Anyone know how easy/hard it would be to make Qt/KDE or Gtk/GNOME use this for the display of the whole desktop in the future? Is something like that one of the reasons they are doing it?
The post I replied to talked about calculations, maybe he does not understand thant in real life you always have to code your own logic yourself (every app is uniqe), no COM components or stuffs like that will solve that for you.
What you really want is to produce doc and xls files and sadly the only way to do that is to use MS Word and Excel. I feel sorry for your clients having to pay monopoly prices for an application, clearly not the best on the market (even if it was the best they can not choose).
You are coding to solve a problem invented by Bill Gates to sell more office suites, not to make a better app for your users. Why would the binary crap that MS Word dunmps on your users be so good for them? Why whould a gzipped OpenOffice XML file that you have generated using som freely avalable API, be worse for them. Would it be more work for you? no!
I know COM will be around, that is not what I said, but this guy called me a dinosaur for not praising a not very new, and now obsolete technology.
Tell me why would you need a full GUI app, complete with clippy and all, to make som calculations from an application? MS junkies seems to have lost the ability to think clear. That is stupid, call me dinosaur all you want.
Besides:
COM is DEAD, Microsoft killed it with.NET, wich has COM legacy integration, and a new object model that might, maybe be proven to work beyond the desktop, unlike COM.
What you really want with your "office automation" stuff is to produce.doc and.xls files. And I know it is hard finding software that can do that (these file formats are designed to be hard/impossible to reverse engineer). On the other hand you could find a good library that for instnace produces good pdf files. You don't kneed a word processor in your app, you just need to create the files.
In my experience most apps that try to use excel and word are crap VisualBASIC apps. Some idiots even try to use word and ecxel on the server to generate these crappy files, for web download.
Macros embedded in, and code mixed with data is another matter entirely. In my opinion it should necver have happened. Not all features are good. Just taht some people will constantly try do stupid things like writing applications "in access" and "in excel" does not mean that it is something people should do (thos apps are really crappy!!!)
An office suite is an office suite, a development environment, API, code library, whatever is something else.
But Bill made many people think otherwise. it is sad.
Relly nice program! I just tested it on Windows and now i wonder why anyone would want MS office.
Especially the graphics module is impressive, and I can't believe how fast this app is, yet has tons of features.
It really make MS office look old, even XP.
This is one of these nice suprises:-)
For me it would be fine with optional ads to support for example the KDE project. But having ads will make Free Software look bad to outsiders and newbies considering switching from their current desktop to Free Software (Ads is something Joe User doesn't like). And proprietary software vendors would say (Imaginary quote): "Dont go with that freeware stuff, they are just out for making money with those ads you have to click on".
I dont think the fact that it would be optional would get through. It would be like Free Software == Annoying popup ads.
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Anyone know how easy/hard it would be to make Qt/KDE or Gtk/GNOME use this for the display of the whole desktop in the future? Is something like that one of the reasons they are doing it?
The post I replied to talked about calculations, maybe he does not understand thant in real life you always have to code your own logic yourself (every app is uniqe), no COM components or stuffs like that will solve that for you.
What you really want is to produce doc and xls files and sadly the only way to do that is to use MS Word and Excel. I feel sorry for your clients having to pay monopoly prices for an application, clearly not the best on the market (even if it was the best they can not choose).
You are coding to solve a problem invented by Bill Gates to sell more office suites, not to make a better app for your users. Why would the binary crap that MS Word dunmps on your users be so good for them? Why whould a gzipped OpenOffice XML file that you have generated using som freely avalable API, be worse for them. Would it be more work for you? no!
I know COM will be around, that is not what I said, but this guy called me a dinosaur for not praising a not very new, and now obsolete technology.
Tell me why would you need a full GUI app, complete with clippy and all, to make som calculations from an application? MS junkies seems to have lost the ability to think clear. That is stupid, call me dinosaur all you want.
.NET, wich has COM legacy integration, and a new object model that might, maybe be proven to work beyond the desktop, unlike COM.
Besides:
COM is DEAD, Microsoft killed it with
You are right most people don't need that stuff.
.doc and .xls files. And I know it is hard finding software that can do that (these file formats are designed to be hard/impossible to reverse engineer). On the other hand you could find a good library that for instnace produces good pdf files. You don't kneed a word processor in your app, you just need to create the files.
What you really want with your "office automation" stuff is to produce
In my experience most apps that try to use excel and word are crap VisualBASIC apps. Some idiots even try to use word and ecxel on the server to generate these crappy files, for web download. Macros embedded in, and code mixed with data is another matter entirely. In my opinion it should necver have happened. Not all features are good. Just taht some people will constantly try do stupid things like writing applications "in access" and "in excel" does not mean that it is something people should do (thos apps are really crappy!!!) An office suite is an office suite, a development environment, API, code library, whatever is something else. But Bill made many people think otherwise. it is sad.
Relly nice program! I just tested it on Windows and now i wonder why anyone would want MS office. Especially the graphics module is impressive, and I can't believe how fast this app is, yet has tons of features. It really make MS office look old, even XP. This is one of these nice suprises :-)
For me it would be fine with optional ads to support for example the KDE project. But having ads will make Free Software look bad to outsiders and newbies considering switching from their current desktop to Free Software (Ads is something Joe User doesn't like). And proprietary software vendors would say (Imaginary quote): "Dont go with that freeware stuff, they are just out for making money with those ads you have to click on". I dont think the fact that it would be optional would get through. It would be like Free Software == Annoying popup ads.
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