Re:What about redirecting non-deliverables?
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The Clueless Mailers site doesn't deal with your everyday spammer... The ones who forge headers and From addresses and such don't really interest me anymore.
It's this trend of legit companies and their vendors getting into the sending of UCE that CM is trying to look at.
To me, that's scarier than the underground guys...
> Nice work with the map. However, I wonder why they didn't link > each box to the site it refers to, to allow the users to conduct > their own investigation easier.
Well, there's this little matter of time... It's not my day job.::G::
I'd eventually like to do that.... But don't hold your breath. heheh..
Well, the Spamdemic(SM) Map is meant to focus more on *potential*, with its connection among both companies that have and haven't spammed. The point is that with so many relationships afoot, all entities involved really need to be sure that their privacy and permission standards are solid, else the unauthorized propagation of info like email addresses can become even worse than it is.
What you're looking at is also only part of the site; the main page deals with domains and companies that actually have sent unsolicited commercial email... Some of which are saying "We never send unsolicited email." The intent of listing these companies is to encourage users to encourage the mailers and marketers to re-examine their policies, and to rethink just what exactly entails "permission."
Although there are lots of companies out there who are knowingly spamming, there are many who have no idea they are. This is largely due to folks joining co-registration networks that accept the submission of unconfirmed email addresses.
Unfortunately, some opportunists are abusing some of these networks and submitting addresses without the owner's permission... and collecting as much as $0.65 per address, or more.
Education is Clueless Mailers' intent... not punishment. There may be some entities who are deserving of punishment, but with the mixing of slean lists with dirty ones, and the unwitting intermingling of "white hats" with "black hats", it's getting tougher all the time to tell who's spamming on purpose, and who's just a victim of a list seller.
Here's hoping that more mailers and marketers take a hard look at their policies, and the policies of the companies they're doing business with.
...Before my inbox gets totally clogged with spam.
I actively solicit input from those who are mentioned on the CM site, in any context. I want the information on the site to be 100% accurate.
There have been a few marketers who have contacted me to correct some things, and I've gladly changed them.
Got a note today from a service provider which mentioned the word "slander", referring to, IIRC, a simple notation that read something like "company X sends email through service Y". They said they've already terminated the spammer, and they want their mention removed. I'm more than happy to make note that the spammer has been nuked.
I want to make sure that everything on the site is factual, and I'll change any and all errors and clarify anything that needs clarification.
After all, inaccurate info on the site wouldn't help in the credibility department, eh?
...Bob
Bob West Clueless Mailers Webmaster
Re:attention script kiddies, hackers, crackers, et
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...Actually, I think the map is a fair representation of the state of my mental health after all that research and line-drawing.
...Bob
Bob West Clueless Mailers Webmaster
Re:Where's the Asian spammers?
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Well, I had to start somewhere...
Like the Map says, it's by no means a complete picture. I just started with one email, then another, and began finding connections.
Asian stuff generally gets nuked immediately; I rarely even bother reporting it anymore.
*sigh*
...Bob
Bob West Clueless Mailers Webmaster
Re:When I first read the story title...
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CluelessMailers.org does not endorse the use of violence, including Denial of Service attacks.
But thanks for thinking of us.
...Bob
Bob West Clueless Mailers Webmaster
Re:Spam Definition Question #@ +1; Patriotic @#
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Not yet...
But the RNC may one day soon make it onto the Map.
They've been hitting me once a week or so.
Not very smart, are they?...Bob
Bob West
Clueless Mailers Webmaster
Thanks!
I've never had a site that needed mirroring before... And now I understand how generous the folks are who offer to do it.
Would you mind if I include a link to your mirror on the CM site? I'm thinking of putting up an interim page in place of the full size map that explains what's up, along with links to mirrors and the original page.
Thanks again!...Bob
Bob West
Clueless Mailers Webmaster
I'm not sure, but I think the one you're referring to mentions that the spammed email address was submitted by someone to a mailing list via that website, not that a spamvertized site was submitted to CM.
Slashdot Mirror
The Clueless Mailers site doesn't deal with your everyday spammer... The ones who forge headers and From addresses and such don't really interest me anymore.
It's this trend of legit companies and their vendors getting into the sending of UCE that CM is trying to look at.
To me, that's scarier than the underground guys...
:/
...Bob
Bob West
Clueless Mailers Webmaster
scrm wrote:
::G::
> Nice work with the map. However, I wonder why they didn't link
> each box to the site it refers to, to allow the users to conduct
> their own investigation easier.
Well, there's this little matter of time... It's not my day job.
I'd eventually like to do that.... But don't hold your breath. heheh..
...Bob
Bob West
Clueless Mailers Webmaster
Well, the Spamdemic(SM) Map is meant to focus more on *potential*, with its connection among both companies that have and haven't spammed. The point is that with so many relationships afoot, all entities involved really need to be sure that their privacy and permission standards are solid, else the unauthorized propagation of info like email addresses can become even worse than it is.
What you're looking at is also only part of the site; the main page deals with domains and companies that actually have sent unsolicited commercial email... Some of which are saying "We never send unsolicited email." The intent of listing these companies is to encourage users to encourage the mailers and marketers to re-examine their policies, and to rethink just what exactly entails "permission."
Although there are lots of companies out there who are knowingly spamming, there are many who have no idea they are. This is largely due to folks joining co-registration networks that accept the submission of unconfirmed email addresses.
Unfortunately, some opportunists are abusing some of these networks and submitting addresses without the owner's permission... and collecting as much as $0.65 per address, or more.
Education is Clueless Mailers' intent... not punishment. There may be some entities who are deserving of punishment, but with the mixing of slean lists with dirty ones, and the unwitting intermingling of "white hats" with "black hats", it's getting tougher all the time to tell who's spamming on purpose, and who's just a victim of a list seller.
Here's hoping that more mailers and marketers take a hard look at their policies, and the policies of the companies they're doing business with.
...Before my inbox gets totally clogged with spam.
...Bob
Bob West
Clueless Mailers Webmaster
Nothing official yet...
I actively solicit input from those who are mentioned on the CM site, in any context. I want the information on the site to be 100% accurate.
There have been a few marketers who have contacted me to correct some things, and I've gladly changed them.
Got a note today from a service provider which mentioned the word "slander", referring to, IIRC, a simple notation that read something like "company X sends email through service Y". They said they've already terminated the spammer, and they want their mention removed. I'm more than happy to make note that the spammer has been nuked.
I want to make sure that everything on the site is factual, and I'll change any and all errors and clarify anything that needs clarification.
After all, inaccurate info on the site wouldn't help in the credibility department, eh?
...Bob
Bob West
Clueless Mailers Webmaster
...Actually, I think the map is a fair representation of the state of my mental health after all that research and line-drawing.
...Bob
Bob West
Clueless Mailers Webmaster
Well, I had to start somewhere...
Like the Map says, it's by no means a complete picture. I just started with one email, then another, and began finding connections.
Asian stuff generally gets nuked immediately; I rarely even bother reporting it anymore.
*sigh*
...Bob
Bob West
Clueless Mailers Webmaster
CluelessMailers.org does not endorse the use of violence, including Denial of Service attacks.
But thanks for thinking of us.
...Bob
Bob West
Clueless Mailers Webmaster
Not yet... But the RNC may one day soon make it onto the Map. They've been hitting me once a week or so. Not very smart, are they? ...Bob
Bob West
Clueless Mailers Webmaster
Thanks! I've never had a site that needed mirroring before... And now I understand how generous the folks are who offer to do it. Would you mind if I include a link to your mirror on the CM site? I'm thinking of putting up an interim page in place of the full size map that explains what's up, along with links to mirrors and the original page. Thanks again! ...Bob
Bob West
Clueless Mailers Webmaster
I'm not sure, but I think the one you're referring to mentions that the spammed email address was submitted by someone to a mailing list via that website, not that a spamvertized site was submitted to CM.
But I'm glad you're enjoying it!
...Bob
Bob West
Clueless Mailers Webmaster