The fact that my mom drew the original skeleton t-shirt that Nigel wore in the Spinal Tap movie gives me a tremendous sense of pride, I just had to chime in to brag a little;)
Accept no imitations, Leslie Arwin is the original artist of the skeleton t-shirt from Spinal Tap (and other movies of the era). She created the shirt to put herself through Med School in 1978, before I was born. She already had a Medical Illustration degree, hence the amazing accuracy on the shirts.
Had that problem with one of the early CentOS kernels because they had renamed it. Now they keep the name exactly the same so any 3rd party drivers that rely on kernel versions are 100% compatible with CentOS. I can only assume WBEL is doing the same (or will when complaints come flooding in).
I definitely agree that for any substantial development you need to use the Filesystem and leverage the power of a real IDE (which we did at my old job).
However, to someone who is learning/familiarizing themselves with Zope, the default textarea editor is a turnoff. Even going the route of storing code on the filesystem has its drawbacks, but is still certainly the way to go, if you must go with Zope that is;)
Zope great in theory ... not so much in practice.
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I used to work for a web development firm that slowly went from a primarily Java based atmosphere to an all Zope based model.
Zope looks great on paper, and it was [relatively] easy to convince Management that it would "increase productivity", and would be "easy for the Java developers to learn and switch to". In all fairness, even the Java developers I worked with would agree that Zope offered some great features that other languages didn't offer. Aquisition, for one.
In practice, our Zope projects ended up being disasters. Slow, difficult to develop and debug. (By default, all of your code editing is done using the web based editor, which is just a simple HTML TextArea input). It does NOT lend itself well to development teams of more than a few people, and is so inefficient that you *must* use a caching proxy if you expect any substantial amount of traffic.
It's been about 6 months since I stopped developing in Zope, and I must say my sanity level has increased since then. Of course, I have not tried Zope 3 yet (which was rewritten from scratch apparently), so it definitely deserves a fair shot. I'm simply relaying my past experiences with the Zope 2.5 thru 2.7 versions, for whatever it's worth.
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I'm also waiting for the day when people won't know why we say "hang up the phone" ... Hang it on what? Just press the "end" button.
The fact that my mom drew the original skeleton t-shirt that Nigel wore in the Spinal Tap movie gives me a tremendous sense of pride, I just had to chime in to brag a little ;)
Accept no imitations, Leslie Arwin is the original artist of the skeleton t-shirt from Spinal Tap (and other movies of the era). She created the shirt to put herself through Med School in 1978, before I was born. She already had a Medical Illustration degree, hence the amazing accuracy on the shirts.
Cheers,
-Ben Arwin
The use of the word 'peaceful' caught my eye too. It's not like these are US/Iraq talks or something.
... or will there??
I imagine that even if they don't settle this quickly, there won't be bloodshed
Had that problem with one of the early CentOS kernels because they had renamed it. Now they keep the name exactly the same so any 3rd party drivers that rely on kernel versions are 100% compatible with CentOS. I can only assume WBEL is doing the same (or will when complaints come flooding in).
CentOS also fills this niche, and I think has a stronger community base behind it. It's been a while since I've done a full comparison though.
"But somehow Rob Tapert and Bruce Campbell are onboard as well."
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Really not surprising that Bruce Campbell is jumping at any job offer he can get
I definitely agree that for any substantial development you need to use the Filesystem and leverage the power of a real IDE (which we did at my old job).
;)
However, to someone who is learning/familiarizing themselves with Zope, the default textarea editor is a turnoff. Even going the route of storing code on the filesystem has its drawbacks, but is still certainly the way to go, if you must go with Zope that is
I used to work for a web development firm that slowly went from a primarily Java based atmosphere to an all Zope based model.
Zope looks great on paper, and it was [relatively] easy to convince Management that it would "increase productivity", and would be "easy for the Java developers to learn and switch to". In all fairness, even the Java developers I worked with would agree that Zope offered some great features that other languages didn't offer. Aquisition, for one.
In practice, our Zope projects ended up being disasters. Slow, difficult to develop and debug. (By default, all of your code editing is done using the web based editor, which is just a simple HTML TextArea input). It does NOT lend itself well to development teams of more than a few people, and is so inefficient that you *must* use a caching proxy if you expect any substantial amount of traffic.
It's been about 6 months since I stopped developing in Zope, and I must say my sanity level has increased since then. Of course, I have not tried Zope 3 yet (which was rewritten from scratch apparently), so it definitely deserves a fair shot. I'm simply relaying my past experiences with the Zope 2.5 thru 2.7 versions, for whatever it's worth.