The point of the movie was well taken. However, it's his use of false images that are the problem. As another example, let's take Heston holding the gun convention after the shootings. I think it was tasteless for him to do this, but it was a flat out lie (whether Moore said it or not) to show Heston's famous "from my cold, dead hands" speech while talking about him holding the convention immediately after ths shootings. To talk about one thing and then show footage of something completely else that happened a full year AFTER what he's talking about is misleading and horribly unethical. While I personally believe Heston is an ass, the fact is that I believe Moore is just as bad for what he shows. What he doesn't say can lead us to assume, and assumptions turn into "truths" by Moore supporters. He makes things up through the use of the editing board and manipulation of the human mind (he knows we put 2 and 2 together and can get 5 if he doesn't give us important information).
First off, I am liberal. It's amazing how you can jump to conclusions when just the right facts are left out. This is my problem with Moore. I purposely didn't give my political views, but because I was arguing against Moore, you figured I was a conservative. Moore, contrary to popular belief, is actually the opposite of liberal: he's conservative! He believes that censorship is the way to go in order to control minds. Liberals believe that each individual can make up his or her mind, that there is no absolute morality. What Moore is doing is some serious 1984 work. Showing people that never worked for GM being evicted from their homes is misleading as SERIOUSLY damages his credibility. He can say things all day long, but you, and indeed the average American, will ignore them because pictures speak louder than words. This is Sociology 101 here man. To take away the ability for people to decide for themselves isn't the people's fault, it's the censor's fault.
"Yeah, I killed the guy. Shot him right in the face. It suited my agenda, I admit it." Wow... this killer really has more credibility. I mean, he admitted to offing someone to serve his agenda! At least he didn't lie about killing someone!
Give me a break. You're arguing that because others do worse then he's doing's what's right. Not giving both sides of the story their fair chance isn't a documentary, it's fluff. I'm not saying that I can actually name anyone that's actually objective, because I can't. What I am saying is that giving one side of the story is a death wish for democracy. It creates lemmings. It's unfortunate that someone with as much "credibility" as Moore has so much influence in America. People see his movie and assume that's how it is. They don't even bother to look elsewhere for more information! Roger and Me was a load of shit -- He filmed people being kicked out of their house and, although he never said it, you assumed that these people got kicked out because of GM even though they never worked for the company. Bowling for Columbine, while brilliant, was also had its fair shair of bull shit -- Heston's famous "from my cold, dead hands" speech happened a year after Columbine, not 10 days afterwards like Moore would lead you to believe. Fact checkers are completely worthless in Moore's books and movies because he knows how to put the right spin on his material. It's what you SEE that makes the biggest impact, not the facts that you hear him say.
I'm not saying I agree or disagree with him, this movie and his past work. Truth is that I do a little of both. All I'm saying is that it's for we, the people to decide what our opinion is -- NOT Moore to do it for us.
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The point of the movie was well taken. However, it's his use of false images that are the problem. As another example, let's take Heston holding the gun convention after the shootings. I think it was tasteless for him to do this, but it was a flat out lie (whether Moore said it or not) to show Heston's famous "from my cold, dead hands" speech while talking about him holding the convention immediately after ths shootings. To talk about one thing and then show footage of something completely else that happened a full year AFTER what he's talking about is misleading and horribly unethical. While I personally believe Heston is an ass, the fact is that I believe Moore is just as bad for what he shows. What he doesn't say can lead us to assume, and assumptions turn into "truths" by Moore supporters. He makes things up through the use of the editing board and manipulation of the human mind (he knows we put 2 and 2 together and can get 5 if he doesn't give us important information).
First off, I am liberal. It's amazing how you can jump to conclusions when just the right facts are left out. This is my problem with Moore. I purposely didn't give my political views, but because I was arguing against Moore, you figured I was a conservative. Moore, contrary to popular belief, is actually the opposite of liberal: he's conservative! He believes that censorship is the way to go in order to control minds. Liberals believe that each individual can make up his or her mind, that there is no absolute morality. What Moore is doing is some serious 1984 work. Showing people that never worked for GM being evicted from their homes is misleading as SERIOUSLY damages his credibility. He can say things all day long, but you, and indeed the average American, will ignore them because pictures speak louder than words. This is Sociology 101 here man. To take away the ability for people to decide for themselves isn't the people's fault, it's the censor's fault.
"Yeah, I killed the guy. Shot him right in the face. It suited my agenda, I admit it." Wow... this killer really has more credibility. I mean, he admitted to offing someone to serve his agenda! At least he didn't lie about killing someone! Give me a break. You're arguing that because others do worse then he's doing's what's right. Not giving both sides of the story their fair chance isn't a documentary, it's fluff. I'm not saying that I can actually name anyone that's actually objective, because I can't. What I am saying is that giving one side of the story is a death wish for democracy. It creates lemmings. It's unfortunate that someone with as much "credibility" as Moore has so much influence in America. People see his movie and assume that's how it is. They don't even bother to look elsewhere for more information! Roger and Me was a load of shit -- He filmed people being kicked out of their house and, although he never said it, you assumed that these people got kicked out because of GM even though they never worked for the company. Bowling for Columbine, while brilliant, was also had its fair shair of bull shit -- Heston's famous "from my cold, dead hands" speech happened a year after Columbine, not 10 days afterwards like Moore would lead you to believe. Fact checkers are completely worthless in Moore's books and movies because he knows how to put the right spin on his material. It's what you SEE that makes the biggest impact, not the facts that you hear him say. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with him, this movie and his past work. Truth is that I do a little of both. All I'm saying is that it's for we, the people to decide what our opinion is -- NOT Moore to do it for us.