ok, but what if YOU decide to sell it? Do individual contributors get compensated for your gains. If so, then yes, there could be no more fair of an agreement.
If there was a realistic way of doing that then yes we would. Suggestions?
Wow, you mean you actually think the agreement you made up for your own software is fair...
Do you think the MySQL licensing agreement is fair?
Just to clarify that, peercast.org isn`t a business as in it doesn`t have a business plan. The commercial license is there to stop other people from making money from the efforts of the people who programmed it, as a way of generating revenue its about as useful as relying on donations to pay the rent. Sadly, thats the reality of business on the Internet these days.
Actually, that thread was about "when" not "if" it was going to be OSd.
The license is GPL if you don`t intend it sell your app, its commercial if you do. Which I think is fair, unless you think we should spend our time coding so other people can make money?
Its quite funny because some not to unknown people advised us not to make it OS; "you`re damned if you do, damned if you don`t" they said. I can see why now;-)
As someone else mentioned, the GPL doesn`t give anyone rights to modify our tree, if you don`t like the idea of your code being in the main branch, then fork.
f) is common sense, if you submit a patch that gets accepted then you can`t really expect us to be able to roll back N versions if you suddenly decide you don`t want it in there anymore.
BTW peercast.org isn`t a business, we don`t have any legal staff, we`ve got a few programmers working in their spare time.
Lately I see more and more companies release their program/product under the General Public License, saying that, if you want to use it in a commercial product you have to buy a commercial license.
I think its because alot of GPLd projects have been abused by both large companies and freeloading spy/adware makers. This is the main reason we have the commercial license in there at least. It would be great if we could do what MySQL have manage to do, ie. stay GPLd and funded at the same time. As you say, an updated GPL license that clarified this a little better would be very welcomed. We`d certainly use it.
I don`t know how much projects like MySQL get from licensing their source for commercial use, but I suspect its not a few million. Its more likely slightly less than enough to keep the project going.
Tip jars: Don't work...
I tried for years to rely on a tip jar, but despite having tens of thousands of daily users it never paid for more than coffee...
Hmm. that is depressingly true, but I don`t think we should give up all hope on it. People get more emotionally attached to music than software and the only thing missing from paying for music online instead of CD is that you get something tangible with CD - that shrink wrapped, glossy inlay, sparkling new jewel case feeling.
Of course for most people that only lasts a day or so before its thrown in with the others, at which point it just becomes a collection of bits that you`d probably much rather have on your HD/iPod than CD..
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ok, but what if YOU decide to sell it? Do individual contributors get compensated for your gains. If so, then yes, there could be no more fair of an agreement.
If there was a realistic way of doing that then yes we would. Suggestions?
Wow, you mean you actually think the agreement you made up for your own software is fair...
Do you think the MySQL licensing agreement is fair?
Just to clarify that, peercast.org isn`t a business as in it doesn`t have a business plan. The commercial license is there to stop other people from making money from the efforts of the people who programmed it, as a way of generating revenue its about as useful as relying on donations to pay the rent.
Sadly, thats the reality of business on the Internet these days.
Actually, that thread was about "when" not "if" it was going to be OSd.
;-)
The license is GPL if you don`t intend it sell your app, its commercial if you do. Which I think is fair, unless you think we should spend our time coding so other people can make money?
Its quite funny because some not to unknown people advised us not to make it OS; "you`re damned if you do, damned if you don`t" they said.
I can see why now
As someone else mentioned, the GPL doesn`t give anyone rights to modify our tree, if you don`t like the idea of your code being in the main branch, then fork.
f) is common sense, if you submit a patch that gets accepted then you can`t really expect us to be able to roll back N versions if you suddenly decide you don`t want it in there anymore.
BTW peercast.org isn`t a business, we don`t have any legal staff, we`ve got a few programmers working in their spare time.
I think its because alot of GPLd projects have been abused by both large companies and freeloading spy/adware makers. This is the main reason we have the commercial license in there at least. It would be great if we could do what MySQL have manage to do, ie. stay GPLd and funded at the same time. As you say, an updated GPL license that clarified this a little better would be very welcomed. We`d certainly use it.
Yeah sure... how many crackers will adhere to this condition?
None. Its there to let well meaning hackers know what they should/should not do after they`ve downloaded the source.
I don`t know how much projects like MySQL get from licensing their source for commercial use, but I suspect its not a few million. Its more likely slightly less than enough to keep the project going.
Tip jars: Don't work... I tried for years to rely on a tip jar, but despite having tens of thousands of daily users it never paid for more than coffee...
Hmm. that is depressingly true, but I don`t think we should give up all hope on it. People get more emotionally attached to music than software and the only thing missing from paying for music online instead of CD is that you get something tangible with CD - that shrink wrapped, glossy inlay, sparkling new jewel case feeling.
Of course for most people that only lasts a day or so before its thrown in with the others, at which point it just becomes a collection of bits that you`d probably much rather have on your HD/iPod than CD..