"... it makes it possible to play pirated games but has some legal uses such as being able to install Linux."
The concern that I have is that there is 0 good reason to install Linux on it. I mean, if there were a bunch of XBOX specific apps being built for it, I'd understand. I suggested the ability to play Divx.AVI's etc. For all I know it's in the works, but we never hear that. All we hear about is people wanting to install Linux on it. At best we hear about potential, but realistically it's not a computer of choice.
" The idea is to prevent Microsoft from jumping ship from the PC to a closed MS hardware platform for PCs which would truely exclude other OSs from the marketplace."
I'd buy that if he remained anonymous. Now he's the little guy who'll become a martyr when MS crushes down on them. He basically bought off the Slashdot community.
"The stereotypical Evil Company would keep the ability to run 3rd party software on the box to themselves; he's willing to let the world have it."
The XBOX plays nothing but 3rd party software. What they're trying to do is make the XBOX deviate from playing games.
The stereotypical Evil Company would keep the ability to run 3rd party software on the box to themselves; he's willing to let the world have it.
Waste of time if you ask me, at least until they make an interesting use of it. Personally, I'd buy and mod and XBOX right now if they could have it play Divx.avi's on my TV.
Work on some apps to maek this useful and worthwhile to do, and I won't be whingey.
"You consider it immoral to try and run the software of your choice on one of your own computers?"
I'm amazed that you got modded up for that comment. It has nothing to do with how I feel about software, period. It has to do with the 'no reverse engineering' clause in the DMCA that MS could (as far as I know...) attack the Lindows CEO with if he pays out.
Whether or not I find it immoral has absolutely 0 bearing my comoment.
For the record, I'm all for hacking the XBOX. My comment does not contradict that.
"Hmm, it seems many people have a lot of spare time on their hands. Perhaps it's time to start on that pesky little world hunger problem...."
Wow, you're full of ignorant comments today.
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"Well first of all you are assuming you'd know if someone else 0wned your machines."
Well, if you're going to assume that, then how do you know Linux is secure? Derr.
"Secondly, if you've been screwed by a worm, that just shows how vulnerable you are to a person with even limited abilities."
Yep, I sure had limited abilities when I first started doing that type of work a couple of years ago. I heard you weren't terribly good at walking when you were young.;)
"I'm really wondering why you bother to bring up this point at all."
Because I fucked up.:) I didn't read the article. I did read an article recently about Linux as a desktop OS. I mistakenly assumed that's what they were referring to.
The basic plot of my response was "I'm sick of the argument, it's a waste of time, move on."
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I'd answer that if I didn't think you were trying to bait me into a failing grade of intelligence.
"Yeah well you're a Windows idiot. All you do is set it up with Linux and it just works!" -- That is basically the response I expect from my answers.
The truth of the matter here is that at the place I work everybody's computer is treated like they own it. They don't act as terminals. We don't have policies about who can install what. You own it. For a company our size, it works. People do upgrades. People install stuff. The computers move around. Etc etc.
My job is to make sure they stay up and running. I don't spend much time doing that. I don't have to do emergency Windows reinstalls. I don't have to do virus cleanup. (Despite popular belief, Outlook 2k is not that vulernable. Outlook express is another story...) I don't have to troubleshoot bluescreens. As a matter of fact, the only bluescreen I've seen in the last year had to do with my Sound Blaster Audigy card that has the worst drivers ever.
I'd be pulling my hair out right now if all the BS that gets spread about Windows was true.
(Note: We all use Win2k and the occasional copy of WinXP, Win95/98/Me was permanently banished from this office for being totally unreliable. Too bad the NT line's reputation here is tainted because of that, despite how unrelated those products are.)
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" My point is that the company in question makes important infrastructure decisions on the basis of hype." -- Fair point. My company didn't adopt Windows that way, but I see how you could mean that in a general sense.
"But I have also advised my boss not to do a massive Linux rollout. (a slow one - yes...to replace SOME Windows machines sure)"
Fair enough. I do think there are places that are perfect for it. I don't think my company is (as technology stands today) but on the other hand we're not exactly leaping at XP either. 2k is just the right balance for us. It's hard to want to change when it's all working.
"A corollary of this is that Linux may have to be insanely better in all aspects than Windows if is to catch on more. But I wasn't trying to make that point either."
I'm glad you didn't. I'm seeing your side of things now, but if you had gotten into that I probably would have dumped all understanding and went straight to arguing. I never claimed to be completely rational, but I do try to listen.:)
Cheers man.
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"Where do you work? do you have an internet connection? Has it been hacked yet? would you know?"
"You're correct, but the article is not about linux on the desktop."
Yeah I didn't realize that. And yes, I did not read the article. Part of the reason I responded was that I'm sick of this coming up. It's been well established that as a web server (and I assume mail server too) Linux is day and night superior to Windows. I've even jumped on that bandwagon. I built an Apache server for my company's site. When Lightwave's network renderer is available you can bet I'm going to get my old machines running again just to play with that. But I can't quite talk myself into using it to do my daily stuff. I've got VM-Ware, though. Hopefully the right distro'll come along...
"I personally wish the whole 'Linux on the Desktop' argument would go away for a few years. I run linux on many machines. I'd never run anything else on them. But give me OS X or WinXP to do my 'user like' computer stuff, please."
You and I share the same point of view.
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"And you've been r00ted how many times?"
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The only thing that ever got us was Nimda. I applied URLScan to the server, tweaked the rules, and no more issues.
"bad bad devs (Score:1, Redundant) Just grep the kernel sources for bad words, you'll be suprised (and amused;) )."
Looks like you shoulda grepped before you posted.;)
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" Here's another newsflash: You've had years to forget how much it hurt when you first started using it. Don't bs me otherwise. I cut my PC teeth on 3.1 and have cursed at every version up to and including XP."
So it didn't suit you. BFD. Doesn't mean it didn't suit everybody. You admitted yourself that everything sucks for different reasons. It runs both ways, my friend. Everything is good for various reasons as well. There are lots of things that Windows has always done better than Linux, and guess what, people care about them. How many gamers out there are running Linux exclusively? Blah blah blah.
There's two sides. There's ALWAYS two sides. Sticking to zealousy will not work.
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Ah.. glad ya clarified that for me. :)
Thank you.
" ``It seemed funny to me at the time.""
Heh I get what ya mean.
It seemed funny to pick on ya yesterday, today I feel like an ass. Go fig. Sorry man.
Cheers.
"It can't get any more clear than that."
You said I missed the point. That's your call to clarify your point. If you're unwilling to do that, fine. You're the one being misunderstood.
Have a good life.
"... it makes it possible to play pirated games but has some legal uses such as being able to install Linux."
.AVI's etc. For all I know it's in the works, but we never hear that. All we hear about is people wanting to install Linux on it. At best we hear about potential, but realistically it's not a computer of choice.
The concern that I have is that there is 0 good reason to install Linux on it. I mean, if there were a bunch of XBOX specific apps being built for it, I'd understand. I suggested the ability to play Divx
These guys could make their case better.
" The idea is to prevent Microsoft from jumping ship from the PC to a closed MS hardware platform for PCs which would truely exclude other OSs from the marketplace."
I'd buy that if he remained anonymous. Now he's the little guy who'll become a martyr when MS crushes down on them. He basically bought off the Slashdot community.
"The stereotypical Evil Company would keep the ability to run 3rd party software on the box to themselves; he's willing to let the world have it."
.avi's on my TV.
The XBOX plays nothing but 3rd party software. What they're trying to do is make the XBOX deviate from playing games.
The stereotypical Evil Company would keep the ability to run 3rd party software on the box to themselves; he's willing to let the world have it.
Waste of time if you ask me, at least until they make an interesting use of it. Personally, I'd buy and mod and XBOX right now if they could have it play Divx
Work on some apps to maek this useful and worthwhile to do, and I won't be whingey.
"You consider it immoral to try and run the software of your choice on one of your own computers?"
I'm amazed that you got modded up for that comment. It has nothing to do with how I feel about software, period. It has to do with the 'no reverse engineering' clause in the DMCA that MS could (as far as I know...) attack the Lindows CEO with if he pays out.
Whether or not I find it immoral has absolutely 0 bearing my comoment.
For the record, I'm all for hacking the XBOX. My comment does not contradict that.
"What I'd like to know is why he's putting up 200k as a reward instead of just funding some people on his own."
I wanna know how he can get away with encouraging people to violate the DMCA.
"Some people just don't know a joke when they hear one."
Sorry, "Put down origami and solve world hunger" doesn't quite earn a rimshot.
The guy funding the Linux XBOX project is a direct competitor of MS. Kinda cheapens the whole thing, duddn't it? At least that's how I felt.
I mean, if it works it works. But his motivations place him at MS's level.
I'm gonna send people with those bsod.gif.
(it's a variant of the old 'sending "LO BATT" to people with alphanumeric pagers' joke...)
"..last thing we need is some script kiddies mass mailing the goatse.cx guy to our cell phones."
Have you seen the resolution of these phones? People'd probably think you were playing Caverns of Mars or something.
What will animals look like in 250 million years? Who cares as long as my car runs.
Yeah I'm not surprised that Linux dudes are overloaded. Heh.
"What's the command to copy a file? Copy?"
"No, it's cp, and make sure to make it lower case!"
"Why isn't it just 'copy' like it is in Windows?"
"Shut up. It's job security."
"Yeesh. No wonder Linux guys like free software, they can't even afford to buy a vowel!"
Yeah, don't waste time clarifying your point or anything. Heh.
"Hmm, it seems many people have a lot of spare time on their hands. Perhaps it's time to start on that pesky little world hunger problem...."
Wow, you're full of ignorant comments today.
"Well first of all you are assuming you'd know if someone else 0wned your machines."
;)
Well, if you're going to assume that, then how do you know Linux is secure? Derr.
"Secondly, if you've been screwed by a worm, that just shows how vulnerable you are to a person with even limited abilities."
Yep, I sure had limited abilities when I first started doing that type of work a couple of years ago. I heard you weren't terribly good at walking when you were young.
"I'm really wondering why you bother to bring up this point at all."
:) I didn't read the article. I did read an article recently about Linux as a desktop OS. I mistakenly assumed that's what they were referring to.
Because I fucked up.
The basic plot of my response was "I'm sick of the argument, it's a waste of time, move on."
I'd answer that if I didn't think you were trying to bait me into a failing grade of intelligence.
"Yeah well you're a Windows idiot. All you do is set it up with Linux and it just works!" -- That is basically the response I expect from my answers.
The truth of the matter here is that at the place I work everybody's computer is treated like they own it. They don't act as terminals. We don't have policies about who can install what. You own it. For a company our size, it works. People do upgrades. People install stuff. The computers move around. Etc etc.
My job is to make sure they stay up and running. I don't spend much time doing that. I don't have to do emergency Windows reinstalls. I don't have to do virus cleanup. (Despite popular belief, Outlook 2k is not that vulernable. Outlook express is another story...) I don't have to troubleshoot bluescreens. As a matter of fact, the only bluescreen I've seen in the last year had to do with my Sound Blaster Audigy card that has the worst drivers ever.
I'd be pulling my hair out right now if all the BS that gets spread about Windows was true.
(Note: We all use Win2k and the occasional copy of WinXP, Win95/98/Me was permanently banished from this office for being totally unreliable. Too bad the NT line's reputation here is tainted because of that, despite how unrelated those products are.)
" My point is that the company in question makes important infrastructure decisions on the basis of hype." -- Fair point. My company didn't adopt Windows that way, but I see how you could mean that in a general sense.
:)
"But I have also advised my boss not to do a massive Linux rollout. (a slow one - yes...to replace SOME Windows machines sure)"
Fair enough. I do think there are places that are perfect for it. I don't think my company is (as technology stands today) but on the other hand we're not exactly leaping at XP either. 2k is just the right balance for us. It's hard to want to change when it's all working.
"A corollary of this is that Linux may have to be insanely better in all aspects than Windows if is to catch on more. But I wasn't trying to make that point either."
I'm glad you didn't. I'm seeing your side of things now, but if you had gotten into that I probably would have dumped all understanding and went straight to arguing. I never claimed to be completely rational, but I do try to listen.
Cheers man.
"Where do you work? do you have an internet connection? Has it been hacked yet? would you know?"
It's called Nunya Bidness. Yes. No. Yes.
"You're correct, but the article is not about linux on the desktop."
Yeah I didn't realize that. And yes, I did not read the article. Part of the reason I responded was that I'm sick of this coming up. It's been well established that as a web server (and I assume mail server too) Linux is day and night superior to Windows. I've even jumped on that bandwagon. I built an Apache server for my company's site. When Lightwave's network renderer is available you can bet I'm going to get my old machines running again just to play with that. But I can't quite talk myself into using it to do my daily stuff. I've got VM-Ware, though. Hopefully the right distro'll come along...
"I personally wish the whole 'Linux on the Desktop' argument would go away for a few years. I run linux on many machines. I'd never run anything else on them. But give me OS X or WinXP to do my 'user like' computer stuff, please."
You and I share the same point of view.
"And you've been r00ted how many times?"
0.
The only thing that ever got us was Nimda. I applied URLScan to the server, tweaked the rules, and no more issues.
"bad bad devs (Score:1, Redundant) ;) )."
;)
Just grep the kernel sources for bad words, you'll be suprised (and amused
Looks like you shoulda grepped before you posted.
" Here's another newsflash: You've had years to forget how much it hurt when you first started using it. Don't bs me otherwise. I cut my PC teeth on 3.1 and have cursed at every version up to and including XP."
So it didn't suit you. BFD. Doesn't mean it didn't suit everybody. You admitted yourself that everything sucks for different reasons. It runs both ways, my friend. Everything is good for various reasons as well. There are lots of things that Windows has always done better than Linux, and guess what, people care about them. How many gamers out there are running Linux exclusively? Blah blah blah.
There's two sides. There's ALWAYS two sides. Sticking to zealousy will not work.