most business folk are not the ones most keen to take improper advantage of people. Sure they make a business decision to move where the labor is cheaper, but what Trump is doing with Tariffs and such is no real skin off their nose, just telling them where it is most economical to redeploy. When my brother was in the military he sold books online that were discarded by other military people as they were deployed elsewhere. It bothered him not at all to completely refund someone who was not satisfied with a book's condition. My brother's LinkedIn page: https://www.linkedin.com/in/oc...
Universal Anarchists are the far Right, from what I can figure.
With no real content to add. If you really had any evidence to what you say, you would say more than what amounts to, "Uhn Uh, you're wrong,"
Those things are done on a much smaller scale than a proper UBI system would do. I don't believe that people should be treated equally. It has the same problems as attempting to decide who is worthy of support. One idea is that there should be plenty of opportunities for people to create their own inequalities. Getting ahead is becoming unequal.
Striving for equality results in people not getting what they could have because it results in inequality. Resources get squandered.
I believe that we are currently measuring the wrong things. In transitioning to a new economic reality, we have the opportunity to start measuring the right things, but we still need to figure out what those are.
So, similar to the first part of Tim Minchin's "Cont(ext)": https://www.youtube.com/result...
The problem is as I said above. How do we measure the economy of any of this? The current system has money be the measure. It's nowhere near perfect, but once you start giving money out, it seems to me that something is going unmeasured.