Your take on the Senate would be accurate if everyone voted the party line. Zell Miller(D-Hell) comes to mind.
It does not matter, the democrats controlled the agenda! They decided wht bills came up when, so exactly what bill did they bring that would address the issue that the big bad republicans voted against?
Since the Supremes don't really come into the lawmaking process until after the fact(so to speak), and then have a proven 5-4 track record as far as the whole voting issue goes, I think my point's pretty valid.
Hey youre theone who brought the SC up, I know pointing out you were deadwrong makes you want to ignore that so Ill be a nice guy and let you slide on that one.
What makes your point compleatly invalid is the fat that election laws are pretty much a states issue so you should be asking what have the teh steaes done about this..
Naa, there is an ourside chance that conservatives could cost bush the election this year (like they did his father in 1992. But all that will do is pull them back in when Kerry starts trying to push a very liberal agenda. Both parties have been on the verge of splittion for almost four years.
On the republican side you have Bush doing everything he can to piss off conservatives, and on the Democrat side the only thing you have is 'he's not Bush'... Not really a solid base for either party..
Let's see...
- Republican president
- Republican-controlled House
- Republican-controlled Senate AND
- 5-to-4 Repuglican control of the Supreme Court
President: Yes
House: Yes
Senate: From 2000 - 2002 the Democrats held the majority 50-49-1 (D) - (R) - (I) with the defection for Jeffords who was a republican, went indep, and caucases with the Democrats.
Supreme Court: Neither party controls the court, the court rules for the boy scouts one day, and against the ten commandments the next, the day after striking down a texas sodomy law. It really is a rather unpredictable body right now.
You have two judges who are solidly conservative, two judges who are solidly Liberal, two who lean and one who floats depending on the issue.. Almost every major decision is 5-4 but there is not pattern to what 'side' wins..
Dont feel bad one out of 2 out of 4 is a great average if you were playing baseball...
Yea just hope the democrats buy allot of ciggeretts again so they can hand them out to the homeless in Madison WI like thye did in 2000. Maybe they will have a judge in their pocket again who will order pools open later only in a democratic area of a close state like they did in St Louis...
They proved that a solar panel already operating at the peak of current technology (converting about 34% of the sunlight energy into electrical energy) can produce enough energy to drive a vehicle maybe 5 miles. Converting all 100% of the available sunlight to electricity would give this vehicle a whopping 15 mile per day range. Just think -- I could drive to work on a Monday, and drive home on Tuesday.
Actually 15 Miles about covers my commute both ways..
We've discussed this before on Slashdot, and it has been felt that Sun power could be a great "fuel saver" idea for hydrogen cars. But moving something the size of a modern car is going to require more energy than you can collect from sunlight. (IIRC, ~2 kw to cruise and 10kw to accelerate a small car.)
Its more appropriate to say that moving something the *weight* or *mass* of a modern car will require more energy than you get from sunlight.
Having change the question from how do we move something the size (we cant) to how do we move something the weight (we cant) the answer becomes easy, change the weight. The first thing the hybred cars did was come out at a very small weight (I think the insight was the first production model).
So these students took an existing truck (pretty heavy vehicle) and gave it a few miles a day, what is the vehicle was changed? The problem with this is that water itself is very heavy, but again someone smarter than me (or just more inspired at the moment) can again change the problem to something solvable.
Now if they wanted to prove that hydrogen fill stations could use large Solar Power arrays to power their electrolyzer, then I'm with them all the way.:-)
Changing the propulsion system and adding a TPS would involve a fundamental redesign from scratch.
I dont know about you but if anything goes wrong I want as much TPS on that ship as possible, think about it extreeme shifts in G forces? From what I hear they are launching from near a taco bell at free fall you need to wipe quickly..
No, I dont blame teacher salaries. I think they are paid enough but I do not think they are paid too much (they just whine more than any other class of worker).
You asked if I was happy with what I got for my tax dollars and I pointed out to you that for 9k per kid no I am not happy with what I am getting. A teacher making 50K per year is getting about 2.5K per kid the other 70% is going to administration, and government waste.. If private catholic schools can teach kids for less than the public schools (and they do) we have to ask ourselves what are we doing wrong?
umm how so, the average teacher maked 44K when corrected for the work year they make fifty five thousand dollars a year.
Because at best they work 80% of the year.
The need for two jobs is the result of a demand for a higher standard of living, having little to do with taxes.
So your argument is no matter how much teh government takes one income will do?
It doesn't take that much money to live. people choose to live a life style that requires more money. Do you agree with the last sentence?
Youre in a grey area, do many people live above their means? yes this is true. Am I hurts by losing 40% of my income to taxes? absolutly! if I did not lose 40% of my income it would be as if there were two earners in my family..
Personally (I ahve already gathered that your oppinion differs from mine) I am not really disapointed with what I get for my tax dollar, of course I would like more for my dollar, but I don't think eliminating what I do get so I could spend money to obtain the same services privatly would work as well as the current system.
For nearly 9K per student in the public schools I am very dissapointed for what I am getting per dollar.
I got it we can put more people in Urban Areas than suburban ares so that despite the fact land is cheaper there will be more people to pay... Its crazy but I think it might just work..
We spen more per pupil than any other nation on earth and it has little to do with the area the school is in. In Minneapolis (hardly a rich area) they spend 11K per kid per year!
Israel's assassination of Izz el-Deen al-Sheikh Khalil, a senior Hamas leader in the Syrian capital of Damascus, is a criminal act. It provides damning confirmation that if any country merits the title of a "rogue state" that operates like some gangster mob across international borders, it is Israel.
This is the "news" on the site you posted. Im sorry this site pure propoganda, its no more news than Bill O'Rielly or the RNC website..
Naa Lincon was a 3rd party candidate.
http://216.247.222.222/Acs/elec1860/elec1860.htm
I think that the idea of polling (while interesting to read) should have nothing to do with what the voters hear..
I'd suggest you read it (which is why I linked to it). It's gives a perspective that is usually reasonably well thought out, incorporates news from a variety of sources, and isn't found at all in the mainstream media.
I actually did take a look at it but my statement stands. Something can be well thought out, interesting, and from a variety of sources and still not pass the propoganda smell test.
The average american has no college degree. All teachers have at least one, and many have masters. What is the average salary of college degree holders
Actually about 30% of Americans have a college degree, and the number I gave you was the median not the average (and someone accused me of being bad at math). The average salary according to the census is about 36 thousand, meaning teacher make 20% above the average salary in the US.
That puts teachers (corrected for shorter work year) well below the average college grad.
umm how so, the average teacher maked 44K when corrected for the work year they make fifty five thousand dollars a year.
I couldn't disagree more. The death of frugality is what has killed the single earner family. Most 2 income families live in a nicer house than they need, and drive nicer cars than they need to, have a bigger tv than they need...
The dath of frugality happened *after* people started to have to work two jobs to support a family (for my family it was the mid 70's). I lose close to 15 thousand dollars a year in taxes and that does not include sales, phone, gas, tolls,....
My fiance and I could do just fine on my income if we had to. She is a grad student, and only makes about what I put in in my 403b every year. Ya now how we do it? I drive a used subaru, she drive a honda civic, we use public transportation to get to work, we cook most of our own food, and when we do go out, it isn't to a $15/plate place, we wait until movies come out for rental. In short we live within our means.
Good for you, my wife and I are the same way, I drive a 'program' (Dodge execs used it for a year first) Neon and my wifes car was built before I started college almost a decade ago. We borrow movies from the library (the MSP system has older movies for free and new dvd's for 1$ a night). We use craigs list and free market excessivly. We both learned this from our parents, and yet both of our parents had to work due to the excessive tax load imposed on people.
Also I have a serious issue with any 'world' party, be it the world socialist or the greens. Any part that considers itself part of a global movement cant be good for this nation..
Im sorry reading the socialist party web paeg for news analysis is like reading it on the RNC or DNC site.. Im sure it does give a different spin but I am equally sure its just as inaccurate..
My wife is in the middle of a hard pregnancy, she jokes and says no more kids from her but I can have a second wife. Seemed apealing for about half a second...
Not being a racist troll here, but from my experience, culturally Asians seem to be a lot less promiscuous, which would imply that this disaster doesn't seem so imminent.
This is not true, Keep in mind the vector that spreads aids is sex 1 guy gets it from the side, has sex with his wife and maybe a little more on the side and four people are infected.
As for Asian culture's its no more or less sexual than American culture some are more strict than others. Until after the Korean war it was quite common for men to keep second families, even now many still do despite modern stigmas..
Where do you live? Ho wmany of the teachers have working spouses?
At the time I lived in Buffalo NY and went to a public High School. There were two couples who were both teachers and another whos husband worked for the city.
One thing to consider is that poor areas don't pay teachers as well as wealthy areas...
Buffalo NY is one of the poorer cities in the country.
Where I grew up, it was easy to have a family of 4 live on an engineers salary, but a single income family with a teacher was unheard of... Where I lived for the last 3 years, a person who taught in a weathly suburb, but lived further out in a less developed area could do alright, but most teachers could not afford to live in these districts.
The average teachers salary in the us is 44 thousand dollars (us census) THat puts them ahead of the median salary in the use which is 43 thousand. Is 44K enough to do the single earner family thing? probably (depending on where you live but as you said salaries adjust). My father after working for GM for 10 years did not make enough so my very pregnant mother got her nursing degree. If *anything* has killed the single earner family its taxes, as good as I do before taxes I still have to be tight after them.
Civil Engineers are the outliers in engineering salaries, and there is large variation in civil salaries. Most make ~35K, but structural engineers make ~50K, on top of this mechanical, aero, electrical, chemical, and computer engineers all make about 50-60K starting.
None the less civil Engineers *are* Engineers. Yes they and Industiral Engineers fall on the low end of the food chain but Teachers still make more than some Engineers.
Im an EE who worked as a Civil and now as a Systems. And if a teacher cant make use of nearly two hours (25% of their day) for grading and lesson plans they are at fault. I have known many damn fine teachers who left at three and spent the day working in their Garden/Lawn/Car, many teachers lived on my block and none of them were poor..
(1) Bush's intent is to push for conservative Christian values- to ban abortion, ban gay marriage, etc. Kerry is against doing that. (2) The Bush administration believes that tax cuts should favor the wealthiest Americans; Kerry believes that the people who can most afford to pay should shoulder more of the burden. (3) On foreign policy, the Bush administration has repeatedly shown that it has little or no interest in working with the international community, instead it is interested in the unilateral use of American military power to further American goals. Kerry is in favor of working with other countries and the United Nations. (4) Kerry wants to stop nuclear proliferation, George Bush wants to develop new nuclear weapons. Just to name a few. There are clear differences between the candidates, just like there were last time around. Can anyone seriously believe that Al Gore would have launched an unprovoked invasion of Iraq?
Smoke screens, though I will point out that in terms of % income the poor got a muvh larger tax cut that the rich did (the top 50% of American tax payers pay ** 96 ** percent of the taxes..
George Bush has mishandled the economy, run the nation for the benefit of the millionaires and the Halliburtons
9/11 had more to do with the economy going sour (that and a stock market buble bursting 9 mos before he went into office) than anything Bush has done. But I suppose when Clinton bobmed Kosovo and gave Haliburton no bid contracts that was for the children right?
Or how about the idea that the private sector can do everything better? That's given us the excesses of Halliburton.
Having worked for USACE I can tell you the government could not have done anything Haliburton has done any cheaper..
Maybe there is a time and a place for third parties. But not this election- too much is at stake. Yeah, I'd like to be able to vote for a candidate I truly believed in deeply. It's unfair that I can't. Well guess what? Life isn't fair. Get over it. We have to make tough decisions between unpleasant choices, and that's life. Given a choice between Bad and Really Bad, I'll choose Bad every time.
Hey, its your vore to throw away. I voted for Bush in 2000 because I could not stand the thought of a man who considers the internal combustion engine as the most dangerous thing man has invented in the whitehouse. Im not rich but I dont like the class warfare that gore ran on so I voted the other way.
I have seen Bush come in, grow government (46% increase in education spending alone), and ignore his constitutional requirement to get an actual decleration of war. I see Kerry vote for an 'authorization of force' rather than uphold his constitutional responsability to *demand* a declariation of war, support the war until dean caught his footing, then vote against the body armor he now complains bush did not provide.
So Im done, neither party gets my vote this time around. So when Bush or Kerry comes in and continues the aweful groth of the federal government more and more restricting your freedom dont complain because you chose one of them..
The starting salary for a Civil Engineer when I left School (2000) was about 35K a year, the starting salary for a teacher was 29K a year (* 1.25 gives you 36K a year)...
I also realize that as much as a teacher has to do lesson planning and grading contractually in most states they are given a free period *and* a study hall period. Do you honestly think entry level engineers only work 40 hours a week??
Kerry has earned a lifetime rating of 93 from the liberal Americans for Democratic Action, which selects key votes each year and rates lawmakers according to a perfect liberal score of 100. Kerry's rating puts him in league with Kennedy, whose lifetime score is a slightly less-liberal 88, and other liberals like Vermont's Patrick Leahy, with 93, and California's Barbara Boxer, with 96.
This is not a 2003 issue the man is one of the most liberal people in the senate... period. As for Edwards its hard to tell seing he has not even finished a term in the senate and was pulling under 40% if he were to try and run for re-election in North Carolina.
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It does not matter, the democrats controlled the agenda! They decided wht bills came up when, so exactly what bill did they bring that would address the issue that the big bad republicans voted against?
Since the Supremes don't really come into the lawmaking process until after the fact(so to speak), and then have a proven 5-4 track record as far as the whole voting issue goes, I think my point's pretty valid.
Hey youre theone who brought the SC up, I know pointing out you were deadwrong makes you want to ignore that so Ill be a nice guy and let you slide on that one.
What makes your point compleatly invalid is the fat that election laws are pretty much a states issue so you should be asking what have the teh steaes done about this..
On the republican side you have Bush doing everything he can to piss off conservatives, and on the Democrat side the only thing you have is 'he's not Bush'... Not really a solid base for either party..
- Republican president
- Republican-controlled House
- Republican-controlled Senate AND
- 5-to-4 Repuglican control of the Supreme Court
President: Yes
House: Yes
Senate: From 2000 - 2002 the Democrats held the majority 50-49-1 (D) - (R) - (I) with the defection for Jeffords who was a republican, went indep, and caucases with the Democrats.
Supreme Court: Neither party controls the court, the court rules for the boy scouts one day, and against the ten commandments the next, the day after striking down a texas sodomy law. It really is a rather unpredictable body right now.
You have two judges who are solidly conservative, two judges who are solidly Liberal, two who lean and one who floats depending on the issue.. Almost every major decision is 5-4 but there is not pattern to what 'side' wins..
Dont feel bad one out of 2 out of 4 is a great average if you were playing baseball...
Yea just hope the democrats buy allot of ciggeretts again so they can hand them out to the homeless in Madison WI like thye did in 2000. Maybe they will have a judge in their pocket again who will order pools open later only in a democratic area of a close state like they did in St Louis...
Actually 15 Miles about covers my commute both ways..
Its more appropriate to say that moving something the *weight* or *mass* of a modern car will require more energy than you get from sunlight.
Having change the question from how do we move something the size (we cant) to how do we move something the weight (we cant) the answer becomes easy, change the weight. The first thing the hybred cars did was come out at a very small weight (I think the insight was the first production model).
So these students took an existing truck (pretty heavy vehicle) and gave it a few miles a day, what is the vehicle was changed? The problem with this is that water itself is very heavy, but again someone smarter than me (or just more inspired at the moment) can again change the problem to something solvable.
Now if they wanted to prove that hydrogen fill stations could use large Solar Power arrays to power their electrolyzer, then I'm with them all the way. :-)
And this would solve the weight of water issue..
I dont know about you but if anything goes wrong I want as much TPS on that ship as possible, think about it extreeme shifts in G forces? From what I hear they are launching from near a taco bell at free fall you need to wipe quickly..
How do you know he means it any differently... He might really want them to feel appreciated..
You asked if I was happy with what I got for my tax dollars and I pointed out to you that for 9k per kid no I am not happy with what I am getting. A teacher making 50K per year is getting about 2.5K per kid the other 70% is going to administration, and government waste.. If private catholic schools can teach kids for less than the public schools (and they do) we have to ask ourselves what are we doing wrong?
Because at best they work 80% of the year.
The need for two jobs is the result of a demand for a higher standard of living, having little to do with taxes.
So your argument is no matter how much teh government takes one income will do?
It doesn't take that much money to live. people choose to live a life style that requires more money. Do you agree with the last sentence?
Youre in a grey area, do many people live above their means? yes this is true. Am I hurts by losing 40% of my income to taxes? absolutly! if I did not lose 40% of my income it would be as if there were two earners in my family..
Personally (I ahve already gathered that your oppinion differs from mine) I am not really disapointed with what I get for my tax dollar, of course I would like more for my dollar, but I don't think eliminating what I do get so I could spend money to obtain the same services privatly would work as well as the current system.
For nearly 9K per student in the public schools I am very dissapointed for what I am getting per dollar.
We spen more per pupil than any other nation on earth and it has little to do with the area the school is in. In Minneapolis (hardly a rich area) they spend 11K per kid per year!
This is the "news" on the site you posted. Im sorry this site pure propoganda, its no more news than Bill O'Rielly or the RNC website..
Naa Lincon was a 3rd party candidate. http://216.247.222.222/Acs/elec1860/elec1860.htm I think that the idea of polling (while interesting to read) should have nothing to do with what the voters hear..
I actually did take a look at it but my statement stands. Something can be well thought out, interesting, and from a variety of sources and still not pass the propoganda smell test.
Actually about 30% of Americans have a college degree, and the number I gave you was the median not the average (and someone accused me of being bad at math). The average salary according to the census is about 36 thousand, meaning teacher make 20% above the average salary in the US.
That puts teachers (corrected for shorter work year) well below the average college grad.
umm how so, the average teacher maked 44K when corrected for the work year they make fifty five thousand dollars a year.
I couldn't disagree more. The death of frugality is what has killed the single earner family. Most 2 income families live in a nicer house than they need, and drive nicer cars than they need to, have a bigger tv than they need...
The dath of frugality happened *after* people started to have to work two jobs to support a family (for my family it was the mid 70's). I lose close to 15 thousand dollars a year in taxes and that does not include sales, phone, gas, tolls, ....
My fiance and I could do just fine on my income if we had to. She is a grad student, and only makes about what I put in in my 403b every year. Ya now how we do it? I drive a used subaru, she drive a honda civic, we use public transportation to get to work, we cook most of our own food, and when we do go out, it isn't to a $15/plate place, we wait until movies come out for rental. In short we live within our means.
Good for you, my wife and I are the same way, I drive a 'program' (Dodge execs used it for a year first) Neon and my wifes car was built before I started college almost a decade ago. We borrow movies from the library (the MSP system has older movies for free and new dvd's for 1$ a night). We use craigs list and free market excessivly. We both learned this from our parents, and yet both of our parents had to work due to the excessive tax load imposed on people.
Also I have a serious issue with any 'world' party, be it the world socialist or the greens. Any part that considers itself part of a global movement cant be good for this nation..
Im sorry reading the socialist party web paeg for news analysis is like reading it on the RNC or DNC site.. Im sure it does give a different spin but I am equally sure its just as inaccurate..
My wife is in the middle of a hard pregnancy, she jokes and says no more kids from her but I can have a second wife. Seemed apealing for about half a second...
This is not true, Keep in mind the vector that spreads aids is sex 1 guy gets it from the side, has sex with his wife and maybe a little more on the side and four people are infected.
As for Asian culture's its no more or less sexual than American culture some are more strict than others. Until after the Korean war it was quite common for men to keep second families, even now many still do despite modern stigmas..
At the time I lived in Buffalo NY and went to a public High School. There were two couples who were both teachers and another whos husband worked for the city.
One thing to consider is that poor areas don't pay teachers as well as wealthy areas...
Buffalo NY is one of the poorer cities in the country.
Where I grew up, it was easy to have a family of 4 live on an engineers salary, but a single income family with a teacher was unheard of... Where I lived for the last 3 years, a person who taught in a weathly suburb, but lived further out in a less developed area could do alright, but most teachers could not afford to live in these districts.
The average teachers salary in the us is 44 thousand dollars (us census) THat puts them ahead of the median salary in the use which is 43 thousand. Is 44K enough to do the single earner family thing? probably (depending on where you live but as you said salaries adjust). My father after working for GM for 10 years did not make enough so my very pregnant mother got her nursing degree. If *anything* has killed the single earner family its taxes, as good as I do before taxes I still have to be tight after them.
None the less civil Engineers *are* Engineers. Yes they and Industiral Engineers fall on the low end of the food chain but Teachers still make more than some Engineers.
Im an EE who worked as a Civil and now as a Systems. And if a teacher cant make use of nearly two hours (25% of their day) for grading and lesson plans they are at fault. I have known many damn fine teachers who left at three and spent the day working in their Garden/Lawn/Car, many teachers lived on my block and none of them were poor..
Smoke screens, though I will point out that in terms of % income the poor got a muvh larger tax cut that the rich did (the top 50% of American tax payers pay ** 96 ** percent of the taxes..
George Bush has mishandled the economy, run the nation for the benefit of the millionaires and the Halliburtons
9/11 had more to do with the economy going sour (that and a stock market buble bursting 9 mos before he went into office) than anything Bush has done. But I suppose when Clinton bobmed Kosovo and gave Haliburton no bid contracts that was for the children right?
Or how about the idea that the private sector can do everything better? That's given us the excesses of Halliburton.
Having worked for USACE I can tell you the government could not have done anything Haliburton has done any cheaper..
Maybe there is a time and a place for third parties. But not this election- too much is at stake. Yeah, I'd like to be able to vote for a candidate I truly believed in deeply. It's unfair that I can't. Well guess what? Life isn't fair. Get over it. We have to make tough decisions between unpleasant choices, and that's life. Given a choice between Bad and Really Bad, I'll choose Bad every time.
Hey, its your vore to throw away. I voted for Bush in 2000 because I could not stand the thought of a man who considers the internal combustion engine as the most dangerous thing man has invented in the whitehouse. Im not rich but I dont like the class warfare that gore ran on so I voted the other way.
I have seen Bush come in, grow government (46% increase in education spending alone), and ignore his constitutional requirement to get an actual decleration of war. I see Kerry vote for an 'authorization of force' rather than uphold his constitutional responsability to *demand* a declariation of war, support the war until dean caught his footing, then vote against the body armor he now complains bush did not provide.
So Im done, neither party gets my vote this time around. So when Bush or Kerry comes in and continues the aweful groth of the federal government more and more restricting your freedom dont complain because you chose one of them..
I also realize that as much as a teacher has to do lesson planning and grading contractually in most states they are given a free period *and* a study hall period. Do you honestly think entry level engineers only work 40 hours a week??
For the same reson that many are voting for Kerry rather than Nader, because he is better than the alternative..
This is not a 2003 issue the man is one of the most liberal people in the senate... period. As for Edwards its hard to tell seing he has not even finished a term in the senate and was pulling under 40% if he were to try and run for re-election in North Carolina.