Linux community downhill fast? Socially speaking it was a matter of time once Boot magazine stuck a distro on one of their discs saying Linux was for 'rebels.'
What I was implying?
Not that use of something other than Debian is hypocricy. It's cool among all the little trendoids to dis Red Hat for everything from deliberately breaking KDE to make GNOME look good to 'trying to make Linux like Windows', and after a while, no matter how much you know better, you get sick of hearing about it from the little nits.
Where's that put our erstwhile Commander? About where he might as well be. Now that he's free of the taint of Red Hat, he'll have no compulsion against running every moronic screed that comes across his screen, provided it's written by either a.) a Linux rock star or b.) another clown who thinks his writing style is scholarly and insightful when it's really just half-assed conjecture that could just as easily support the claim that Linus is a Venusian sent to usher in the new millenium with alien crash-proofing technology.
I'm sure Mr. Malda is a nice guy, but I suspect his capacity for critical reading is minimal, and if I had to accuse him of anything, it would be 'being impressionable.' To get back to what I was implying, I suppose I should have said something like:
I'm sure he's been getting crap like this for a long time now. I'm also sure that since he's human, and since among Linux geeks an attack on one's distro is a smudge upon one's very escutcheon, he's been unwilling to post stories about how the distribution he relies on to work sucks and is evil and doesn't care about the users and is just like Microsoft and blah blah god-damn blah. Now, continuing on with my flashback to what I should have said he doesn't run Red Hat. He runs Debian. The crap about Red Hat continues to pump from the keyboards of the distro poseurs and pseudo-scholars with their paranoid and delusional tongue gnawings, and it continues to show up in the submission bin. But Mr. Malda doesn't need to worry about that anymore. He is a Debian man now. And he owes it to the community to let us all know what people are saying out there.
High user number to the contrary, I remember an earlier time as well. It doesn't matter and there's no going back. Demented people are afoot, clutching their tattered self-images to their breasts, hoping a fucking operating system, of all things, will serve to define them in the face of a world of people who (revelation time for someone out there) don't give a damn about their preferences in computer tools. In the 'good old days,' all you had to say was 'I run Linux.'
Lots of people would squirm and think of other things they had to do, but by God, a Linux man was a Linux man.
Sadly, that time has passed. It just isn't good enough to be a Linux man because there are too damned many of them. How to differentiate ourselves? Well... the next logical step is the distro. And after that... the desktop environment. And on, and on, and on.
-Insinkerator
The sig is sarcasm, by the way, in case you missed that the first time.
I think Malda should investgate his subjective motives here -- perhaps he's pissed that for regulatory reasons RH needs to excise references to itself in its Slashdot links?
No. He recently moved to Debian on the server, so now he doesn't feel like a hypocrite.
Redhat/Bob Young is not Satan, nor is Redhat about to attempt to enslave us
[takes long bong hit]
No way man... don't you get it? Don't you see!? Red Hat already has enslaved us, dude!
[coughs, pounds chest]
See... in conjunction with the Bilderbergers and a dodecalateral cabal of moneyed interests working both in and outside of the Bretton Woods Compound (Antarctica... I've got photos), Red Hat built stuff into their install program. It doesn't use X because they can't get the same speed to hide the messages. And the messages are where it's at. KDE was deliberately broken to hide the messages.
[Second bong hit... more coughing...]
See, the message is the circle. And the circle is around the hat. We make the circle and the hat. Red? Stalin, dude. Hat? Circle... enclosed... imprisoned... enslaved.
See?
Raster just realized what was going on and got out. Too late, though. Red Hat's built incompatibilities that will cause Enlightenment to crash whenever you open an xterm so we'll be forced to use the GUI. Get it, man?
Once we're all GUI slaves, Red Hat turns us over to Microsoft. And we get enslaved by Sasquatch slavers from beyond the stars, taking their marching orders from Ramtha.
or does redhat 6 prevent ppl from switching WM's ?
Why yes, as a matter of fact, it does. It's horrible. Here's what happens:
You install Red Hat. You configure X. You use X, grumbling that you are forced to use only GNOME or (courtesy of another moron on Slashdot recently) a deliberately broken KDE.
As time goes by, you begin to notice something strange:
Windows you used to use a lot start getting the word 'My' appended to them... the solitaire that shipped with GNOME grows a 'Vegas Style' option... vi is replaced by edit... insipid screens tell you when it's ok to shut off the computer... any pixmaps of Tux on your system start morphing into a strangely familiar middle-aged looking guy with round glasses. When you test the sound configuration, instead of "Hello, this is Linus Torvalds, and I pronounce Linux... Linux" you get "Hello, this is Bill, Linus sucks dicks in hell."
One night, you go to sleep, troubled that your computer isn't working so well. As you sleep, a sleeper cron job fires up and dials Redmond. Linux is silently expunged from your hard drive, and the next morning you wake up to the Microsoft window banner on your screen.
In the distance, you think you hear Bob Young cackling as he orders a hit squad to find Raster, sleeping in his car somewhere on the Cali/Nevada line, and do him in before he can EXPOSE RED HAT AS A TOOL OF MICROSOFT!
Probably sounds plausible to you, doesn't it, you little nit?
It showed that as a company they care little about experimentation, innovation, or fiddling with the unknown that might improve Linux.
Puh-leaze!
It showed, if anything, that Red Hat has one dick manager Raster couldn't get along with. Have you worked a single day in the real world? Or are you sealed in some hermetic chamber that keeps all the bad people out?
People need to get some perspective.
Raster might be a fine programmer. Don't know, myself. Haven't looked at his code, wouldn't know much of what I was looking at. But he's one person who had a problem with one other person in a company.
To read the posts under this story, you'd think Raster had been staked to an anthill while Bob Young waved fists of money in his face and sodomized a blow up Linus doll to the cheers of blood-crazed GNOME partisans.
...the horrible 'instability' present in Red Hat... and the 'needs' you have (other than the ability to cuddle up to the usual Red Hat hating gang of poseurs.
p.s. I hate Slackware.
p.p.s. All those pesky questions Debian asks you are good for you. Maybe once you've figured out how your computer works, you'll be able to answer them.
p.p.p.s Nice comeback. Made Unca Insinkerator mist up a little.
I tried Red Hat, found it too unstable for my needs, and switched to (eventually) SUSE.
And tell us, Master Linuxian, can you spell out these instabilities? Or what your high-octane needs are?
Or is this just another distro poseur who realized Slack or Debian was out of his league?
My guess?
JADP who screwed up his Red Hat box beyond all comprehension, freaked, and decided to buy something in shrinkwrap, but not before lurking around enough other distro poseurs to figure out which one would let him keep a little cred but still get his hand held.
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Linux community downhill fast? Socially speaking it was a matter of time once Boot magazine stuck a distro on one of their discs saying Linux was for 'rebels.'
What I was implying?
Not that use of something other than Debian is hypocricy. It's cool among all the little trendoids to dis Red Hat for everything from deliberately breaking KDE to make GNOME look good to 'trying to make Linux like Windows', and after a while, no matter how much you know better, you get sick of hearing about it from the little nits.
Where's that put our erstwhile Commander? About where he might as well be. Now that he's free of the taint of Red Hat, he'll have no compulsion against running every moronic screed that comes across his screen, provided it's written by either a.) a Linux rock star or b.) another clown who thinks his writing style is scholarly and insightful when it's really just half-assed conjecture that could just as easily support the claim that Linus is a Venusian sent to usher in the new millenium with alien crash-proofing technology.
I'm sure Mr. Malda is a nice guy, but I suspect his capacity for critical reading is minimal, and if I had to accuse him of anything, it would be 'being impressionable.' To get back to what I was implying, I suppose I should have said something like:
I'm sure he's been getting crap like this for a long time now. I'm also sure that since he's human, and since among Linux geeks an attack on one's distro is a smudge upon one's very escutcheon, he's been unwilling to post stories about how the distribution he relies on to work sucks and is evil and doesn't care about the users and is just like Microsoft and blah blah god-damn blah. Now, continuing on with my flashback to what I should have said he doesn't run Red Hat. He runs Debian. The crap about Red Hat continues to pump from the keyboards of the distro poseurs and pseudo-scholars with their paranoid and delusional tongue gnawings, and it continues to show up in the submission bin. But Mr. Malda doesn't need to worry about that anymore. He is a Debian man now. And he owes it to the community to let us all know what people are saying out there.
High user number to the contrary, I remember an earlier time as well. It doesn't matter and there's no going back. Demented people are afoot, clutching their tattered self-images to their breasts, hoping a fucking operating system, of all things, will serve to define them in the face of a world of people who (revelation time for someone out there) don't give a damn about their preferences in computer tools. In the 'good old days,' all you had to say was 'I run Linux.'
Lots of people would squirm and think of other things they had to do, but by God, a Linux man was a Linux man.
Sadly, that time has passed. It just isn't good enough to be a Linux man because there are too damned many of them. How to differentiate ourselves? Well... the next logical step is the distro. And after that... the desktop environment. And on, and on, and on.
-Insinkerator
The sig is sarcasm, by the way, in case you missed that the first time.
No. He recently moved to Debian on the server, so now he doesn't feel like a hypocrite.
[takes long bong hit]
No way man... don't you get it? Don't you see!? Red Hat already has enslaved us, dude!
[coughs, pounds chest]
See... in conjunction with the Bilderbergers and a dodecalateral cabal of moneyed interests working both in and outside of the Bretton Woods Compound (Antarctica... I've got photos), Red Hat built stuff into their install program. It doesn't use X because they can't get the same speed to hide the messages. And the messages are where it's at. KDE was deliberately broken to hide the messages.
[Second bong hit... more coughing...]
See, the message is the circle. And the circle is around the hat. We make the circle and the hat. Red? Stalin, dude. Hat? Circle... enclosed... imprisoned... enslaved.
See?
Raster just realized what was going on and got out. Too late, though. Red Hat's built incompatibilities that will cause Enlightenment to crash whenever you open an xterm so we'll be forced to use the GUI. Get it, man?
Once we're all GUI slaves, Red Hat turns us over to Microsoft. And we get enslaved by Sasquatch slavers from beyond the stars, taking their marching orders from Ramtha.
Totally.
[falls asleep face down in beanbag chair]
Why yes, as a matter of fact, it does. It's horrible. Here's what happens:
You install Red Hat. You configure X. You use X, grumbling that you are forced to use only GNOME or (courtesy of another moron on Slashdot recently) a deliberately broken KDE.
As time goes by, you begin to notice something strange:
Windows you used to use a lot start getting the word 'My' appended to them... the solitaire that shipped with GNOME grows a 'Vegas Style' option... vi is replaced by edit... insipid screens tell you when it's ok to shut off the computer... any pixmaps of Tux on your system start morphing into a strangely familiar middle-aged looking guy with round glasses. When you test the sound configuration, instead of "Hello, this is Linus Torvalds, and I pronounce Linux ... Linux" you get "Hello, this is Bill, Linus sucks dicks in hell."
One night, you go to sleep, troubled that your computer isn't working so well. As you sleep, a sleeper cron job fires up and dials Redmond. Linux is silently expunged from your hard drive, and the next morning you wake up to the Microsoft window banner on your screen.
In the distance, you think you hear Bob Young cackling as he orders a hit squad to find Raster, sleeping in his car somewhere on the Cali/Nevada line, and do him in before he can EXPOSE RED HAT AS A TOOL OF MICROSOFT!
Probably sounds plausible to you, doesn't it, you little nit?
Puh-leaze!
It showed, if anything, that Red Hat has one dick manager Raster couldn't get along with. Have you worked a single day in the real world? Or are you sealed in some hermetic chamber that keeps all the bad people out?
People need to get some perspective.
Raster might be a fine programmer. Don't know, myself. Haven't looked at his code, wouldn't know much of what I was looking at. But he's one person who had a problem with one other person in a company.
To read the posts under this story, you'd think Raster had been staked to an anthill while Bob Young waved fists of money in his face and sodomized a blow up Linus doll to the cheers of blood-crazed GNOME partisans.
God almighty.
p.s. I hate Slackware.
p.p.s. All those pesky questions Debian asks you are good for you. Maybe once you've figured out how your computer works, you'll be able to answer them.
p.p.p.s Nice comeback. Made Unca Insinkerator mist up a little.
And tell us, Master Linuxian, can you spell out these instabilities? Or what your high-octane needs are?
Or is this just another distro poseur who realized Slack or Debian was out of his league?
My guess?
JADP who screwed up his Red Hat box beyond all comprehension, freaked, and decided to buy something in shrinkwrap, but not before lurking around enough other distro poseurs to figure out which one would let him keep a little cred but still get his hand held.