"Export of most blue collar work in the 70's and 80's."
Bullshit. the auto industried was not an up and coming industry back in the 80's, which is when most of the jobs were sent out of country because of price pressure from the japanese manufacturors.
"McCarthyism: 'better dead than red'"
What laws were passed that took away civil liberties, and granted sweeping unchecked power to american authorities ?
"going against the very nature of this country and its founding princaples."
By the People for the People
and also to make sure the gov't wasnt over-bearing, like englands was back in the day.
Let me first point out that I appreciate the response (as apposed to mindless flames) and respect your POV, however i disagree.
I dont really care about the war in iraq. never have, however taking the war and our position on it in comparison to overall world opinion i realize several things that bothered me:
1. If we attack iraq where do we draw the line ? their are hundreds of dictatorships in south america, africa, and the pacific, do we now police them ?
2. If we do attempt to police the entire planet regardless of worldwide opinion, what gives us that right ? And as uncomfortable as it is to think about: what makes us think that people "terrorists" or not dont have the right to fight back. or attack us ?
3. If we dont attempt to police the entire planet what gave us the right to attack iraq despite worldwide opinions and violation of due process ?
I am not a fan of bush, but thats largely based on the way he presents himself and this country. Despite what some people might believe bush is our main representative to the rest of the world as such he should not appear to be a moron, impatient or tyranical all of which he has appeared to be at certain times.
I also couldnt give a damn about influencing people. I am not a politician. As far as name calling goes..... if the shoe fits....
I should have clarrified the osama hussien thing, but hindsight is 20/20.....
The biggest problem with regards to this "In the US, the terrorists are not welcome. In Iraq, many were intentionally tolerated or supported." is who gets to define "terrorist". According to my handy dictionairy a terrorist is:
One that engages in acts or an act of terrorism.
Terrorism: The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
to me that would make Bush and the american gov't terrorists, since they illegally attacked two countries with the intention of forcing their ideals on the people. Argue the point all you want, according to the actual definition bush is a terrorist. I dont give a damn what cnn thinks about it.
PS i always type with improper capitilizations, i miss the shift key sometimes, and i dont proof read, and i use many, many, many, commas. because it seems to make it read smoother. at least to me.
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but the big one wasnt products, it was services and most of the largest service companies are from america.
You can be hopping mad all you want, the fact remains that currently other countries rely on our bussiness more than we rely on theirs. a smarter person would have taken advantage of that.
Thats a matter of simple mathmatics you ass. if someone is hated by a small amount of 5.8 billion people and a high amount of 200 million people the actual number might be the same, but more likely the small percentage of 5.8 billion would be higher than the low percentage of 200 million.
and just as a side note, my original post did not assume that anyone was wrong, it only highlighted one assumption by making another. its called mocking.
or perhaps it is indeed because THEY DONT KNOW THE BLOODY FUCKING DIFFERENCE !!!! If you wish to blindly believe that the average american is intelligent please do. but dont plan on dragging everyone into that cesspool with you.
pull your head out of your ass. stop trying to sound overly intelligent. it only makes you seem like more of a fool.
if >=50% of the worlds population if not located in the US, then ignoring everything else, simple logic would lead you to believe that >=50% of the people belonging to the group "bush haters" would also be non-american.
If you really want to break it down, taking into effect all of the possible influences please do. I however have better things to do and will simply make the same statement as above.
The majority of the people in this world who hate W live overseas. This is partly because most people in the world also live overseas. Meaning that people who hate bush are not a local ("american" only or "european" only) fad. But rather a worldwide fad.
I have already pointed this out once in this thread, however I dont mind Repeating myself.
"Frankly, we don't need advice from the Europeans on running a stable, pluralistic democracy."
Actually since europe has been dealing with a large amount of the same issues as us for a much longer time it might be wise to shut the fuck up and listen. Most of europe has been plagued by terrorism for years, and one attack doesnt make the US or its gov't the authority on dealing with such things. this is proved by the sad fact that they passed laws to protect the people rather than taking action.
The rest of your post refers to euro's as snobby/snotty and lefties as dolts. Yet you seem to think that the average american has some sense of what bush has done in the past three years. (other than arrest Saddam bin-laden...) Please do yourself a favor and ask average joe if he knows what the Patriot Act is, or ask them what the US gov't spent more money on investigating monica lewinsky or investigating enron. I could go on, but rather than list off a ton of things about this president I dislike I would point to the biggest hypocracy his tenure has yeilded:
We are moving our jobs and economy to a "Globilized" state, relying more on other countries to produce goods and provide services. This makes the Rich Richer and as such feeds the ultra-capitalist republican machine. Yet Bush ignores what the world wants has a whole and refuses to respect the authority of worldwide governing bodies. At the rate we are going how long will it be until foriegn countries and citizens refuse to work for american companies ? or buy american products ? what effect will that have on this country ?
Oh and i might also point out that never in the modern history of this country have we faced so much internal corruption and greed. Never has the gov't been forced to approve laws that help ailing industries, and stood idly by and watched hundreds of thousands of jobs sent overseas in the up coming industries, all while restricting the freedomds of the american people, going against the very nature of this country and its founding princaples.
Actually most americans that actually pay attention to world wide issue's tend to hate bush just as much if not more so than europeans.
However since most americans are inept at paying attention to anything longer than 23 minutes I doubt they will ever grasp the effect W and his cronies are having on them (and its not for the better). As such the only thing most americans (they being of the worry free upper-middle class) care about at the moment is their perceived security. And since bush is a war monger it makes them feel much safer now that saddam bin laden is captured. (sarcasm added for emphesis) now if bush happens to single handedly catch osama hussien he should be made king and re-elected forever.....
And you can flame me all you want. I have called Saddam, Saddam bin-laden to several people. and they dont even blink. Until the idiot box makes a clean seperation for them they wont understand that Saddam had less terrorists in his country durring his regime than bush does in the USA right now.
please do let us know how that waterproof test goes.
I would imagine since they say its waterproof that it must be water resistant to some degree. but weirder shite has happend.
which one did you buy ? and did it come with the gel padded pocket ? cause from what i can tell they dont come with a gel padded pocket by default, and only the "Large" size has the option to buy a sleeve thats made for it.
but who is to say whats unnecessary ? to me having windows in a house or services listening on my public interface is unnecessary. yet to some people this is "normal".
the end all be all is very simple. although a large part of the problem lies at MS's feet the customers must also step up and learn about what they are doing and what they should be doing. we need to stop trying to protect stupid people by passing retarded laws and blaming companies.
yes the cars and you homes come with locks. but you still most know how to use them. same as a firewall. the damn lock doesnt read your mind, niether does the PC.
according to that link, quite a few cobalts out there. And since i work for sun i can attest that most people running them are fairly clueless. and they arent exactly up-to-date either.
nah personally i enjoy the comment about them using windows as the firewall.
no sane company with any valuable data on their intranet should use anything other than a hardware based REAL firewall with custom OS, not a consumer/server OS..... We use Pix here. most of our customers use netscreen or pix.....
the same reason you should know that there are locks on your doors, windows and your car. and you should know how to use it. and if you read the damn instructions you should be able to install them (within reason. ie a house door deadbolt).
lets say your ex-girlfriend has a copy of your key, and shit turns up missing from your house, dont you then change your locks ? this is simple logic. as is protecting your data.
sorry. i disagree with that. somebody cares. weather its your boss, your wife, your son, or some FBI guy who is trying to meet his terrorist quota for the month.
I do not want my public information availible on the internet, metanet or in public view. simple as that. and it has nothing to do with being paraniod it has to do with it being MY PERSONAL information. If i wanted it public i would have made it that way.
this isnt even to mention the big thing: knowing who access's your information. what if the fat guy across the street wants to steal from your home ? what if somebody is stalking you ? wants to rape you ? or carjack you ? if you dont control the access to the information you cannot outweigh the "positive" uses. not to mention whats going to keep an FBI agent or CIA agent from doing any of the above ? a badge doesnt keep you from being human. and last i looked around, humans do some pretty fuckin stupid shit with no reason, and no access to data like this.
a cell phone is not a need. no matter how important you deem it.
going to work IS a need, what if they put a scanner outside the building ? I dont care if you want to walk, good. it would make more people live closer to work which would reduce traffic, smog, and suburban sprawl.
some people need to get a friggin grip. and stop watching the idiot box that tells them how much they need that damn phone. among other things.
this service isnt really new, i bought my phone about a year ago (samsung a500, sprintpcs) and it had this feature. I disabled it, but i think that only turns off the ability for joe schmoe to track me, not the gov't.
i personally see a good use for this (911) and dont see the big deal since you could just not carry your cell with you for that ultra-top-secret-underground tinfoil hat clan meeting.
i am more worried about things you cannot opt out of, like face scanning in public places. or non-approval required phone taps etc....
clinton took over. bush sr didnt have enough time left in office to do anything with kuwait (learn the countries name for godsakes) or finish what he started in the middle east. And at that time the rest of the world wouldnt have sided with the US occupation, now the rest of the worlds gov't are split about the occupation of Iraq.
and im not a democrat or a republican. i hate both you greedy fucks equally.
tell me oh wise sage, did haliburton or any of its subsidiaries get any contracts in the "rebuilding" of iraq ? thought so.
here, choke on this:
RESUME George W. Bush The White House, USA
EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE
LAW ENFORCEMENT: I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine in 1976 for driving under the influence of alcohol. I pled guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver's license suspended for 30 days. My Texas driving record has been "lost" and is not available.
MILITARY: I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I refused to take a drug test or answer any questions about my drug use. By joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in Vietnam.
COLLEGE: I graduated from Yale University. I was a cheerleader.
PAST WORK EXPERIENCE: I ran for U.S. Congress and lost. I began my career in the oil business in Midland, Texas in 1975. I bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas. The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock. I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money. With the help of my father and our right-wing friends in the oil industry (including Enron CEO Ken Lay), I was elected Governor of Texas.
ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR: I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies, making Texas the most polluted state in the Union. During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America. I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of billions in borrowed money. I set the record for the most executions by any Governor in American history. With the help of my brother, the Governor of Florida, and my father's appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President after losing by over 500,000 votes.
ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT: I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over one billion dollars per week. I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury. I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history. I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period. I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S. stock market. I am the first president in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record. I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any one year period. After taking-off the entire month of August, I presided over the worst security failure in U.S. history.
I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical Bunker Buster," a WMD. In my State Of The Union Address, I lied about our reasons for attacking Iraq, then blamed the lies on our British friends. I set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips by a U.S. president. In my first year in office over 2-million Americans lost their jobs and that trend continues every month. I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-monthperiod. I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any president in U.S. history. I set the record for least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.
I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed. I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history. I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and their families -- in wartime. I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously p
Well you know they are trying really hard to keep up with bush and his military expenses, and his oil.... err country rebuilding. gotta love them there right wingers aye sonny ?
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"Export of most blue collar work in the 70's and 80's."
Bullshit. the auto industried was not an up and coming industry back in the 80's, which is when most of the jobs were sent out of country because of price pressure from the japanese manufacturors.
"McCarthyism: 'better dead than red'"
What laws were passed that took away civil liberties, and granted sweeping unchecked power to american authorities ?
"going against the very nature of this country and its founding princaples."
By the People for the People
and also to make sure the gov't wasnt over-bearing, like englands was back in the day.
Let me first point out that I appreciate the response (as apposed to mindless flames) and respect your POV, however i disagree.
..... if the shoe fits ....
.....
I dont really care about the war in iraq. never have, however taking the war and our position on it in comparison to overall world opinion i realize several things that bothered me:
1. If we attack iraq where do we draw the line ? their are hundreds of dictatorships in south america, africa, and the pacific, do we now police them ?
2. If we do attempt to police the entire planet regardless of worldwide opinion, what gives us that right ? And as uncomfortable as it is to think about: what makes us think that people "terrorists" or not dont have the right to fight back. or attack us ?
3. If we dont attempt to police the entire planet what gave us the right to attack iraq despite worldwide opinions and violation of due process ?
I am not a fan of bush, but thats largely based on the way he presents himself and this country. Despite what some people might believe bush is our main representative to the rest of the world as such he should not appear to be a moron, impatient or tyranical all of which he has appeared to be at certain times.
I also couldnt give a damn about influencing people. I am not a politician. As far as name calling goes
I should have clarrified the osama hussien thing, but hindsight is 20/20
The biggest problem with regards to this "In the US, the terrorists are not welcome. In Iraq, many were intentionally tolerated or supported." is who gets to define "terrorist". According to my handy dictionairy a terrorist is:
One that engages in acts or an act of terrorism.
Terrorism: The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
to me that would make Bush and the american gov't terrorists, since they illegally attacked two countries with the intention of forcing their ideals on the people. Argue the point all you want, according to the actual definition bush is a terrorist. I dont give a damn what cnn thinks about it.
PS i always type with improper capitilizations, i miss the shift key sometimes, and i dont proof read, and i use many, many, many, commas. because it seems to make it read smoother. at least to me.
Computers (GASP!)
GE
Media
but the big one wasnt products, it was services and most of the largest service companies are from america.
You can be hopping mad all you want, the fact remains that currently other countries rely on our bussiness more than we rely on theirs. a smarter person would have taken advantage of that.
Thats a matter of simple mathmatics you ass. if someone is hated by a small amount of 5.8 billion people and a high amount of 200 million people the actual number might be the same, but more likely the small percentage of 5.8 billion would be higher than the low percentage of 200 million.
and just as a side note, my original post did not assume that anyone was wrong, it only highlighted one assumption by making another. its called mocking.
or perhaps it is indeed because THEY DONT KNOW THE BLOODY FUCKING DIFFERENCE !!!! If you wish to blindly believe that the average american is intelligent please do. but dont plan on dragging everyone into that cesspool with you.
pull your head out of your ass. stop trying to sound overly intelligent. it only makes you seem like more of a fool.
if >=50% of the worlds population if not located in the US, then ignoring everything else, simple logic would lead you to believe that >=50% of the people belonging to the group "bush haters" would also be non-american.
If you really want to break it down, taking into effect all of the possible influences please do. I however have better things to do and will simply make the same statement as above.
The majority of the people in this world who hate W live overseas. This is partly because most people in the world also live overseas. Meaning that people who hate bush are not a local ("american" only or "european" only) fad. But rather a worldwide fad.
I have already pointed this out once in this thread, however I dont mind Repeating myself.
...) Please do yourself a favor and ask average joe if he knows what the Patriot Act is, or ask them what the US gov't spent more money on investigating monica lewinsky or investigating enron. I could go on, but rather than list off a ton of things about this president I dislike I would point to the biggest hypocracy his tenure has yeilded:
"Frankly, we don't need advice from the Europeans on running a stable, pluralistic democracy."
Actually since europe has been dealing with a large amount of the same issues as us for a much longer time it might be wise to shut the fuck up and listen. Most of europe has been plagued by terrorism for years, and one attack doesnt make the US or its gov't the authority on dealing with such things. this is proved by the sad fact that they passed laws to protect the people rather than taking action.
The rest of your post refers to euro's as snobby/snotty and lefties as dolts. Yet you seem to think that the average american has some sense of what bush has done in the past three years. (other than arrest Saddam bin-laden
We are moving our jobs and economy to a "Globilized" state, relying more on other countries to produce goods and provide services. This makes the Rich Richer and as such feeds the ultra-capitalist republican machine. Yet Bush ignores what the world wants has a whole and refuses to respect the authority of worldwide governing bodies. At the rate we are going how long will it be until foriegn countries and citizens refuse to work for american companies ? or buy american products ? what effect will that have on this country ?
Oh and i might also point out that never in the modern history of this country have we faced so much internal corruption and greed. Never has the gov't been forced to approve laws that help ailing industries, and stood idly by and watched hundreds of thousands of jobs sent overseas in the up coming industries, all while restricting the freedomds of the american people, going against the very nature of this country and its founding princaples.
Actually most americans that actually pay attention to world wide issue's tend to hate bush just as much if not more so than europeans.
.....
However since most americans are inept at paying attention to anything longer than 23 minutes I doubt they will ever grasp the effect W and his cronies are having on them (and its not for the better). As such the only thing most americans (they being of the worry free upper-middle class) care about at the moment is their perceived security. And since bush is a war monger it makes them feel much safer now that saddam bin laden is captured. (sarcasm added for emphesis) now if bush happens to single handedly catch osama hussien he should be made king and re-elected forever
And you can flame me all you want. I have called Saddam, Saddam bin-laden to several people. and they dont even blink. Until the idiot box makes a clean seperation for them they wont understand that Saddam had less terrorists in his country durring his regime than bush does in the USA right now.
"though the vast majority of his haters are overseas."
That being owed in no small part to the fact that the large majority of the people in this world are also overseas.
please do let us know how that waterproof test goes. I would imagine since they say its waterproof that it must be water resistant to some degree. but weirder shite has happend.
If you dont mind my asking.
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which one did you buy ? and did it come with the gel padded pocket ? cause from what i can tell they dont come with a gel padded pocket by default, and only the "Large" size has the option to buy a sleeve thats made for it.
i ask cause i have a 12" IBM X series
but who is to say whats unnecessary ? to me having windows in a house or services listening on my public interface is unnecessary. yet to some people this is "normal".
the end all be all is very simple. although a large part of the problem lies at MS's feet the customers must also step up and learn about what they are doing and what they should be doing. we need to stop trying to protect stupid people by passing retarded laws and blaming companies.
yes the cars and you homes come with locks. but you still most know how to use them. same as a firewall. the damn lock doesnt read your mind, niether does the PC.
no sorry you lose. openBSD is not as secure as people think. the only reason there are very few problems with it is because only 4 people use it.
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2003/12/19/sun_d iscontinuing_cobalt_linux_servers.html
according to that link, quite a few cobalts out there. And since i work for sun i can attest that most people running them are fairly clueless. and they arent exactly up-to-date either.
nah personally i enjoy the comment about them using windows as the firewall.
..... We use Pix here. most of our customers use netscreen or pix .....
no sane company with any valuable data on their intranet should use anything other than a hardware based REAL firewall with custom OS, not a consumer/server OS
the same reason you should know that there are locks on your doors, windows and your car. and you should know how to use it. and if you read the damn instructions you should be able to install them (within reason. ie a house door deadbolt).
lets say your ex-girlfriend has a copy of your key, and shit turns up missing from your house, dont you then change your locks ? this is simple logic. as is protecting your data.
the usenet part of the post was humor. even if it is true, you must be a conservative to not understand that.
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http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/12/15/scotus.
now correct me if i'm wrong but if everything is on the up and up why the hell are they trying so hard to hide it ?
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/opinion/13_12_03_i.as
its funny how journalists who dont even live in the US see this and the backdoor under the table politiks that caused this
sorry. i disagree with that. somebody cares. weather its your boss, your wife, your son, or some FBI guy who is trying to meet his terrorist quota for the month.
I do not want my public information availible on the internet, metanet or in public view. simple as that. and it has nothing to do with being paraniod it has to do with it being MY PERSONAL information. If i wanted it public i would have made it that way.
this isnt even to mention the big thing: knowing who access's your information. what if the fat guy across the street wants to steal from your home ? what if somebody is stalking you ? wants to rape you ? or carjack you ? if you dont control the access to the information you cannot outweigh the "positive" uses. not to mention whats going to keep an FBI agent or CIA agent from doing any of the above ? a badge doesnt keep you from being human. and last i looked around, humans do some pretty fuckin stupid shit with no reason, and no access to data like this.
a cell phone is not a need. no matter how important you deem it.
going to work IS a need, what if they put a scanner outside the building ? I dont care if you want to walk, good. it would make more people live closer to work which would reduce traffic, smog, and suburban sprawl.
some people need to get a friggin grip. and stop watching the idiot box that tells them how much they need that damn phone. among other things.
didnt i already point out that this can be disabled on the phone ? or are you illiterate ?
this service isnt really new, i bought my phone about a year ago (samsung a500, sprintpcs) and it had this feature. I disabled it, but i think that only turns off the ability for joe schmoe to track me, not the gov't.
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i personally see a good use for this (911) and dont see the big deal since you could just not carry your cell with you for that ultra-top-secret-underground tinfoil hat clan meeting.
i am more worried about things you cannot opt out of, like face scanning in public places. or non-approval required phone taps etc
and im not a democrat or a republican. i hate both you greedy fucks equally.
tell me oh wise sage, did haliburton or any of its subsidiaries get any contracts in the "rebuilding" of iraq ? thought so.
here, choke on this:
Well you know they are trying really hard to keep up with bush and his military expenses, and his oil .... err country rebuilding. gotta love them there right wingers aye sonny ?
i 100% agree. its one of the reasons that i havent run any microsoft products in over 2 years on any workstation or server i own or admin.