"Don't plug this shit in if you don't want to use it."
And what happens if it gets to the point where I don't have a bloody choice because the fridge refuses to work unless its downloaded some new firmware or whatever?
"et us have these devices to save money and help the planet"
Help the planet? You having a laugh? You might want to check out the mess the mining the precious metals for all our playtoy devices causes and then the pollution from their refining and the manufacture of the device itself plus transportation.
This is nothing but tech for its own sake keeping the Oooh shiny! crowd happy.
"Because some power companies currently and more will soon give you a price break for cutting usage during a surge in demand. Sometimes this can be predicted, sometimes it can't. Hence the need for real-time comms."
Oh please. I warm my house to be the temp I want it to be. I'm not going to shiver to save a teeny tiny amount of cash. If you're that skint then you won't be able to afford all this tech anyway - wear a jumper.
"Opening the door is what creates energy usage. Having an app to keep inventory can drastically reduce usage as you stand there like a bone idle sack of fat and stare at your inventory, letting all the cool air out that your device will use electricity to replace."
Heres a novel idea - use that thing in your head called a "memory" and use it to remember whats there when you go to the fridge to get something out. And it takes little to cool air - its the solids and liquids that use up the power. However replacing a fridge thats been hacked and broken by some sociopath costs a damn site more.
Too lazy to check the fridge? There's an app for that. Too stupid to be able to pull your own curtains? There's an app for that. Too bone idle to turn off a light switch? There's an app for that.
Soon the infants masquerading as adults will require robots to wipe their backsides for them and spoon feed them mush for dinner (chew solids? Too much effort). You think the passengers on the starship in Wall-E were just a joke? Hardly - its where we're heading.
Meanwhile all these human vegetables will have all their private data sucked up by corporations and hackers to be used as they please.
"ike ventilation systems and you have a completely different case. Thermostats that can detect not only presence of people but also power consumption in a room and predict the ventilation level needed."
And the thermostats need to be online because....?
"I can also think of devices like the fridge or freezer to be able to talk to the internet to be more cost efficient - cool extra during cheap hours and cool less when electricity is more expensive."
Wtf? Perishable food needs to be kept cool regardless of the price of the electricity unless you want to risk food poisoning to save a few pennies.
There is absolutely NO reason for ANY kitchen appliances to be online or have any kind of network presense whatsoever unless you such a bone idle sack of fat that you can't even be bothered to open a fridge door to check whats inside but would sooner do it via an app.
Spooky action at a distance is only spooky if one assumes distance is real and not an emergent property of a projected/holographic universe. In the same way in a computer simulation/game the distance between objects in no way represents the "distance" between them in the computers memory, perhaps our universe works at a similar level of abstraction.
"The faff of maintainance (especially dead batteries), insurance, MOT, tax discs etc is huge for the 3 times a year I wantr one"
I'll give you that. But for me the convenience of owning a car outweighs a bit of hassle once a year.
"It's called "the speed limit". Unless "from london" you mean "from the arse end of Watford."
No one sticks to 70. And London does extend north of the thames you know. The M1 and A1 come quite a long way in.
"I own both a coat and an umbrella."
Not quite the same as a comfy seat, heating and a radio.
"If you think Tooting bloody higstreet at rush hour is preferable to sitting on a train, then you have a strange definition of masochism."
Well I wouldn't live in a dump like Tooting to begin with so you takes your choice...
"You know that's the first time you managed to concede that it's of any use."
PT (or trains/tube/metro anyway, buses not so much) is useful for heading into metropolitan centres from the outskirts. For everything else its more trouble than its worth.
Oh thats so much more convenient than owning one isn't it. Who wants to just walk out the door, get in and drive away when you can spend an hour getting to the nearest Hertz or whatever and then have to drop it off and get home by bus on the way back.
" Peterborough is 2 hours due north of London by car and that's firmly in the middle of East Anglia."
God knows what speed you drive at. You're probably one of this idiots in the middle lane going 1mph faster than the HGVs. I can get to Nottingham in 1h.45 from my house. And I never said they were in yorkshire.
"I guess I could have spent an hour slogging through the wilds of South London by car followed by a trip across the London Orbiral Carpark, then 5 more up to Newcastle, or I could hop on the train to King's Cross and then relax for about 2 and a half hours and arrive refreshed and stress free."
And 150 quid lighter. And 2.5 hours to newcastle? You need to check the timetables. 2h.50 is the shortest time but some journeys are over 4 hours. And before that you've got to get to KX presumably by another train/tube and before than you've got to get to your local station. All adding up isn't it. Oh, and unless your destination at Newcastle is in the city centre that'll be a metro/bus/taxi ride as well. Thanks, but I'll just jump in the car and go.
"My sister has 2 kids: a baby and a toddler, and no car. I've been out with them for the day multiple times and none of us ever threatened to lose our sanity at any point."
Well it depends how far you go doesn't it. Going to the park isn't quite the same as going to a town that would take 4-5 hours by train and bus since nice Mr Beeching closed the station.
"What I have noticed it that car addicts (my brother is one) simply can't understand how people can cope without, especially with kids. People with kids and no car can't understand how car addicts make such a massive meal of going outside the house with a baby."
I lived without a car for years and I wouldn't go back to not owning one. If you're happy waiting at a bus stop in the pissing rain or being packed like a sardine into a train thats turned up 30 mins late with 800 other people then bully for you. But not all of us enjoy masochism. I'll use PT to get into central london, for everywhere else I'll take the car and enjoy the extra time I don't have to spend waiting around.
Then you obviously don't need to go anywhere outside of the city or somewhere that isn't served by national rail. I also live in London and I'd be fecked without my car because I have friends and relatives who live in small towns up north which by car takes 2 hours and by public transport would take literally half a day. And then theres just having days out in the car with the baby. Good luck doing that on a train or bus and retaining your sanity.
Sounds like you don't know much about sport, friend. Sport involves physical effort. Calling something a sport just to get the reflected glory of real sports doesn't make it so however much the protagonists would wish otherwise. "E-sports" is just a macho term for playing video games. It ain't a sport.
Boxing is real combat involving real effort and pain with potentially real physical consequences. This is just a bunch of fat, pasty faced kids sitting on couches pressing keys. Its hard to take it seriously no matter how much money is involved.
More like they raised an eyebrow in their seats. These players have long since gone past the stage at which their bodies are capable of any physical movement beyond pressing keys and reaching for the drinks can.
And no one notices? Relying on a machine to do all the work sounds a bit like leaving a dog to guard against other dogs. It might work or they might end up sniffing each others balls.
"Plugins are a source of performance problems, crashes, and security incidents for Web users"
So is your browser. And whatever happened to choice? If I want to use a plugin that may crash occasionally thats up to me - not you. What next - I can only view web pages that your browser deems acceptable? Asshats.
"You've never developed software in a large company, have you?"
Sorry - I've developed software in a considerable number of large companies including in Aviation.
"No one past a first level manager has much clue how the code works. Not even the grunts writing the code understand all the implications of the code"
That may well be the case, but a couple of grunts don't take it upon themselves to carry out what is essentially fraud without it coming from higher up the food chain,.
"And I can totally imagine that upper management never thought about the implications of each group on each other."
Then they have no business being in upper management.
Wrong. I live in the EU pal. The sooner the whole corrupt dated edifice collapses around Merkel the better. Its simply a way for the germans and french to bully all the other countries into doing what they want.
Anyone with a working brain knows thats a load of arse covering BS by a boss lined up against the wall. There is simply no way a "couple of engineers" could so radically fool the rest of their colleagues and alter the code without anyone noticing the changes. Not only that we're supposed to believe none of the test engineers noticed the major discrepancy in emissions pre-release and no one in the heirachy asked how such amazing emissions AND performane were being achieved? Pul-lease.
Perhaps bring back some useful features like handling stderr properly and maybe just being pointed at some master shell scripts at startup that do the rest of the work in a syntax people have understood for 40 years. Maybe name it "init". I like that name.
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"Don't plug this shit in if you don't want to use it."
And what happens if it gets to the point where I don't have a bloody choice because the fridge refuses to work unless its downloaded some new firmware or whatever?
"et us have these devices to save money and help the planet"
Help the planet? You having a laugh? You might want to check out the mess the mining the precious metals for all our playtoy devices causes and then the pollution from their refining and the manufacture of the device itself plus transportation.
This is nothing but tech for its own sake keeping the Oooh shiny! crowd happy.
"Because some power companies currently and more will soon give you a price break for cutting usage during a surge in demand. Sometimes this can be predicted, sometimes it can't. Hence the need for real-time comms."
Oh please. I warm my house to be the temp I want it to be. I'm not going to shiver to save a teeny tiny amount of cash. If you're that skint then you won't be able to afford all this tech anyway - wear a jumper.
"Opening the door is what creates energy usage. Having an app to keep inventory can drastically reduce usage as you stand there like a bone idle sack of fat and stare at your inventory, letting all the cool air out that your device will use electricity to replace."
Heres a novel idea - use that thing in your head called a "memory" and use it to remember whats there when you go to the fridge to get something out. And it takes little to cool air - its the solids and liquids that use up the power. However replacing a fridge thats been hacked and broken by some sociopath costs a damn site more.
Too lazy to check the fridge? There's an app for that. Too stupid to be able to pull your own curtains? There's an app for that. Too bone idle to turn off a light switch? There's an app for that.
Soon the infants masquerading as adults will require robots to wipe their backsides for them and spoon feed them mush for dinner (chew solids? Too much effort). You think the passengers on the starship in Wall-E were just a joke? Hardly - its where we're heading.
Meanwhile all these human vegetables will have all their private data sucked up by corporations and hackers to be used as they please.
"Sane people don't put bread in the fridge."
Err, they do if they want their bread to keep longer than a few days before going stale.
"ike ventilation systems and you have a completely different case. Thermostats that can detect not only presence of people but also power consumption in a room and predict the ventilation level needed."
And the thermostats need to be online because....?
"I can also think of devices like the fridge or freezer to be able to talk to the internet to be more cost efficient - cool extra during cheap hours and cool less when electricity is more expensive."
Wtf? Perishable food needs to be kept cool regardless of the price of the electricity unless you want to risk food poisoning to save a few pennies.
There is absolutely NO reason for ANY kitchen appliances to be online or have any kind of network presense whatsoever unless you such a bone idle sack of fat that you can't even be bothered to open a fridge door to check whats inside but would sooner do it via an app.
Spooky action at a distance is only spooky if one assumes distance is real and not an emergent property of a projected/holographic universe. In the same way in a computer simulation/game the distance between objects in no way represents the "distance" between them in the computers memory, perhaps our universe works at a similar level of abstraction.
"The faff of maintainance (especially dead batteries), insurance, MOT, tax discs etc is huge for the 3 times a year I wantr one"
I'll give you that. But for me the convenience of owning a car outweighs a bit of hassle once a year.
"It's called "the speed limit". Unless "from london" you mean "from the arse end of Watford."
No one sticks to 70. And London does extend north of the thames you know. The M1 and A1 come quite a long way in.
"I own both a coat and an umbrella."
Not quite the same as a comfy seat, heating and a radio.
"If you think Tooting bloody higstreet at rush hour is preferable to sitting on a train, then you have a strange definition of masochism."
Well I wouldn't live in a dump like Tooting to begin with so you takes your choice...
"You know that's the first time you managed to concede that it's of any use."
PT (or trains/tube/metro anyway, buses not so much) is useful for heading into metropolitan centres from the outskirts. For everything else its more trouble than its worth.
"I can rent a car."
Oh thats so much more convenient than owning one isn't it. Who wants to just walk out the door, get in and drive away when you can spend an hour getting to the nearest Hertz or whatever and then have to drop it off and get home by bus on the way back.
" Peterborough is 2 hours due north of London by car and that's firmly in the middle of East Anglia."
God knows what speed you drive at. You're probably one of this idiots in the middle lane going 1mph faster than the HGVs. I can get to Nottingham in 1h.45 from my house. And I never said they were in yorkshire.
"I guess I could have spent an hour slogging through the wilds of South London by car followed by a trip across the London Orbiral Carpark, then 5 more up to Newcastle, or I could hop on the train to King's Cross and then relax for about 2 and a half hours and arrive refreshed and stress free."
And 150 quid lighter. And 2.5 hours to newcastle? You need to check the timetables. 2h.50 is the shortest time but some journeys are over 4 hours. And before that you've got to get to KX presumably by another train/tube and before than you've got to get to your local station. All adding up isn't it. Oh, and unless your destination at Newcastle is in the city centre that'll be a metro/bus/taxi ride as well. Thanks, but I'll just jump in the car and go.
"My sister has 2 kids: a baby and a toddler, and no car. I've been out with them for the day multiple times and none of us ever threatened to lose our sanity at any point."
Well it depends how far you go doesn't it. Going to the park isn't quite the same as going to a town that would take 4-5 hours by train and bus since nice Mr Beeching closed the station.
"What I have noticed it that car addicts (my brother is one) simply can't understand how people can cope without, especially with kids. People with kids and no car can't understand how car addicts make such a massive meal of going outside the house with a baby."
I lived without a car for years and I wouldn't go back to not owning one. If you're happy waiting at a bus stop in the pissing rain or being packed like a sardine into a train thats turned up 30 mins late with 800 other people then bully for you. But not all of us enjoy masochism. I'll use PT to get into central london, for everywhere else I'll take the car and enjoy the extra time I don't have to spend waiting around.
"Public transport goes almost everywhere I need,"
Then you obviously don't need to go anywhere outside of the city or somewhere that isn't served by national rail. I also live in London and I'd be fecked without my car because I have friends and relatives who live in small towns up north which by car takes 2 hours and by public transport would take literally half a day. And then theres just having days out in the car with the baby. Good luck doing that on a train or bus and retaining your sanity.
Give it up, just give it up before you make a complete ass of yourself.
Sounds like you don't know much about sport, friend. Sport involves physical effort. Calling something a sport just to get the reflected glory of real sports doesn't make it so however much the protagonists would wish otherwise. "E-sports" is just a macho term for playing video games. It ain't a sport.
Boxing is real combat involving real effort and pain with potentially real physical consequences. This is just a bunch of fat, pasty faced kids sitting on couches pressing keys. Its hard to take it seriously no matter how much money is involved.
More like they raised an eyebrow in their seats. These players have long since gone past the stage at which their bodies are capable of any physical movement beyond pressing keys and reaching for the drinks can.
... news on the CD which when hit with an infrared laser causes the embedded explosives to detonate!
And no one notices? Relying on a machine to do all the work sounds a bit like leaving a dog to guard against other dogs. It might work or they might end up sniffing each others balls.
"Plugins are a source of performance problems, crashes, and security incidents for Web users"
So is your browser. And whatever happened to choice? If I want to use a plugin that may crash occasionally thats up to me - not you. What next - I can only view web pages that your browser deems acceptable? Asshats.
"You've never developed software in a large company, have you?"
Sorry - I've developed software in a considerable number of large companies including in Aviation.
"No one past a first level manager has much clue how the code works. Not even the grunts writing the code understand all the implications of the code"
That may well be the case, but a couple of grunts don't take it upon themselves to carry out what is essentially fraud without it coming from higher up the food chain,.
"And I can totally imagine that upper management never thought about the implications of each group on each other."
Then they have no business being in upper management.
Wrong. I live in the EU pal. The sooner the whole corrupt dated edifice collapses around Merkel the better. Its simply a way for the germans and french to bully all the other countries into doing what they want.
... if one day it gets out that this was discovered a long time again by certain intelligence agencies.
Anyone with a working brain knows thats a load of arse covering BS by a boss lined up against the wall. There is simply no way a "couple of engineers" could so radically fool the rest of their colleagues and alter the code without anyone noticing the changes. Not only that we're supposed to believe none of the test engineers noticed the major discrepancy in emissions pre-release and no one in the heirachy asked how such amazing emissions AND performane were being achieved? Pul-lease.
Its one big deceit foisted on a gullible public for the benefit of political class gravy trainers.
He was just one guy. Wait until there are a million zombie PCs doing the same thing for a week. Lets see how well the blockchain copes then.
If you have to ask the question you won't understand the reason for the answer.
... that Wayland is a solution for a problem thats already been solved better.
Perhaps bring back some useful features like handling stderr properly and maybe just being pointed at some master shell scripts at startup that do the rest of the work in a syntax people have understood for 40 years. Maybe name it "init". I like that name.