Ya think? If they were to distribute unauthorized reproductions : that would be copyright infringement. Just because a piece of artwork has been reproduced doesn't mean it has been stolen, or even that copyright infringement has occured (I was subtle in making that point, you made it blatant in your attempt to talk smack.)
-If the person who purchased a Nagel painting were to make exact duplicates and distribute those for free, are they stealing?
No, they are infringing on a copyright. Have you even read the thread?
Wow - at the rate you are standing up for the RIAA, I would almost guess you for a corporate plant. Wait a minute, I know you... you are the one that had your lips planted firmly around Gator's (GAIN) thick veined meatstick a few weeks ago.
You stand up for the business practices of Gator (GAIM). You are here cock gobbling RIAA to the hilt.
That's a thought.. bring my laptop into the library and just set up a ripping party right there. Actually that might just work : gonna have to learn how to rip DVDs to make it worth while though.
Anybody got 'insightful' tips or links to get started ripping DVDs?
No, actually they are not the same. If someone stands outside your window and takes a picture of the painting you have in your living room they have not stolen from you. They have not stolen from Patrick Nagel (I am assuming you have good taste in art.) They have no doubt committed some moral and possibly legal infractions but stealing isn't one of them.
If you look on the wall and that artwork is still there : you have not been stolen from. Call the cops, tell them someone has stolen your Patrick Nagel painting... when they get there and the painting is still on the wall : you are going to get a lesson in legal terminology.
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Just to get this out of the way : if someone snaps YOUR picture with a camera - that is not kidnapping either.
If someone burns me a CD and sends it to me, THAT is distribution. If I walk over to his house and I take it while he isn't there... he didn't distribute a thing.
You were much more polite in expressing the same sentiment that I wanted to express. Thank you. Saved my karma the ensuing beating it was going to take had I not waited for your eloquent response.
That said, it seems the penalty for swapping a file online is a lot heavier than swiping it off the shelf at Best Buy.
If you are going to steal music, go into the store and five-finger discount it like we did in the good old days. You get the nifty artwork that comes with it, the original CD and if you get busted you are looking at $150 and a slap on the wrist, vs a million dollars (8 songs on a CD, $150,000 per song) for getting in on the P2P scene.
Actually you can do bandwidth shaping, but it requires physical access to the network switch and a basic knowledge of which wire goes to which computer. Oh yea, and the shaping is binary, either that computer gets some bandwidth, or it doesn't.
And it is probably a LOT cheaper now than when you got it.
This isn't funny people, this is insightful. It really works and is good protection, under $50. If you don't have one, go get one. I recommend the BEFSR41 though because it has a built in 4 port 10/100 switch.
Steve Gibson's site has a section to test all the ports associated with your network connection. Go there, scroll down and click on 'All Service Ports' - it will tell you if your system is vulnerable.
Behind a Linksys or SMC home router, you are invisible to the rest of the world. Not sure how much better it can get than that.
-We had a bad D-Link D614+, wireless access point/router, and used the credit card to "pay" for the new one to a let them "immeadiately" ship the replacement, it still took 4 weeks to get the replacement.
Jesus man, you are talking about a $60 piece of hardware. If your Internet connectivity is important to you, as in business grade connectivity important, just buy two and put one on the shelf. If your primary goes down go back to the parts closet and grab your spare, swap it out and you are back up and running in about 10 minutes. Assuming you wrote down the WEP generation key and other settings when you installed the first one you are bingo ready before Pizza Hut can deliver a well deserved pizza, your reward for keeping the network connected to the Net.
If you were offline for a month , or worse yet limping along connecting a single machine directly to the cablemodem / DSL (exposed to the net with no firewall,) waiting on a replacement on a $60 part... not sure what to say here.
I agree with both of you, except for the 'elitist assholes' part, and both of you seemed to take what I said and violently agree with me.
-It would be far better to try and encourage as many people to try, than to immediately alienate 90% of the population.
Like I said : expose all the kids to some simple programming concepts. Most are not going to think the way programmers think, but if you pay attention you will identify those that have a very significant aptitude for programming.
-If you choose to program for a living it should be because your good at it.
The ones that have the aptitude for it are going to do well at it, succeed because they are going to be good at it. Identify them early, and facilitate it in them.
Lets face it - we all got a little exposure to baseball, basketball, football in school while we were growing up. Those with a propensity for those individual sports were singled out and taken aside, encouraged to take their aptitude to a higher level. Nobody is saying 'everybody ought to be able to go to college on a football / basketball scholarship'... because with the exception of a few individuals with God given talent and aptitude, the rest of us pretty much suck. Compared to the pro's, yes, we suck. No amount of encouragement or warm fuzzy talk is going to get me slam-dunking basketballs into the net.
Stand up there and give a brief overview of the bubblesort. In a class of 30, 29 are not going to understand it... but one, one little kid is going to grasp that concept at age 6 and he will be able to demonstrate it for you flawlessly.
Single that kid out and mentor him, for he is the Golden Child. He, more than any other, is the one you want to be a programmer.
The trick of course is finding a machine / OS combo that will run it - but when it comes to teaching the concepts of boolean algebra there is no substitute.
-How do I explain what a programmer does to the kids?
Ok, first I make sure the oil is really, really hot. Next I get a bag of fries from the freezer. Then I put a massive handful of fries into the basket. Some days when I am feeling dangerous I put TWO handfulls of fries in the same basket. Then I lower the basket into the boiling oil, envisioning that every french fry was actually a cow worshiping, hindi speaking, job stealing net-back being boiled alive. Then I say the magic words : 'Is that for here or to go?'
Would you really let your own children dream of growing up to be programmers? Please, think of the children.
Ok I simply DOS'ed it to the point that nothing else was getting done - it didn't actually 'crash'. Nonetheless, the insurance guys weren't real happy with me on that day, and it came up during a performance review with my director. He thought it was hilarious, off the record.
(Disclaimer : my VM experience is on Intel using VMware, not a zSeries using whatever. Mainframe terminology will vary from mine.)
The VM is simply a directory with about 5 files in it. Want to add a virtual machine to your farm? Shut down a machine that is similar to what you want, copy the directory to another directory, rename the directory to something more descriptive, start the new VM, rename the 'server' once the VM is running, then restart the VM that you originally shut down to dupe. Change the IP address on one of them if you are hard coding the IP addresses. Voila! you have added another server to your network. Takes about 5 minutes tops.
I have to ask - on this setup do you need to buy Windows NT licenses for every VM or just one for the single actual hardware machine it is running on?
Hell at $3,300 for Windows 2000 Advanced Server with 25 Client Licenses (number I pulled from Dell, for the record) if you had 10 VMs running that is $30,000 right there.
Come to find out you don't actually have to be correct to score a +5, Informative on today's/. - you just have to SOUND correct. Excellent grammar, spelling and punctuation, nice use of paragraphs, good word diversity... hell yea, +5 Informative, baby!
Because everybody has a z-series laying around to experiment with, and quite honestly a dual CPU machine built in Pengin's garage is going to dominate a z990 anyday on those difficult high bandwidth web server transactions... NOT.
I have slashdotted dual CPU desktop boxes, and I have slashdotted high end mainframes and trust me, it is a hell of a lot harder to slashdot a zSeries than a garage built dual Xeon.
Slashdot Mirror
I didn't say it was ok - I just said it wasn't stealing. Good analogy though.
Correct my if I am wrong but I think the infraction Linksys committed was violating the GPL licensing agreement.
Want to be informative CK? I am genuinely interested : what is the penalty for violating the GPL agreement? I'm just asking because I am curious.
-This isn't even copyright infringement.
... you are the one that had your lips planted firmly around Gator's (GAIN) thick veined meatstick a few weeks ago.
Ya think? If they were to distribute unauthorized reproductions : that would be copyright infringement. Just because a piece of artwork has been reproduced doesn't mean it has been stolen, or even that copyright infringement has occured (I was subtle in making that point, you made it blatant in your attempt to talk smack.)
-If the person who purchased a Nagel painting were to make exact duplicates and distribute those for free, are they stealing?
No, they are infringing on a copyright. Have you even read the thread?
Wow - at the rate you are standing up for the RIAA, I would almost guess you for a corporate plant. Wait a minute, I know you
You stand up for the business practices of Gator (GAIM). You are here cock gobbling RIAA to the hilt.
Hillary, is that you?
That's a thought .. bring my laptop into the library and just set up a ripping party right there. Actually that might just work : gonna have to learn how to rip DVDs to make it worth while though.
Anybody got 'insightful' tips or links to get started ripping DVDs?
-Repeat after me: They are the same.
... when they get there and the painting is still on the wall : you are going to get a lesson in legal terminology.
No, actually they are not the same. If someone stands outside your window and takes a picture of the painting you have in your living room they have not stolen from you. They have not stolen from Patrick Nagel (I am assuming you have good taste in art.) They have no doubt committed some moral and possibly legal infractions but stealing isn't one of them.
If you look on the wall and that artwork is still there : you have not been stolen from. Call the cops, tell them someone has stolen your Patrick Nagel painting
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Just to get this out of the way : if someone snaps YOUR picture with a camera - that is not kidnapping either.
If someone burns me a CD and sends it to me, THAT is distribution. If I walk over to his house and I take it while he isn't there ... he didn't distribute a thing.
You were much more polite in expressing the same sentiment that I wanted to express. Thank you. Saved my karma the ensuing beating it was going to take had I not waited for your eloquent response.
I recommend you don't try this in Texas.
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If you think the penalty for getting caught file swapping is bad, you don't even want to know what the penalty for stealing a 'vette in Texas is
That said, it seems the penalty for swapping a file online is a lot heavier than swiping it off the shelf at Best Buy.
If you are going to steal music, go into the store and five-finger discount it like we did in the good old days. You get the nifty artwork that comes with it, the original CD and if you get busted you are looking at $150 and a slap on the wrist, vs a million dollars (8 songs on a CD, $150,000 per song) for getting in on the P2P scene.
Actually you can do bandwidth shaping, but it requires physical access to the network switch and a basic knowledge of which wire goes to which computer. Oh yea, and the shaping is binary, either that computer gets some bandwidth, or it doesn't.
It is very effective, in a Pavlovian sort of way.
And it is probably a LOT cheaper now than when you got it.
This isn't funny people, this is insightful. It really works and is good protection, under $50. If you don't have one, go get one. I recommend the BEFSR41 though because it has a built in 4 port 10/100 switch.
-And here I am, subscribed to a half-dozen newsgroups!
The answers you seek are probably not going to be found in A.B.P.E.*
https://grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2
Steve Gibson's site has a section to test all the ports associated with your network connection. Go there, scroll down and click on 'All Service Ports' - it will tell you if your system is vulnerable.
Behind a Linksys or SMC home router, you are invisible to the rest of the world. Not sure how much better it can get than that.
-We had a bad D-Link D614+, wireless access point/router, and used the credit card to "pay" for the new one to a let them "immeadiately" ship the replacement, it still took 4 weeks to get the replacement.
... not sure what to say here.
Jesus man, you are talking about a $60 piece of hardware. If your Internet connectivity is important to you, as in business grade connectivity important, just buy two and put one on the shelf. If your primary goes down go back to the parts closet and grab your spare, swap it out and you are back up and running in about 10 minutes. Assuming you wrote down the WEP generation key and other settings when you installed the first one you are bingo ready before Pizza Hut can deliver a well deserved pizza, your reward for keeping the network connected to the Net.
If you were offline for a month , or worse yet limping along connecting a single machine directly to the cablemodem / DSL (exposed to the net with no firewall,) waiting on a replacement on a $60 part
I agree with both of you, except for the 'elitist assholes' part, and both of you seemed to take what I said and violently agree with me.
... because with the exception of a few individuals with God given talent and aptitude, the rest of us pretty much suck. Compared to the pro's, yes, we suck. No amount of encouragement or warm fuzzy talk is going to get me slam-dunking basketballs into the net.
-It would be far better to try and encourage as many people to try, than to immediately alienate 90% of the population.
Like I said : expose all the kids to some simple programming concepts. Most are not going to think the way programmers think, but if you pay attention you will identify those that have a very significant aptitude for programming.
-If you choose to program for a living it should be because your good at it.
The ones that have the aptitude for it are going to do well at it, succeed because they are going to be good at it. Identify them early, and facilitate it in them.
Lets face it - we all got a little exposure to baseball, basketball, football in school while we were growing up. Those with a propensity for those individual sports were singled out and taken aside, encouraged to take their aptitude to a higher level. Nobody is saying 'everybody ought to be able to go to college on a football / basketball scholarship'
One better : Bubble Sort.
... but one, one little kid is going to grasp that concept at age 6 and he will be able to demonstrate it for you flawlessly.
Stand up there and give a brief overview of the bubblesort. In a class of 30, 29 are not going to understand it
Single that kid out and mentor him, for he is the Golden Child. He, more than any other, is the one you want to be a programmer.
No joke.
Rocky's Boots.
Learn it, love it, live it.
The trick of course is finding a machine / OS combo that will run it - but when it comes to teaching the concepts of boolean algebra there is no substitute.
-How do I explain what a programmer does to the kids?
Ok, first I make sure the oil is really, really hot.
Next I get a bag of fries from the freezer.
Then I put a massive handful of fries into the basket. Some days when I am feeling dangerous I put TWO handfulls of fries in the same basket.
Then I lower the basket into the boiling oil, envisioning that every french fry was actually a cow worshiping, hindi speaking, job stealing net-back being boiled alive.
Then I say the magic words : 'Is that for here or to go?'
Would you really let your own children dream of growing up to be programmers? Please, think of the children.
Ok I simply DOS'ed it to the point that nothing else was getting done - it didn't actually 'crash'. Nonetheless, the insurance guys weren't real happy with me on that day, and it came up during a performance review with my director. He thought it was hilarious, off the record.
Still not random enough.
You want real honest to God random numbers, let a woman balance your checkbook.
>Friend 2: 10.0.0.4
>Friend 3: 10.0.0.5.
Three friends? Who are you and what have you done with the real Echnin?
(Disclaimer : my VM experience is on Intel using VMware, not a zSeries using whatever. Mainframe terminology will vary from mine.)
The VM is simply a directory with about 5 files in it. Want to add a virtual machine to your farm? Shut down a machine that is similar to what you want, copy the directory to another directory, rename the directory to something more descriptive, start the new VM, rename the 'server' once the VM is running, then restart the VM that you originally shut down to dupe. Change the IP address on one of them if you are hard coding the IP addresses. Voila! you have added another server to your network. Takes about 5 minutes tops.
I have to ask - on this setup do you need to buy Windows NT licenses for every VM or just one for the single actual hardware machine it is running on?
Hell at $3,300 for Windows 2000 Advanced Server with 25 Client Licenses (number I pulled from Dell, for the record) if you had 10 VMs running that is $30,000 right there.
That is hilarious - too bad I am already participating in this discussion, can't mod you up. Consider this a +1 metamod.
Well the mods are on crack today.
/. - you just have to SOUND correct. Excellent grammar, spelling and punctuation, nice use of paragraphs, good word diversity ... hell yea, +5 Informative, baby!
... NOT.
Come to find out you don't actually have to be correct to score a +5, Informative on today's
Because everybody has a z-series laying around to experiment with, and quite honestly a dual CPU machine built in Pengin's garage is going to dominate a z990 anyday on those difficult high bandwidth web server transactions
I have slashdotted dual CPU desktop boxes, and I have slashdotted high end mainframes and trust me, it is a hell of a lot harder to slashdot a zSeries than a garage built dual Xeon.
-So if your shop is run by some sort of morons and you've got 100's of spare MIPS to burn,
We prefer the term 'consultant'.