I was cheering you on as I read until I realized this very important fatal flaw in your point: more people speak English than any other language. Chinese is the most common first language. But it loses to English in popularity if you include non-native speakers.
I get your point, but I don't think you get the scale of the issue here. The worst offending CPU right now consumes ~100W of power. Less than 3/4th of that is dissipated as heat. That's a small incandescent light bulb. That's not much of an impact on your overall house temperature.
Aside from the electricity bill issue that someone else raised, the only problem is getting the heat away from that tiny 10mm^2 die fast enough to keep it from overheating. Once the heat is in the air, it becomes negligible. Even a 5000W CPU wouldn't be hard to manage.
How much heat does your refrigerator spew out the back?
You're spot-on with the heat issue, and thanks to some clever blokes at Purdue University, here's your new direction.
Unfortunately for you it's not the de-integration you predict, rather more still more integration with a very clever, very scaleable, amazingly efficient, built-in cooling system.
Not today, but probably very soon, chips will cool themselves thanks to nano-technology and Purdue University's clever self-ventilating technology where microfluidic-like layers pump heat-laden air off-chip using a classic "corona wind" effect.
It's very new news, and not a lot of people realize the impact yet. Cooling is the problem, not scaling. This will allow performance and levels of integration several orders of magnitude greater than otherwise possible.
Good article too (linked above). Check it out. The printed version off EETimes has some great explanatory graphics too, but those don't seem to be on the web version.
Eh? Ever hear of the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA)? I'd say those are some pretty good rights, including the ability to get back pay (with penalties and interest) long after a bad deed is done. Please don't take a story about some bad companies (who are no doubt headed for trouble on this) and make broad, sweeping US-bashing statements that aren't really true. There are plenty of valid points on which to bash the US, but I don't think this is one of them. The rights are there. The companies in this story violated them, and are subject to penalties because of it. Read the site -- the punishment can be tough, including prison time:
violations may be prosecuted criminally and the violator fined up to $10,000. A second conviction may result in imprisonment.
And what's that about companies not paying taxes? What color is the sky on your planet?
Surprise! The USDOL doesn't allow averaging for hourly, non-exempt employees -- ever. I suppose one might arrange such a deal, and as long as neither party complains ever, then the DOL would be none the wiser. But if the employee ever decided he or she didn't like it, the employer would be in trouble. That'd be a bad agreement for the employer, in the long run.
Contracts that violate federal law, even when agreed to by both parties, are unenforceable.
This isn't flamebait mods. It's not even stating anything, just asking a question. Lighten up please, it doesn't healp our cause to jump to harsh, unwarranted judgments ourselves. Isn't that why we don't like this new policy, after all?
The "Dig" part of the "Big Dig" ended this January. They're still hauling away parts of the 93 overpasses (the real Green Monster), but there's no more digging and all tunnels are open. My old 1-hr nightmare ride to the airport is 15-20 min in max traffic.
And, of course, they've yet to plant all the gardens and parks they plan to put in place of the 93 overpasses, but the digging is over. Thank Bob.
Right, and in MA it's 5%. Short of you giving me your return from last year to compare, I can't do much better than indicate the max rates for each state. 9.3% max vs 5% max puts the edge in MA to me, since' I'm in the top bracket.
I guess were I an illegal immigrant looking to have my kid educated in his native tongue, fond of race riots, employed "fighting" crime, or a welfare mommy, CA would win, hand down.
How about California, with much higher taxes, way more crime, race riots, $2/gallon gasoline, crappy schools wasting resources to teach in 12 languages, and a huge chunk of tax revenues going to social services for illegal immigrants? You like that better? At least you get what you pay for in MA, which is less than you pay (and more than you get) in CA.
I don't get it. I have a tech job in MA, and I've hired 5 people in the last year here. Some of them came from CA, where "there were no tech jobs to be had that weren't whored out to H1B's". Yeah, competition is fierce and people judge you based on measurable performance and experience -- sandals and a "whoah dude" attitude do not fool New Englanders into thinking you're so good that you're that cool.
Sorry it didn't work out for you, but for many it does. Me, for example.
Now, how is this +1 Informative again? Oh, that mod didn't get the job he wanted in MA either, I guess. Good for us.
You'd do well to back up some of those "traditional Mass-bashing" with some current stats.
High Taxes (income, property, real estate, car, excise).
MA income tax is 5%. California's is 9.3%.
MA sales tax is 5%. CA is 6%.
MA property tax is average 1-2% (mine is 1.232 in Natick). CA is 3%.
Car taxes are much higher in CA (don't have number, but neither did you, and I lived in both). Excise is town-specific and easy to avoid.
Lots of gubmint interference
Where in the US isn't there? This is meaningless.
High fees for lic, reg, insurance, title, etc. etc.
It was cheaper by 3x to buy, reg, and license my car in MA than CA. Look it up.
PITA to own a gun for self defense.
PITA if you're a felon. Yeah. So?
Outrageous cost of housing
Only valid point -- but why is housing expensive? Because it's a good place to live -- the market couldn't bear the prices if people wouldn't pay it. I just bought a nice 3BR on.5 acre in Natick (15 in from Boston) for $370k. $1M+ for similar in CA.
6 months of winter, and the roads are salted so your car will rot out (sheds tear for his decapitated but loved car)
4 months of winter, and some of us like not sweating anytime we're outside. Skiing is nice. And you can always put on a jacket. Back in AZ or FL or even So. CA -- you can only take off so much clothing before you get arrested. And if you have a job, you can't stay in the pool all day. Nice places to vacation, since you can spend it in the water, but I hated living there. To each his own, I guess.
Lots of rudeness and Hate (A house for sale near Boston was set on fire by White neighbors when they discovered the people buying it were Black)
Nice anecdote -- I'm sure nothing like that has ever happened anywhere else. Never any race riots in CA, always in MA, right?
The RMV is staffed by people who actively enjoy being rude and hateful.
Natick, MA property tax is currently 1232/mill, which is 1.232%.
Last years property tax on the $370k ($290k assessed) house I just bought in Natick, MA (an upscale, highly-desirable are with the best schools, lowest crime, and an insanely high police/fire/service-to-person ratio etc.) amounted to ~$3500.
And, while we're at it, I pay $1.67 for a gallon 93 octane down the street. What do you pay in IL? CA? It's more than $2/gal. in San Diego right now.
Unless you're talking cigarettes ($5-6/pack), "Taxachusetts" is a misnomer, at least it is these days.
You sir, have been slashdot-dotted (to extend the cnn-dotted thing to it's logical extent, thereby completing the circle in a confusing, non-circular way). Seems we made tou take it down.:) But thanks for trying.
And, since several other posters seem confused on this top, I believe open space refers to available commercial real estate, as in buildings available that are suitable for high-tech work.
Not "open space" as in "nothing there", else Alaska would be the hands-down winner.
I know MA taxes are higher than, say FL, where I grew up. But I'm afraid the "Taxachussetts" moniker may be more mythical than you realize.
MA: 5% income tax, 5% sales tax
CA: 9.30% income tax, 6% sales tax
Like I said in another post, it may have something to do with "Taxifornia" sounding so odd:)
But, to each his own -- I don't put much faith or stock in this study, but I know I'm happy (and very gainfully employed, with lots of local oppotunities should I want to change jobs) in MA.
Have you ever been to MA? Where do I find this $6/scoop ice cream. It must be amazingly delicious, given that the state is riddled with ice cream shops that do a healthy business even with snow on the ground, and I've never seen more than a buck a scoop anywhere.
Hmm, wouldn't that be "Ovah here"? Native indeed.:)
Seriously, 7ish years ago I moved from Florida to New England (Natick, a small town about 15-20min East of Boston, just past 128), and I work for NEC Electronics America 5 minutes away in Framingham. I love it. I like going to Boston to eat and have fun (though increasingly there's more and more to do in Metrowest), and I enjoy the proximity to NYC and pretty good skiing (got a nice ski house in Madison, NH). But, I can imagine living in Boston itself would suck badly.
Given that (1) I have no commute and (2) I just bought a nice house on a half-acre in one of the safest towns in the country for under $400k, I may be biased, but noting that (3) sales tax is only 5% like the state income tax, (4) there's none of either 30 min away in New Hampshire where the nice outlets and ultra-cheap liquor stores are, and (5) I still get 3-5 calls from local recruiters with good, relevant, local job opportunities each week, I'd say the grass is pretty damn green. That may be because I'm an ASIC designer with lots of physical-implentation experience (not an RTL-coder) and that particular field doesn't seem to have suffered much during the dot-bomb, but I am being admittedly anecdotal here, so YMMV.
I've lived and worked in CA (San Jose and Santa Clara) before, and IMHO the quality of life (and work opportunities) there leaves much to be desired in comparison. Crime. Illegal immigration. Taxes! (They only call it Taxachussetts because Taxifornia sounds weird).
Hmm, come to think of it -- nevermind, it sucks -- don't come here, you slacksadaisacal wild-eyed wrong-coasters will only trample the fine grass in our quaint little silicon village:)
Did you read the linked site which explains the weaknesses of these "security" products? I think not, for the issues described aren't bugs or obscure exploits -- they are obvious and wide-open for anyone to see who even bothers to look a little. It's obvious from the implementations that the programs do not even try to do what they are claimed to do.
Just when I was about to lose it and stop reading/. because of the insane level of liberal bias in the moderation, I see your post at +4 and a smidgen of hope for sane discourse glimmered on the screen and I calmed down a bit.
Thanks to the 2-3 clueful mods who don't feel the need to tow the anti-Bush line.
Now I'm going to go play some Battlefield:Vietnam and take out some frustration after reading the bullshit in the rest of this thread.
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I was cheering you on as I read until I realized this very important fatal flaw in your point: more people speak English than any other language. Chinese is the most common first language. But it loses to English in popularity if you include non-native speakers.
Nice try though!
I get your point, but I don't think you get the scale of the issue here. The worst offending CPU right now consumes ~100W of power. Less than 3/4th of that is dissipated as heat. That's a small incandescent light bulb. That's not much of an impact on your overall house temperature.
Aside from the electricity bill issue that someone else raised, the only problem is getting the heat away from that tiny 10mm^2 die fast enough to keep it from overheating. Once the heat is in the air, it becomes negligible. Even a 5000W CPU wouldn't be hard to manage.
How much heat does your refrigerator spew out the back?
You're spot-on with the heat issue, and thanks to some clever blokes at Purdue University, here's your new direction.
Unfortunately for you it's not the de-integration you predict, rather more still more integration with a very clever, very scaleable, amazingly efficient, built-in cooling system.
It is, and it is.
Willful violations may be prosecuted criminally and the violator fined up to $10,000. A second conviction may result in imprisonment.
Not today, but probably very soon, chips will cool themselves thanks to nano-technology and Purdue University's clever self-ventilating technology where microfluidic-like layers pump heat-laden air off-chip using a classic "corona wind" effect.
It's very new news, and not a lot of people realize the impact yet. Cooling is the problem, not scaling. This will allow performance and levels of integration several orders of magnitude greater than otherwise possible.
Good article too (linked above). Check it out. The printed version off EETimes has some great explanatory graphics too, but those don't seem to be on the web version.
Employees in the U.S. have so few rights
Eh? Ever hear of the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA)? I'd say those are some pretty good rights, including the ability to get back pay (with penalties and interest) long after a bad deed is done. Please don't take a story about some bad companies (who are no doubt headed for trouble on this) and make broad, sweeping US-bashing statements that aren't really true. There are plenty of valid points on which to bash the US, but I don't think this is one of them. The rights are there. The companies in this story violated them, and are subject to penalties because of it. Read the site -- the punishment can be tough, including prison time:
violations may be prosecuted criminally and the violator fined up to $10,000. A second conviction may result in imprisonment.
And what's that about companies not paying taxes? What color is the sky on your planet?
Surprise! The USDOL doesn't allow averaging for hourly, non-exempt employees -- ever. I suppose one might arrange such a deal, and as long as neither party complains ever, then the DOL would be none the wiser. But if the employee ever decided he or she didn't like it, the employer would be in trouble. That'd be a bad agreement for the employer, in the long run.
Contracts that violate federal law, even when agreed to by both parties, are unenforceable.
This isn't flamebait mods. It's not even stating anything, just asking a question. Lighten up please, it doesn't healp our cause to jump to harsh, unwarranted judgments ourselves. Isn't that why we don't like this new policy, after all?
when I make a connecting flight through the US
Er, you don't go through customs if you're just connecting in the US (i.e., your final destination is a non-US city). Just for the record.
And, since you're clearly not much of an international traveler yourself, you needn't worry much about it.
A can of wine? ew.
That's almost as gross as Fanta.
The "Dig" part of the "Big Dig" ended this January. They're still hauling away parts of the 93 overpasses (the real Green Monster), but there's no more digging and all tunnels are open. My old 1-hr nightmare ride to the airport is 15-20 min in max traffic.
And, of course, they've yet to plant all the gardens and parks they plan to put in place of the 93 overpasses, but the digging is over. Thank Bob.
Heh, that'd be West. Sorry :)
Right, and in MA it's 5%. Short of you giving me your return from last year to compare, I can't do much better than indicate the max rates for each state. 9.3% max vs 5% max puts the edge in MA to me, since' I'm in the top bracket.
I guess were I an illegal immigrant looking to have my kid educated in his native tongue, fond of race riots, employed "fighting" crime, or a welfare mommy, CA would win, hand down.
How about California, with much higher taxes, way more crime, race riots, $2/gallon gasoline, crappy schools wasting resources to teach in 12 languages, and a huge chunk of tax revenues going to social services for illegal immigrants? You like that better? At least you get what you pay for in MA, which is less than you pay (and more than you get) in CA.
Update your state stereotypes -- you're so 1970.
I don't get it. I have a tech job in MA, and I've hired 5 people in the last year here. Some of them came from CA, where "there were no tech jobs to be had that weren't whored out to H1B's". Yeah, competition is fierce and people judge you based on measurable performance and experience -- sandals and a "whoah dude" attitude do not fool New Englanders into thinking you're so good that you're that cool.
Sorry it didn't work out for you, but for many it does. Me, for example.
Now, how is this +1 Informative again? Oh, that mod didn't get the job he wanted in MA either, I guess. Good for us.
You'd do well to back up some of those "traditional Mass-bashing" with some current stats.
.5 acre in Natick (15 in from Boston) for $370k. $1M+ for similar in CA.
High Taxes (income, property, real estate, car, excise).
MA income tax is 5%. California's is 9.3%.
MA sales tax is 5%. CA is 6%. MA property tax is average 1-2% (mine is 1.232 in Natick). CA is 3%. Car taxes are much higher in CA (don't have number, but neither did you, and I lived in both). Excise is town-specific and easy to avoid.
Lots of gubmint interference
Where in the US isn't there? This is meaningless.
High fees for lic, reg, insurance, title, etc. etc.
It was cheaper by 3x to buy, reg, and license my car in MA than CA. Look it up.
PITA to own a gun for self defense.
PITA if you're a felon. Yeah. So?
Outrageous cost of housing
Only valid point -- but why is housing expensive? Because it's a good place to live -- the market couldn't bear the prices if people wouldn't pay it. I just bought a nice 3BR on
6 months of winter, and the roads are salted so your car will rot out (sheds tear for his decapitated but loved car)
4 months of winter, and some of us like not sweating anytime we're outside. Skiing is nice. And you can always put on a jacket. Back in AZ or FL or even So. CA -- you can only take off so much clothing before you get arrested. And if you have a job, you can't stay in the pool all day. Nice places to vacation, since you can spend it in the water, but I hated living there. To each his own, I guess.
Lots of rudeness and Hate (A house for sale near Boston was set on fire by White neighbors when they discovered the people buying it were Black)
Nice anecdote -- I'm sure nothing like that has ever happened anywhere else. Never any race riots in CA, always in MA, right?
The RMV is staffed by people who actively enjoy being rude and hateful.
This, my friend, is universal.
Natick, MA property tax is currently 1232/mill, which is 1.232%.
Last years property tax on the $370k ($290k assessed) house I just bought in Natick, MA (an upscale, highly-desirable are with the best schools, lowest crime, and an insanely high police/fire/service-to-person ratio etc.) amounted to ~$3500.
And, while we're at it, I pay $1.67 for a gallon 93 octane down the street. What do you pay in IL? CA? It's more than $2/gal. in San Diego right now.
Unless you're talking cigarettes ($5-6/pack), "Taxachusetts" is a misnomer, at least it is these days.
You sir, have been slashdot-dotted (to extend the cnn-dotted thing to it's logical extent, thereby completing the circle in a confusing, non-circular way). Seems we made tou take it down. :) But thanks for trying.
And, since several other posters seem confused on this top, I believe open space refers to available commercial real estate, as in buildings available that are suitable for high-tech work.
Not "open space" as in "nothing there", else Alaska would be the hands-down winner.
Mass is only 10 sq miles in size
Hmm, you might want to re-check your own link:
Massachusetts covers 10,555 square miles, making it the 44 largest of the 50 states.
Yeah, it's small (44th of 50), but you're off by more than 3 orders of magnitude.
Psst: the Big Dig ended.
:)
I know MA taxes are higher than, say FL, where I grew up. But I'm afraid the "Taxachussetts" moniker may be more mythical than you realize.
MA: 5% income tax, 5% sales tax
CA: 9.30% income tax, 6% sales tax
Like I said in another post, it may have something to do with "Taxifornia" sounding so odd
But, to each his own -- I don't put much faith or stock in this study, but I know I'm happy (and very gainfully employed, with lots of local oppotunities should I want to change jobs) in MA.
Have you ever been to MA? Where do I find this $6/scoop ice cream. It must be amazingly delicious, given that the state is riddled with ice cream shops that do a healthy business even with snow on the ground, and I've never seen more than a buck a scoop anywhere.
Hmm, wouldn't that be "Ovah here"? Native indeed. :)
:)
Seriously, 7ish years ago I moved from Florida to New England (Natick, a small town about 15-20min East of Boston, just past 128), and I work for NEC Electronics America 5 minutes away in Framingham. I love it. I like going to Boston to eat and have fun (though increasingly there's more and more to do in Metrowest), and I enjoy the proximity to NYC and pretty good skiing (got a nice ski house in Madison, NH). But, I can imagine living in Boston itself would suck badly.
Given that (1) I have no commute and (2) I just bought a nice house on a half-acre in one of the safest towns in the country for under $400k, I may be biased, but noting that (3) sales tax is only 5% like the state income tax, (4) there's none of either 30 min away in New Hampshire where the nice outlets and ultra-cheap liquor stores are, and (5) I still get 3-5 calls from local recruiters with good, relevant, local job opportunities each week, I'd say the grass is pretty damn green. That may be because I'm an ASIC designer with lots of physical-implentation experience (not an RTL-coder) and that particular field doesn't seem to have suffered much during the dot-bomb, but I am being admittedly anecdotal here, so YMMV.
I've lived and worked in CA (San Jose and Santa Clara) before, and IMHO the quality of life (and work opportunities) there leaves much to be desired in comparison. Crime. Illegal immigration. Taxes! (They only call it Taxachussetts because Taxifornia sounds weird).
Hmm, come to think of it -- nevermind, it sucks -- don't come here, you slacksadaisacal wild-eyed wrong-coasters will only trample the fine grass in our quaint little silicon village
Did you read the linked site which explains the weaknesses of these "security" products? I think not, for the issues described aren't bugs or obscure exploits -- they are obvious and wide-open for anyone to see who even bothers to look a little. It's obvious from the implementations that the programs do not even try to do what they are claimed to do.
Just when I was about to lose it and stop reading /. because of the insane level of liberal bias in the moderation, I see your post at +4 and a smidgen of hope for sane discourse glimmered on the screen and I calmed down a bit.
Thanks to the 2-3 clueful mods who don't feel the need to tow the anti-Bush line.
Now I'm going to go play some Battlefield:Vietnam and take out some frustration after reading the bullshit in the rest of this thread.
we should consider parts of the country that haven't even received narrow-band telephone lines
Like where? Do the penguins in Northern Alaska need phones now or something? I think you're confused.