While I'll admit it was born by Christians with an agenda, pure ID has merit as another theory. I think everyone is too hung up on the agenda created around ID. Perhaps it's too late to decouple ID and a Christian agenda due to its history, but i still think it has a place in education in some form, and yes perhaps in science class as one theory. Of course, then the Flying Spaghetti Monster parody fans will step in...
yes, as a matter of fact, it is. It's a made-up PR campaign generated by the Discovery Institute. It doesn't even have the dubious distinction of being supported by Scripture.
If it's not in Scripture and if you consider Christianity as literally the Bible, then by definition ID isn't of Christianity.
Intelligent Design is a specific bit of pseudo-scientific hokum, and it's clearly engineered as a lead-in to fundamentalist Christianity.
But ID asserts there is an intelligent cause versus natural selection as the origin of life and the universe and doesn't claim the existence specifically of the Abrahamic god. If you or others want to take it as a lead-in to Christianity, that's your choice.
Until science can definitively determine the origin of matter, they can put ID in science class in my opinion. ID is a hypothesis just like the big bang.
No, actually, it isn't. The fact that you don't understand the basic concepts involved doesn't mean that other people should be subjected to your ignorance and be softened up so that your propaganda can infect their mind and make it more likely they'll come play make believe in your weekend dress up club with you.
ID is only propaganda when it's manipulated by the extremists on both sides of the debate. The problem is you're viewing ID as strictly being framed in the context of a Christian god, which it isn't necessarily.
Did God wind the watch of the Universe? If not, what did? Science isn't really ready to answer that one. Science isn't even sure it can.
Intelligent Design is an attempt to cloak Creationism in the trappings of science. It is wickedness; it uses logical fallacies, deceptions, and outright lies to promote its hidden agenda, and all who claim otherwise -- without exception -- are either stupid or lying. (I note you've made no such claim; I'm simply underscoring the problem.)
You want to say that some people think God created the Heavens and the Earth? That's a true statement, some people do, and this merits discussion. You want to say God created the Heavens and the Earth? Science disagrees, holding as it does a compelling theory concerning the creation of all things
How can science disagree that God created the Heavens and Earth if its "compelling theory" is just that, a theory, and as you say, it isn't ready to answer the question of whether God wound the watch of the universe? It sounds like no disagreement and just a lot of questions and theories to me.
No, there's not. "ID" is lies, start to finish, a perversion of and an affront to science.
If you think there's a place for the idea that god -- specifically, your god -- created the Earth in my schools, you come right out and say it, just like that. You'll still be wrong, but you won't be lying.
What's ironic about ID is that most hardcore literal Bible interpretation Christians I know abhor ID because "pure" ID doesn't define the Christian God or any God as the creator. In ID martians, your cat, or Tom Brokaw could be the creator. This should make Flying Spaghetti Monster fans and Christian bashers happy.
Since you know ID is lies I assume you've disproved it?
Ultimately, I think there's a place for both evolution and ID in schools, in the appropriate context.
If by "in the appropriate context" you mean "evolution in science class and ID in religion class", then you'll get no argument from this atheist.
Until science can definitively determine the origin of matter, they can put ID in science class in my opinion. ID is a hypothesis just like the big bang.
The thing is, the act of faith means accepting the book as literal truth.
Not necessarily. There's many of us who have faith but recognize "the book" as the word inspired by God and not necessarily of God. This tends to make the debate a bit messy....especially if one reveals (like me) that they believe in both ID and evolution as intertwined and both occurring. I think, unfortunately too many people throw faith under the bus based on the literal interpretation folks.
Ultimately, I think there's a place for both evolution and ID in schools, in the appropriate context.
If Motorola could make a phone that doesn't drop every other call or have the OS not lag behind keystrokes or crash I'd be impressed. I've stuck with Motorola for the past ten years based on their performance back in the "good old days" of analog cell phones. I've been continually disappointed. I'm using my last Motorola phone. Thanks for producing shiny garbage, Motorola, you're not getting any more money out of me.
Folks, don't confuse sales with usage. There's no accurate way to count Linux sales. Even if you count commercial distro sales, it still can't reflect true Linux usage. Take a deep breath and understand what the statistic is saying.
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So teaching ID for one or two classes will wreck all our future scientists? So what caused US science to decline the past couple years before ID was in vogue? I can't recall seeing any book burnings or intellectuals being rounded up.
Perhaps the US lagging in science is because we're too busy downloading ring tones for cell phones, arguing which Linux distro rules, or viewing pr0n.
I don't like George Bush either, but y'all seem to be losing your minds over religion and ID. Did you ever think maybe it's just because our educational system sucks and our economy and post-dot-com mindset has taken money away from science?
You can't be serious if you really think the radical right is diverting teaching time away from real science or censoring books and that is having an effect on US science.
New Slashdot motto: If you can't blame it on Bill Gates, the RIAA, or the MPAA, blame it on religion!
...take whatever the hell job you can find, cause there isn't squat out there right now. Not many people have the luxury of pondering such questions these days.
Why not bring back a species that was extinct due to the actions of mankind like the Dodo bird, rather than something that nature or God extincted, probably for some "valid" reason ? It seems more fitting to bring something back that we destroyed by our own ignorance or greed.
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How do you test the Big Bang theory?
While I'll admit it was born by Christians with an agenda, pure ID has merit as another theory. I think everyone is too hung up on the agenda created around ID. Perhaps it's too late to decouple ID and a Christian agenda due to its history, but i still think it has a place in education in some form, and yes perhaps in science class as one theory. Of course, then the Flying Spaghetti Monster parody fans will step in...
No, it's just not worthy arguing with pissy arrogant people who act like dickweeds.
Are you one of those clowns who thinks it's extreme that your boss will fire you if you fail to show up on time and do your job at work?
I am the boss at my workplace. If I was your boss I'd be asking you how those lab experiments to prove evolution were coming along.
yes, as a matter of fact, it is. It's a made-up PR campaign generated by the Discovery Institute. It doesn't even have the dubious distinction of being supported by Scripture.
If it's not in Scripture and if you consider Christianity as literally the Bible, then by definition ID isn't of Christianity.
Intelligent Design is a specific bit of pseudo-scientific hokum, and it's clearly engineered as a lead-in to fundamentalist Christianity.
But ID asserts there is an intelligent cause versus natural selection as the origin of life and the universe and doesn't claim the existence specifically of the Abrahamic god. If you or others want to take it as a lead-in to Christianity, that's your choice.
Until science can definitively determine the origin of matter, they can put ID in science class in my opinion. ID is a hypothesis just like the big bang.
No, actually, it isn't. The fact that you don't understand the basic concepts involved doesn't mean that other people should be subjected to your ignorance and be softened up so that your propaganda can infect their mind and make it more likely they'll come play make believe in your weekend dress up club with you.
ID is only propaganda when it's manipulated by the extremists on both sides of the debate. The problem is you're viewing ID as strictly being framed in the context of a Christian god, which it isn't necessarily.
How can science disagree that God created the Heavens and Earth if its "compelling theory" is just that, a theory, and as you say, it isn't ready to answer the question of whether God wound the watch of the universe? It sounds like no disagreement and just a lot of questions and theories to me.
Teach them critical thinking and to detect lies.
No bias in that statement... {/cynicism}
No, there's not. "ID" is lies, start to finish, a perversion of and an affront to science.
If you think there's a place for the idea that god -- specifically, your god -- created the Earth in my schools, you come right out and say it, just like that. You'll still be wrong, but you won't be lying.
What's ironic about ID is that most hardcore literal Bible interpretation Christians I know abhor ID because "pure" ID doesn't define the Christian God or any God as the creator. In ID martians, your cat, or Tom Brokaw could be the creator. This should make Flying Spaghetti Monster fans and Christian bashers happy.
Since you know ID is lies I assume you've disproved it?
Ultimately, I think there's a place for both evolution and ID in schools, in the appropriate context.
If by "in the appropriate context" you mean "evolution in science class and ID in religion class", then you'll get no argument from this atheist.
Until science can definitively determine the origin of matter, they can put ID in science class in my opinion. ID is a hypothesis just like the big bang.
The thing is, the act of faith means accepting the book as literal truth.
Not necessarily. There's many of us who have faith but recognize "the book" as the word inspired by God and not necessarily of God. This tends to make the debate a bit messy....especially if one reveals (like me) that they believe in both ID and evolution as intertwined and both occurring. I think, unfortunately too many people throw faith under the bus based on the literal interpretation folks.
Ultimately, I think there's a place for both evolution and ID in schools, in the appropriate context.
If Motorola could make a phone that doesn't drop every other call or have the OS not lag behind keystrokes or crash I'd be impressed. I've stuck with Motorola for the past ten years based on their performance back in the "good old days" of analog cell phones. I've been continually disappointed. I'm using my last Motorola phone. Thanks for producing shiny garbage, Motorola, you're not getting any more money out of me.
Pittsburgh isn't as bad as Hazleton or Reading! :-)
When did Philadelphia take over the rest of Pennsylvania and rename it?
The state of Philadelphia should sieze the hard drives of the Slashdot Editors for lousy journalism.
Folks, don't confuse sales with usage. There's no accurate way to count Linux sales. Even if you count commercial distro sales, it still can't reflect true Linux usage. Take a deep breath and understand what the statistic is saying.
{ Waiting for Microsoft evil empire conspiracy posts... }
So teaching ID for one or two classes will wreck all our future scientists? So what caused US science to decline the past couple years before ID was in vogue? I can't recall seeing any book burnings or intellectuals being rounded up.
Perhaps the US lagging in science is because we're too busy downloading ring tones for cell phones, arguing which Linux distro rules, or viewing pr0n.
I don't like George Bush either, but y'all seem to be losing your minds over religion and ID. Did you ever think maybe it's just because our educational system sucks and our economy and post-dot-com mindset has taken money away from science?
How does the advancement of ID wreck all US science initiatives?
You can't be serious if you really think the radical right is diverting teaching time away from real science or censoring books and that is having an effect on US science. New Slashdot motto: If you can't blame it on Bill Gates, the RIAA, or the MPAA, blame it on religion!
You can get 7400s at Newark Electronics here. Hurry, I think they have only 10 million left in stock.... I they run out I have a couple in my junkbox.
...take whatever the hell job you can find, cause there isn't squat out there right now. Not many people have the luxury of pondering such questions these days.
Why not bring back a species that was extinct due to the actions of mankind like the Dodo bird, rather than something that nature or God extincted, probably for some "valid" reason ? It seems more fitting to bring something back that we destroyed by our own ignorance or greed.
Yosemite Sam did this in a cartoon. He was "Yosemite Sam of Outer Space" and used various robots to go into Bugs Bunny's home to root him out.