So when are you being deployed? You seem to talk an awfully tough game and appear to be unimpressed by the value of the lives of all the young American soldiers and Iraqi people. I'm curious when you are going to step up to the plate, stop posting on slashdot, and go put *your* life on the line to protect the American people from this "terrorist threat".
Remember when they thought the internet was not important?
Yeah, they still haven't come back from that mistake. That's a big part of the motivation to buy Yahoo. If there is one thing that Microsoft has proven they are good at, it is buying a company and diminishing its value as they try assimilate it.
Actually, the whole thing is a big Flash application. It should be a piece of cake to build it for linux.
What the GP is trying to say (or should be) is that they should release the code because the FOSS community can rally around it and provide support and greater release options (linux, future versions of OSX and Windoze)...
Also, I'd like a citation saying that 95% of schools are running Windows. Personally, I think there is a 95% chance that that statement is false.
Well thats really a nice way to shoot your own developers in the foot isn't it. Make it literally impossible to build a business model on selling software, like it was going out of style (its not), then scramble to find other ways to pay your own developers.
That's the shift people need to catch. Business models that depend on revenue from selling software is on the way out. Business models that generate revenue from supporting software are the future.
The internet is drastically changing many business models (e.g. news, movie, music, communication industries). Businesses will either adapt and flourish or drag their feet and die a slow painful death. This is a lesson that we can trivially derive from many times in human history.
Boy, you said it and demonstrated it. I take serious issue with your explanation of how far left and right the three candidates you discussed are. I'd bet $50 you are a conservative and/or republican, just by the fact that you labeled all three candidates as liberal to some degree.
Honestly, I think that all this talk of McCain being moderate or a democrat in republican clothing is just a thinly veiled attempt to attract conservative leaning Democrats who feel guilty about voting for a republican. I only hope that most people will see through this game. McCain is a conservative, republican, plain and simple. I was ready to vote for him over Gore in 2000 when he stood up for his principles and told the religious right to shove it. Since then, he's gone over to the dark side and has cow-toed to all sorts of religious right nut jobs. He lost my support when he gave the commencement speech at Liberty University:
The debugger you describe is a feature of the IDE, not the compiler. For an open-source alternative, you should read up on Eclipse for C/C++ development. They use the GNU compiler and allow you to debug and do all the things you mention.
That's interesting. I too interned for a national lab under the DOE and I was given a debian workstation and emacs. Pretty sure only about 5% of boxes in the division were running MS and that was mostly secretaries and such.
I've been out in the real world for a few years now. I did work using MS technologies, but made a case for every company I worked with to move off MS technologies because there were better FOSS alternatives. I now do only (Gnu) C++ and Java coding and a little PHP and BASH scripting here and there.
Tomorrow's managers are today's college students. Many will go to work in an MS environment, but when it is their turn to steer the ship, they'll remember the FOSS option and (I believe) many will turn in that direction. Isn't going to happen tomorrow. But, I'd be surprised if we don't see some big signs within 5 years or so.
If you want to understand upcoming trends in the IT world, you should look at what is being studied at Universities. That's all I'm saying. Students simply aren't using MS tools during their university coursework and more often than not, it is because they don't want to. Most schools already are members of the MS Academic Alliance and give VS away (at least for CS students and maybe a few other departments). Even though they give these tools away, students still prefer mostly FOSS tools.
As for VS2005/SQLServer2005/IIS6. I've used all three of those in a corporate setting and while I agree that VS2005 is a nice IDE and SQL Server 2005 is a decent DBMS, I would hardly consider IIS6 good. Compared to Apache (and hell, even Tomcat), IIS6 is a bag of crap that is only used because it is required for ASP.NET (and other MS tech) websites.
Bah, that's BS. I've used Eclipse and I've used VS and they are equivalent in terms of startup. Eclipse is a wonderful IDE in many ways. One of the things that I love about Eclipse is that it is so multifunctional, due to it's plugin based design. When I do Java coding, I use Eclipse. When I do C++/C coding, I use eclipse. When I do PHP coding, I use Eclipse. When I do HTML/XML coding, I use Eclipse. I even took a class once that required a little Fortran coding and guess what I used? Eclipse!
When you use one IDE for all these languages, you only have to learn how to use one IDE. 'Nough said...
I bet they are giving Visual Studio away to everyone within 2 years. They can feel their developer market share slip and they are not stupid.
Having recently attended a top 5 CS department university, I can tell you that most students are developing in linux. Windows development (.NET to be specific) is only done by about 15% of students (my guess) and it is NEVER used in courses. Course projects that require UI's use Java. Otherwise, it is written in C, C++, Java, oCaml, Scheme, Perl, and PHP. I've taken upwards of 40 CS classes in the last 8 years and I have NEVER used Microsoft tools for coursework.
No, Ubuntu is extremely flexible and can do everything the other distros can do. However, many distros are not intended for linux beginners. For example, Gentoo is a distro that encourages compiling most of the code instead of using prebuilt binaries. The last time I checked Gentoo (which has been some time, so please excuse my ignorance), the installation procedure was very complicated because you were building your entire linux system from scratch (building == compiling). This is great for a wide range of reasons. However, I would never, ever recommend a new-comer to the linux world start with Gentoo. This isn't a negative of Gentoo, it is simply a difference. It's like encouraging average users to not install Windows server on their work laptop.
My complaint is not that he tried it last year and not this year. My complaint is that he tried it last year and is basing his opinion of current versions of linux on last year's version. This is the equivalent of saying "Windows sucks" because he used Windows 2000 and didn't like it. I'd be totally cool if he said, "Windows 2000 sucks," because that is the product he used and ran into trouble with. However, he used a single distro, one year ago (read: 2 versions ago), and is now claiming that *linux* is weak.
Unless you tried Fedora 8, you haven't tried the current offerings, so you can't have an informed opinion about linux. And yes, you shouldn't be STARTING with Fedora. It isn't meant to be a beginner distro for several reasons. The biggest one being that they strictly adhere to only free, unencumbered software. So, listening to MP3's and other common computing activities is significantly more difficult to get setup in Fedora. All I'm asking is that you don't go spreading misinformation about an old experience with linux. Free open source software is not like commercial software. In some projects, 3 month old code is practically ancient. That's something that's great about free open source software, getting the new version is free.
Give Ubuntu a shot, you'll be surprised at what you find.
Joe user != dumb. If someone is knowledgeable enough to have MP3's on their system to play, they are knowledgeable enough to google "play mp3 in ubuntu", hit I'm feeling lucky, and find their answer right there.
As for the wireless, what would do if some piece of hardware didn't work in windows? Get one that does. I recommend Joe does the same, there certainly are plenty of wireless cards that just work in linux.
I can't tell you how many IT people claim to have "tried linux and it is too experimental/incomplete/unstable/whatever". Then, I ask them a little more about their experience and find that they tried the wrong distro, three versions ago. In the OSS world, 6 months is a long time. If you haven't tried the recommended beginner linux distro at the version that has been released within the last 6 months, you shouldn't be asserting that modern linux distros are not mature. That would be like me taking a copy of windows 98, trying to install it on my 3 month old computer, and then calling Windows a bad OS because it didn't work. You wouldn't give an assessment of Vista based on your experiences with Windows 2000 would you? Then why does it make sense to say that current linux distros can be evaluated based on your experience with older versions.
I highly recommend you take that computer and try it again with Ubuntu linux 7.10. Your nVidia card will almost certainly work. Installing software is really easy and the number of packages in the repositories is massive. NTFS just works. The sound should just work. Finally, are you really complaining about having to choose between desktop managers???? Give me a break. Use whatever you like. Stop spreading ignorant assessments of linux. If you don't know the current state of linux, don't say anything. Better yet, learn the current state of linux. From what I hear, it is pretty cheap to try it out.
I want one of those Boom buttons for my work keyboard. Maybe every time I hit it the whole building shudders under a big BOOM... Would be a fun way of getting rid of the loud people talking in the hallway in front of my door...
I can't tell you how many times I've replied and as I clicked submit I realized that I didn't change the subject... Now I have this stupid subject in my posting history from no until eternity... Great...
4. What about asking the person to work unpaid overtime when you know that your employee would rather be at his precious snowflake's thanksgiving play? I get your point about needing to be able to hold a tough line. But, there is no excuse for expecting your employees to work for no compensation. Do you think that extorting employees to give you 15% of their paychecks or lose their job is appropriate? Well, neither is extorting your employees to work for no overtime pay. The better question for you would have been to ask, "Do you have the gumption to demand overtime pay from your bosses to pay your subordinates when they put in extra time?"
The only reason IT people get trampled on when it comes to overtime pay is because *IT people* don't stand up for themselves.
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So when are you being deployed? You seem to talk an awfully tough game and appear to be unimpressed by the value of the lives of all the young American soldiers and Iraqi people. I'm curious when you are going to step up to the plate, stop posting on slashdot, and go put *your* life on the line to protect the American people from this "terrorist threat".
Humans made up god...
Funny, they used to say the same thing about IBM...
Yeah, they still haven't come back from that mistake. That's a big part of the motivation to buy Yahoo. If there is one thing that Microsoft has proven they are good at, it is buying a company and diminishing its value as they try assimilate it.
Embrace, extend, extinguish...
Actually, the whole thing is a big Flash application. It should be a piece of cake to build it for linux.
What the GP is trying to say (or should be) is that they should release the code because the FOSS community can rally around it and provide support and greater release options (linux, future versions of OSX and Windoze)...
Also, I'd like a citation saying that 95% of schools are running Windows. Personally, I think there is a 95% chance that that statement is false.
Not sure, but I believe the OP may have been high at the time... (look at his user name)
That's the shift people need to catch. Business models that depend on revenue from selling software is on the way out. Business models that generate revenue from supporting software are the future.
The internet is drastically changing many business models (e.g. news, movie, music, communication industries). Businesses will either adapt and flourish or drag their feet and die a slow painful death. This is a lesson that we can trivially derive from many times in human history.
And that's why people aren't standing up in arms against the government... One word... Fear.
Boy, you said it and demonstrated it. I take serious issue with your explanation of how far left and right the three candidates you discussed are. I'd bet $50 you are a conservative and/or republican, just by the fact that you labeled all three candidates as liberal to some degree.
Honestly, I think that all this talk of McCain being moderate or a democrat in republican clothing is just a thinly veiled attempt to attract conservative leaning Democrats who feel guilty about voting for a republican. I only hope that most people will see through this game. McCain is a conservative, republican, plain and simple. I was ready to vote for him over Gore in 2000 when he stood up for his principles and told the religious right to shove it. Since then, he's gone over to the dark side and has cow-toed to all sorts of religious right nut jobs. He lost my support when he gave the commencement speech at Liberty University:
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/5/14/142724.shtml
Look at his positions for yourself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_John_McCain
The debugger you describe is a feature of the IDE, not the compiler. For an open-source alternative, you should read up on Eclipse for C/C++ development. They use the GNU compiler and allow you to debug and do all the things you mention.
That's interesting. I too interned for a national lab under the DOE and I was given a debian workstation and emacs. Pretty sure only about 5% of boxes in the division were running MS and that was mostly secretaries and such.
I've been out in the real world for a few years now. I did work using MS technologies, but made a case for every company I worked with to move off MS technologies because there were better FOSS alternatives. I now do only (Gnu) C++ and Java coding and a little PHP and BASH scripting here and there.
Tomorrow's managers are today's college students. Many will go to work in an MS environment, but when it is their turn to steer the ship, they'll remember the FOSS option and (I believe) many will turn in that direction. Isn't going to happen tomorrow. But, I'd be surprised if we don't see some big signs within 5 years or so.
If you want to understand upcoming trends in the IT world, you should look at what is being studied at Universities. That's all I'm saying. Students simply aren't using MS tools during their university coursework and more often than not, it is because they don't want to. Most schools already are members of the MS Academic Alliance and give VS away (at least for CS students and maybe a few other departments). Even though they give these tools away, students still prefer mostly FOSS tools.
As for VS2005/SQLServer2005/IIS6. I've used all three of those in a corporate setting and while I agree that VS2005 is a nice IDE and SQL Server 2005 is a decent DBMS, I would hardly consider IIS6 good. Compared to Apache (and hell, even Tomcat), IIS6 is a bag of crap that is only used because it is required for ASP.NET (and other MS tech) websites.
Bah, that's BS. I've used Eclipse and I've used VS and they are equivalent in terms of startup. Eclipse is a wonderful IDE in many ways. One of the things that I love about Eclipse is that it is so multifunctional, due to it's plugin based design. When I do Java coding, I use Eclipse. When I do C++/C coding, I use eclipse. When I do PHP coding, I use Eclipse. When I do HTML/XML coding, I use Eclipse. I even took a class once that required a little Fortran coding and guess what I used? Eclipse!
When you use one IDE for all these languages, you only have to learn how to use one IDE. 'Nough said...
I bet they are giving Visual Studio away to everyone within 2 years. They can feel their developer market share slip and they are not stupid.
Having recently attended a top 5 CS department university, I can tell you that most students are developing in linux. Windows development (.NET to be specific) is only done by about 15% of students (my guess) and it is NEVER used in courses. Course projects that require UI's use Java. Otherwise, it is written in C, C++, Java, oCaml, Scheme, Perl, and PHP. I've taken upwards of 40 CS classes in the last 8 years and I have NEVER used Microsoft tools for coursework.
No, Ubuntu is extremely flexible and can do everything the other distros can do. However, many distros are not intended for linux beginners. For example, Gentoo is a distro that encourages compiling most of the code instead of using prebuilt binaries. The last time I checked Gentoo (which has been some time, so please excuse my ignorance), the installation procedure was very complicated because you were building your entire linux system from scratch (building == compiling). This is great for a wide range of reasons. However, I would never, ever recommend a new-comer to the linux world start with Gentoo. This isn't a negative of Gentoo, it is simply a difference. It's like encouraging average users to not install Windows server on their work laptop.
My complaint is not that he tried it last year and not this year. My complaint is that he tried it last year and is basing his opinion of current versions of linux on last year's version. This is the equivalent of saying "Windows sucks" because he used Windows 2000 and didn't like it. I'd be totally cool if he said, "Windows 2000 sucks," because that is the product he used and ran into trouble with. However, he used a single distro, one year ago (read: 2 versions ago), and is now claiming that *linux* is weak.
Unless you tried Fedora 8, you haven't tried the current offerings, so you can't have an informed opinion about linux. And yes, you shouldn't be STARTING with Fedora. It isn't meant to be a beginner distro for several reasons. The biggest one being that they strictly adhere to only free, unencumbered software. So, listening to MP3's and other common computing activities is significantly more difficult to get setup in Fedora. All I'm asking is that you don't go spreading misinformation about an old experience with linux. Free open source software is not like commercial software. In some projects, 3 month old code is practically ancient. That's something that's great about free open source software, getting the new version is free.
Give Ubuntu a shot, you'll be surprised at what you find.
Joe user != dumb. If someone is knowledgeable enough to have MP3's on their system to play, they are knowledgeable enough to google "play mp3 in ubuntu", hit I'm feeling lucky, and find their answer right there.
As for the wireless, what would do if some piece of hardware didn't work in windows? Get one that does. I recommend Joe does the same, there certainly are plenty of wireless cards that just work in linux.
I can't tell you how many IT people claim to have "tried linux and it is too experimental/incomplete/unstable/whatever". Then, I ask them a little more about their experience and find that they tried the wrong distro, three versions ago. In the OSS world, 6 months is a long time. If you haven't tried the recommended beginner linux distro at the version that has been released within the last 6 months, you shouldn't be asserting that modern linux distros are not mature. That would be like me taking a copy of windows 98, trying to install it on my 3 month old computer, and then calling Windows a bad OS because it didn't work. You wouldn't give an assessment of Vista based on your experiences with Windows 2000 would you? Then why does it make sense to say that current linux distros can be evaluated based on your experience with older versions.
I highly recommend you take that computer and try it again with Ubuntu linux 7.10. Your nVidia card will almost certainly work. Installing software is really easy and the number of packages in the repositories is massive. NTFS just works. The sound should just work. Finally, are you really complaining about having to choose between desktop managers???? Give me a break. Use whatever you like. Stop spreading ignorant assessments of linux. If you don't know the current state of linux, don't say anything. Better yet, learn the current state of linux. From what I hear, it is pretty cheap to try it out.
Check out the last picture:
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/0,39029453,49295452-4,00.htm
I want one of those Boom buttons for my work keyboard. Maybe every time I hit it the whole building shudders under a big BOOM... Would be a fun way of getting rid of the loud people talking in the hallway in front of my door...
I can't tell you how many times I've replied and as I clicked submit I realized that I didn't change the subject... Now I have this stupid subject in my posting history from no until eternity... Great...
Seriously, can't we block these IP's already? I mean this is happening in ever story...
The only reason IT people get trampled on when it comes to overtime pay is because *IT people* don't stand up for themselves.