Umm...neooffice does seem to be using AppKit but not extensively yet. Check out the introduction in the build instructions. Now if only it could use interface builder...
Is Sun's two-faced attitude towards open source. They open source a dead OS X port to let the community finish it, and then once the community finishes it, they decide to do the final leg as commercial closed source. What a fhole attitude.
I say boycott sun...they're worse then m$ft and leech off the open source community without even having the nads to tell it to their faces.
Below follows my reply to the OpenOffice.org community to the reporter who wrote this awful story.
And he even seems to be using an illicitly obtained copy of Jaguar.
To: Joe Wilcox
From: Ed Peterlin
Subject: Re: StarOffice OS X story
Date: 03:10pm Jul 26, 2002
From: dan@bigw.org, dev@porting.openoffice.org, ed@dashboardbuddha.com
>First of all, let me acknowledge your hard work.
I believed it would have been better acknowledged with thorough research and reporting before dropping a bombshell story like this that has taken this entire community off guard and opened a new rift between the community, Sun, Apple, and God knows who else.
>I can't guess Sun's motivations. In fact, the original interview had
>nothing to do with StarOffice for Mac OS X. But I asked, as I always
>do, and got the starling response you read.
If the response was startling, I believe it would have benfitted from further investigation as to the motivations behind why it was stated in the first place.
>My apologies, I had no idea you had a Quartz version. I didn't see
>anything on the OpenOffice.org Web site today and was unusually short
>on time. On another day, I also would have tried to contact you folks.
>Does that version support Aqua?
I don't understand how you had time to find this information out with the degree of specificity you reported, quoting multiple sources. By your own admission, this story was going to cause problems. Given the potential waves resulting from this, would it not have made more sense to contact the people who actually have been performing the work you are reporting upon and responsible for this OS X port? I don't understand how you had time to attempt to contact the people you quoted in your story but yet overlooked the Quartz build, which has been referenced on our mac.openoffice.org frontpage for the last month and a half, and is currently simply one link away at
http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/build_mac.html
Unless you expect me to believe that Tony Siress volunteered this information without question, your statement "was unusually short on time" seems to make no sense considering the entire Mac porting website is only twelve pages, and the Quartz build is referenced on the front page as well as six additional pages linked to off of the main page. Percentagewise, I find it difficult to believe you even read our front page, much less the entire Mac porting site. Added to which, stating that "I left a lot out from the interview", also conflicts with your stated time limitations considering that information.
Off the Mac porting front page my personal e-mail address is accessible. The effort required to contact me requires only clicking a link at the top of the Mac homepage, and it is disconcerting that you did not have time to consider this.
In light of the backlash you knew this story would cause, I would think that contacting at least one member of the OpenOffice.org OS X porting community would not only have been a basic courtesy but would have made your article more credible then it is.
respectfully,
ed peterlin
>I can't speak to Sun's intentions. But I left a lot out from the
>interview. I suspect Sun may be trying to seize on the opportunity
>created by the Microsoft-Apple rift.
>
>Frankly, I'm CNET News.com's Microsoft reporter, but I run OS X pretty
>much full time. You can imagine Apple likes that. I'm using Jaguar full
>time right now (build 6c106, not obtained from Apple). Certainly, an OS
>X version of Office would be an important addition.
>
>Thinking things through again, Sun's objective probably has nothing to
>do with undermining or disregarding your efforts. A commercial release
>of the code, with all the fonts, transcoders and other bells and
>whistles, would be Sun's way of striking back at Microsoft in a market
>where many users don't like Microsoft anyway and Mac Office isn't
>selling so well.
>
>Please contact me anytime.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Joe
>
>On Friday, July 26, 2002, at 07:13 PM, Ed Peterlin wrote:
>
>> Greetings. My name is Edward Peterlin, and I've been leading up the
>> community effort for the OpenOffice.org port to OS X, currently a team
>> of two (see http://www.dashboardbuddha.com/OOo/ for my personal site
>> in addition to the mac.openoffice.org site).
>>
>> I'd like to inform you that your story took the OpenOffice.org
>> community completely by surprise, all two of us, and no possibility of
>> this has ever been discussed with the community. Since April 2001,
>> the OS X port has been wholly a community effort with no programmer
>> employed to work on it. For example, I work at a medical device
>> company, and the guy who worked with me to get 1.0 building is a
>> student.
>>
>> Your story is interesting even if it contains facts that are incorrect
>> (e.g. OpenOffice.org has produced a version that does *not* require
>> X11 and runs directly on Quartz, but has not yet provided binaries for
>> download). This took the entire OpenOffice.org community by surprise
>> and could be the start of showing how Sun is willing to take advantage
>> of the work of the OpenOffice.org community without giving
>> acknowledgements when credit is due to the community, or even getting
>> the name of the community product correct (it's OpenOffice.org!).
>> While I am still awaiting clarification, I consider this to be a
>> sideswipe of the open source comunity, especially taking the pure
>> community effort up to this point and potentially completing it in a
>> proprietary closed-source manner without even having the decency to
>> consult the community.
>>
>> I would like to higly encourage you to continue pressing on this story
>> to uncover its implications for the OpenOffice.org community and Sun's
>> attitudes towards open source developement and determine if it's just
>> Sun's ploy to obtain free labor or simply gross miscommunication.
>>
>> regards,
>> ed peterlin
>>
>>
>Joe Wilcox
>CNET News.com
>jyw@editors.com (faster)
>joe.wilcox@cnet.com
>
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>Ed,
>
>First of all, let me acknowledge your hard work.
>
>I can't guess Sun's motivations. In fact, the original interview had
>nothing to do with StarOffice for Mac OS X. But I asked, as I always
>do, and got the starling response you read.
>
>My apologies, I had no idea you had a Quartz version. I didn't see
>anything on the OpenOffice.org Web site today and was unusually short
>on time. On another day, I also would have tried to contact you folks.
>Does that version support Aqua?
>
>I can't speak to Sun's intentions. But I left a lot out from the
>interview. I suspect Sun may be trying to seize on the opportunity
>created by the Microsoft-Apple rift.
>
>Frankly, I'm CNET News.com's Microsoft reporter, but I run OS X pretty
>much full time. You can imagine Apple likes that. I'm using Jaguar
>full time right now (build 6c106, not obtained from Apple). Certainly,
>an OS X version of Office would be an important addition.
>
>Thinking things through again, Sun's objective probably has nothing to
>do with undermining or disregarding your efforts. A commercial release
>of the code, with all the fonts, transcoders and other bells and
>whistles, would be Sun's way of striking back at Microsoft in a market
>where many users don't like Microsoft anyway and Mac Office isn't
>selling so well.
>
>Please contact me anytime.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Joe
>
>On Friday, July 26, 2002, at 07:13 PM, Ed Peterlin wrote:
>
>Greetings. My name is Edward Peterlin, and I've been leading
>up the community effort for the OpenOffice.org port to OS X, currently
>a team of two (see http://www.dashboardbuddha.com/OOo/ for my personal
>site in addition to the mac.openoffice.org site).
>
>I'd like to inform you that your story took the OpenOffice.org
>community completely by surprise, all two of us, and no possibility of
>this has ever been discussed with the community. Since April 2001,
>the OS X port has been wholly a community effort with no programmer
>employed to work on it. For example, I work at a medical device
>company, and the guy who worked with me to get 1.0 building is a
>student.
>
>Your story is interesting even if it contains facts that are incorrect
>(e.g. OpenOffice.org has produced a version that does *not* require
>X11 and runs directly on Quartz, but has not yet provided binaries for
>download). This took the entire OpenOffice.org community by surprise
>and could be the start of showing how Sun is willing to take advantage
>of the work of the OpenOffice.org community without giving
>acknowledgements when credit is due to the community, or even getting
>the name of the community product correct (it's OpenOffice.org!).
>While I am still awaiting clarification, I consider this to be a
>sideswipe of the open source comunity, especially taking the pure
>community effort up to this point and potentially completing it in a
>proprietary closed-source manner without even having the decency to
>consult the community.
>
>I would like to higly encourage you to continue pressing on this story
>to uncover its implications for the OpenOffice.org community and Sun's
>attitudes towards open source developement and determine if it's just
>Sun's ploy to obtain free labor or simply gross miscommunication.
>
>regards,
>
>ed peterlin
>
>HelveticaJoe Wilcox
>
>CNET News.com
>
>jyw@editors.com (faster)
>
>joe.wilcox@cnet.com</fontfamily>
>
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>
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Umm...neooffice does seem to be using AppKit but not extensively yet. Check out the introduction in the build instructions. Now if only it could use interface builder...
Here's the annoucement from the OpenOffice.org mailing list, alebit with poor formatting.
X11 is going beta next week, not aqua. the aqua version is still in the planning stages.
Is Sun's two-faced attitude towards open source. They open source a dead OS X port to let the community finish it, and then once the community finishes it, they decide to do the final leg as commercial closed source. What a fhole attitude. I say boycott sun...they're worse then m$ft and leech off the open source community without even having the nads to tell it to their faces.
Below follows my reply to the OpenOffice.org community to the reporter who wrote this awful story. And he even seems to be using an illicitly obtained copy of Jaguar. To: Joe Wilcox From: Ed Peterlin Subject: Re: StarOffice OS X story Date: 03:10pm Jul 26, 2002 From: dan@bigw.org, dev@porting.openoffice.org, ed@dashboardbuddha.com >First of all, let me acknowledge your hard work. I believed it would have been better acknowledged with thorough research and reporting before dropping a bombshell story like this that has taken this entire community off guard and opened a new rift between the community, Sun, Apple, and God knows who else. >I can't guess Sun's motivations. In fact, the original interview had >nothing to do with StarOffice for Mac OS X. But I asked, as I always >do, and got the starling response you read. If the response was startling, I believe it would have benfitted from further investigation as to the motivations behind why it was stated in the first place. >My apologies, I had no idea you had a Quartz version. I didn't see >anything on the OpenOffice.org Web site today and was unusually short >on time. On another day, I also would have tried to contact you folks. >Does that version support Aqua? I don't understand how you had time to find this information out with the degree of specificity you reported, quoting multiple sources. By your own admission, this story was going to cause problems. Given the potential waves resulting from this, would it not have made more sense to contact the people who actually have been performing the work you are reporting upon and responsible for this OS X port? I don't understand how you had time to attempt to contact the people you quoted in your story but yet overlooked the Quartz build, which has been referenced on our mac.openoffice.org frontpage for the last month and a half, and is currently simply one link away at http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/build_mac.html Unless you expect me to believe that Tony Siress volunteered this information without question, your statement "was unusually short on time" seems to make no sense considering the entire Mac porting website is only twelve pages, and the Quartz build is referenced on the front page as well as six additional pages linked to off of the main page. Percentagewise, I find it difficult to believe you even read our front page, much less the entire Mac porting site. Added to which, stating that "I left a lot out from the interview", also conflicts with your stated time limitations considering that information. Off the Mac porting front page my personal e-mail address is accessible. The effort required to contact me requires only clicking a link at the top of the Mac homepage, and it is disconcerting that you did not have time to consider this. In light of the backlash you knew this story would cause, I would think that contacting at least one member of the OpenOffice.org OS X porting community would not only have been a basic courtesy but would have made your article more credible then it is. respectfully, ed peterlin >I can't speak to Sun's intentions. But I left a lot out from the >interview. I suspect Sun may be trying to seize on the opportunity >created by the Microsoft-Apple rift. > >Frankly, I'm CNET News.com's Microsoft reporter, but I run OS X pretty >much full time. You can imagine Apple likes that. I'm using Jaguar full >time right now (build 6c106, not obtained from Apple). Certainly, an OS >X version of Office would be an important addition. > >Thinking things through again, Sun's objective probably has nothing to >do with undermining or disregarding your efforts. A commercial release >of the code, with all the fonts, transcoders and other bells and >whistles, would be Sun's way of striking back at Microsoft in a market >where many users don't like Microsoft anyway and Mac Office isn't >selling so well. > >Please contact me anytime. > >Thanks, > >Joe > >On Friday, July 26, 2002, at 07:13 PM, Ed Peterlin wrote: > >> Greetings. My name is Edward Peterlin, and I've been leading up the >> community effort for the OpenOffice.org port to OS X, currently a team >> of two (see http://www.dashboardbuddha.com/OOo/ for my personal site >> in addition to the mac.openoffice.org site). >> >> I'd like to inform you that your story took the OpenOffice.org >> community completely by surprise, all two of us, and no possibility of >> this has ever been discussed with the community. Since April 2001, >> the OS X port has been wholly a community effort with no programmer >> employed to work on it. For example, I work at a medical device >> company, and the guy who worked with me to get 1.0 building is a >> student. >> >> Your story is interesting even if it contains facts that are incorrect >> (e.g. OpenOffice.org has produced a version that does *not* require >> X11 and runs directly on Quartz, but has not yet provided binaries for >> download). This took the entire OpenOffice.org community by surprise >> and could be the start of showing how Sun is willing to take advantage >> of the work of the OpenOffice.org community without giving >> acknowledgements when credit is due to the community, or even getting >> the name of the community product correct (it's OpenOffice.org!). >> While I am still awaiting clarification, I consider this to be a >> sideswipe of the open source comunity, especially taking the pure >> community effort up to this point and potentially completing it in a >> proprietary closed-source manner without even having the decency to >> consult the community. >> >> I would like to higly encourage you to continue pressing on this story >> to uncover its implications for the OpenOffice.org community and Sun's >> attitudes towards open source developement and determine if it's just >> Sun's ploy to obtain free labor or simply gross miscommunication. >> >> regards, >> ed peterlin >> >> >Joe Wilcox >CNET News.com >jyw@editors.com (faster) >joe.wilcox@cnet.com > >--Apple-Mail-4-41086678 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Content-Type: text/enriched; >charset=US-ASCII > >Ed, > >First of all, let me acknowledge your hard work. > >I can't guess Sun's motivations. In fact, the original interview had >nothing to do with StarOffice for Mac OS X. But I asked, as I always >do, and got the starling response you read. > >My apologies, I had no idea you had a Quartz version. I didn't see >anything on the OpenOffice.org Web site today and was unusually short >on time. On another day, I also would have tried to contact you folks. >Does that version support Aqua? > >I can't speak to Sun's intentions. But I left a lot out from the >interview. I suspect Sun may be trying to seize on the opportunity >created by the Microsoft-Apple rift. > >Frankly, I'm CNET News.com's Microsoft reporter, but I run OS X pretty >much full time. You can imagine Apple likes that. I'm using Jaguar >full time right now (build 6c106, not obtained from Apple). Certainly, >an OS X version of Office would be an important addition. > >Thinking things through again, Sun's objective probably has nothing to >do with undermining or disregarding your efforts. A commercial release >of the code, with all the fonts, transcoders and other bells and >whistles, would be Sun's way of striking back at Microsoft in a market >where many users don't like Microsoft anyway and Mac Office isn't >selling so well. > >Please contact me anytime. > >Thanks, > >Joe > >On Friday, July 26, 2002, at 07:13 PM, Ed Peterlin wrote: > >Greetings. My name is Edward Peterlin, and I've been leading >up the community effort for the OpenOffice.org port to OS X, currently >a team of two (see http://www.dashboardbuddha.com/OOo/ for my personal >site in addition to the mac.openoffice.org site). > >I'd like to inform you that your story took the OpenOffice.org >community completely by surprise, all two of us, and no possibility of >this has ever been discussed with the community. Since April 2001, >the OS X port has been wholly a community effort with no programmer >employed to work on it. For example, I work at a medical device >company, and the guy who worked with me to get 1.0 building is a >student. > >Your story is interesting even if it contains facts that are incorrect >(e.g. OpenOffice.org has produced a version that does *not* require >X11 and runs directly on Quartz, but has not yet provided binaries for >download). This took the entire OpenOffice.org community by surprise >and could be the start of showing how Sun is willing to take advantage >of the work of the OpenOffice.org community without giving >acknowledgements when credit is due to the community, or even getting >the name of the community product correct (it's OpenOffice.org!). >While I am still awaiting clarification, I consider this to be a >sideswipe of the open source comunity, especially taking the pure >community effort up to this point and potentially completing it in a >proprietary closed-source manner without even having the decency to >consult the community. > >I would like to higly encourage you to continue pressing on this story >to uncover its implications for the OpenOffice.org community and Sun's >attitudes towards open source developement and determine if it's just >Sun's ploy to obtain free labor or simply gross miscommunication. > >regards, > >ed peterlin > >HelveticaJoe Wilcox
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