Or maybe draw up a list of Islamic militants and post it. Oh, they won't? Why is that then? A bit scared of what might happen? Boo hoo.
Typical 21st century armchair warriors, pick on easy targets and make it look like you're a hero Sticking It To The Man when you know you're really living in a comfy democracy where nothing particularly bad is going to happen to you. Try doing the same in various other countries around the world and see how long it is before someone kicks down your door at 3am and your family never see you again.
It simply matched the intellectual level of your argument.
"Yes, and step by step it incrementally becomes more of a police state until someone steps in, uses those powers and it becomes a dictatorship. "
Oh really? So Stalin and hitler got to power by evesdropping on emails and phone calls did they? You've got a lot to learn about politics my friend and by the sounds of things , life in general.
"You are the domestic enemy we are warned about."
Oh look, out comes the tin foil hat.
"To put it another way you enjoy being anally fist fucked,"
Thats an interesting response from someone who just told me to grow up. How about you take your own advice sonny.
"In my context I was thinking of my grandfather who fought in both world wars"
We've all got grandparents or great grandparents who fought in something so you can cut off your cross for a start.
"How these establishment of police states leads to state sponsored terrorism, which is scarier than fundamentalism in a different way."
Whatever. The exact same "police state" rhetoric arguments was wheeled out when fingerprinting was indroduced, then DNA matching, then CCTV. Change the bloody record.
Except in this case its being made public knowledge that this can be done. Though frankly I'd be amazed if the facilities to do it haven't been there for years anyway.
And as you prove by your statement - if a government wants to collect information on its population its been able to do it for centuries. The normans did it in the 11th century with their Domesday Book. This little black box changes nothing.
You know, perhaps you and people like you who spout this drivel should go to a quiet room and consider the difference between mass genocide of jews, gypsies, gays and eastern europeans by the nazis (yes, hello Godwin) plus the indescriminate bombing of civilian populations in Britain and elsewhere, and the recording of your phone conversations and emails on a little black box. Which if you work in any large company is already done anyway and has been for decades.
If the hardware is still fully operational after 20 years in a hostile enviroment like an oil rig I'd say its anything but "crud". It was probably some of the best kit on the market.
This might come as a shock but a lot of businesses want kit that Just Works reliably 24/7, not the latest trendy junk that would impress a Hipster cycling past on his fixie bike but lasts about 5 minutes in the real world.
I know this goes against the myth of untouchable Cobol code hidden away that no one dares even look at - but bit by bit it is being replaced (by C++, java, C# whatever). Or at least in the companies I've worked in it was. One small sub section at a time with plenty of testing and a proper rollback plan.
Most people can do most things averagely well given enough time and practice. However to be exceptional at something takes an innate talent. Mozart was born, not made. Ditto einstein. And the same applies to programmers (and no, I don't count myself as one these elite).
Its just another fashion trend for sheeple. Most of the idiots getting covered in tattoos right now, in 20 years time - when they look about as trendy as orange flared trousers and Maori Dragon on their arm with all the baggy skin now looks like he ate too many goats and fell down the mountain hitting every boulder on the way down - will be the ones whining that they can't afford the laser treatment to have them removed.
...renewables are going to have their work cut out for themselves just supplying a majority percentage of the power for national electricty grids. I'm not sure where they think the extra renewable power to do this will come from.
Now if they plugged the process into a nuclear power plant OTOH...
Of course the big question is how efficient is the process? Is it more efficient than just using the electricity to charge up batteries in an electric car for example?
Saidly too many people are believing this delusion. I can't help thinking thats one reason why systemd is taking over - its not that its any good , its who wrote it. Which is mystifying given what a POS PulseAudio was/is.
"And your vision of systemd is wrong by the way : educate yourself please."
How about you tell me then. Apparently you're such an uber admin that surely it'll be no problem to list the advantages of systemd compared to init. Right?
Its like asking whether you'd preferred to be mauled by a rottweiler or a pitbull.
Both are just change for changes sake and neither bring much new to the table. Sure the scripts for init could get messy but they worked, everyone was familliar with them and if no major issues have cropped up since 1991 (or 1970 for unix) then its a fair bet its a reliable sub system.
But no , the "Not Invented Here" meme popped up its ugly head again and some know it alls decided they could reinvent the wheel better. Well so far the jury is still out on that.
Its a surprise for the Millenials who seem to edit this site these days - they'll all be furiously looking up what "snail mail" and "post office" mean.
Someone always drags it out in any discussion like this as if its some kind of killer quote that nullifies any further discussion.
Newsflash: People since the dawn of time have given away freedom for security except in one specific situation - which is known as anarchy. And trust me, giving people the freedom to so whatever they damn well please with no consequences is NOT a good thing. And yes, my *security* is partly being protected from those of criminal intent and therefor I am happy with laws restricting criminal behaviour even though it also restricts my freedom.
"This is the cost of change, evolution and rapid development. Things get left behind, even if they were good products/services. "
Who says its a cost we want to pay? Millennials might be happy blowing money to upgrade to the latest Ooo Shiny! tech every 2 years but some of us have more important things to spend it on. I'm not going to be some consumer sheep/fanboy upgrading all the time just to keep some corporations bank balance in the black.
"Do you recall the last time you saw a "dumb" DVD or Blu-Ray player for sale that did not have "those" features?"
I bought a Sony blue ray player a couple of years back and half the network "apps" didn't even work out the box. Personally I didn't give a damn , I just wanted something to play spinning disks, but IMO it does show the contempt manufacturers hold their customers in these days.
.. mining , transporting and refining the ores required to create these nanowire arrays and the surrouding support material for them and the bacteria compared to the amount they sequester before they need replacing? Its a rather important fact to know.
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Or maybe draw up a list of Islamic militants and post it. Oh, they won't? Why is that then? A bit scared of what might happen? Boo hoo.
Typical 21st century armchair warriors, pick on easy targets and make it look like you're a hero Sticking It To The Man when you know you're really living in a comfy democracy where nothing particularly bad is going to happen to you. Try doing the same in various other countries around the world and see how long it is before someone kicks down your door at 3am and your family never see you again.
"What a mature reaction on your part, GTFU."
It simply matched the intellectual level of your argument.
"Yes, and step by step it incrementally becomes more of a police state until someone steps in, uses those powers and it becomes a dictatorship. "
Oh really? So Stalin and hitler got to power by evesdropping on emails and phone calls did they? You've got a lot to learn about politics my friend and by the sounds of things , life in general.
"You are the domestic enemy we are warned about."
Oh look, out comes the tin foil hat.
"To put it another way you enjoy being anally fist fucked,"
Thats an interesting response from someone who just told me to grow up. How about you take your own advice sonny.
"In my context I was thinking of my grandfather who fought in both world wars"
We've all got grandparents or great grandparents who fought in something so you can cut off your cross for a start.
"How these establishment of police states leads to state sponsored terrorism, which is scarier than fundamentalism in a different way."
Whatever. The exact same "police state" rhetoric arguments was wheeled out when fingerprinting was indroduced, then DNA matching, then CCTV. Change the bloody record.
Except in this case its being made public knowledge that this can be done. Though frankly I'd be amazed if the facilities to do it haven't been there for years anyway.
And as you prove by your statement - if a government wants to collect information on its population its been able to do it for centuries. The normans did it in the 11th century with their Domesday Book. This little black box changes nothing.
That tired old appeal to "what they fought for"
You know, perhaps you and people like you who spout this drivel should go to a quiet room and consider the difference between mass genocide of jews, gypsies, gays and eastern europeans by the nazis (yes, hello Godwin) plus the indescriminate bombing of civilian populations in Britain and elsewhere, and the recording of your phone conversations and emails on a little black box. Which if you work in any large company is already done anyway and has been for decades.
GTFU!
If the hardware is still fully operational after 20 years in a hostile enviroment like an oil rig I'd say its anything but "crud". It was probably some of the best kit on the market.
This might come as a shock but a lot of businesses want kit that Just Works reliably 24/7, not the latest trendy junk that would impress a Hipster cycling past on his fixie bike but lasts about 5 minutes in the real world.
I know this goes against the myth of untouchable Cobol code hidden away that no one dares even look at - but bit by bit it is being replaced (by C++, java, C# whatever). Or at least in the companies I've worked in it was. One small sub section at a time with plenty of testing and a proper rollback plan.
Most people can do most things averagely well given enough time and practice. However to be exceptional at something takes an innate talent. Mozart was born, not made. Ditto einstein. And the same applies to programmers (and no, I don't count myself as one these elite).
That the best you could come up with?
Its just another fashion trend for sheeple. Most of the idiots getting covered in tattoos right now, in 20 years time - when they look about as trendy as orange flared trousers and Maori Dragon on their arm with all the baggy skin now looks like he ate too many goats and fell down the mountain hitting every boulder on the way down - will be the ones whining that they can't afford the laser treatment to have them removed.
Are some people planning on wearing them in their mouths then?
...renewables are going to have their work cut out for themselves just supplying a majority percentage of the power for national electricty grids. I'm not sure where they think the extra renewable power to do this will come from.
Now if they plugged the process into a nuclear power plant OTOH...
Of course the big question is how efficient is the process? Is it more efficient than just using the electricity to charge up batteries in an electric car for example?
Saidly too many people are believing this delusion. I can't help thinking thats one reason why systemd is taking over - its not that its any good , its who wrote it. Which is mystifying given what a POS PulseAudio was/is.
"I don't have a fucking clue and hope to bluff my way out"
Nice try. No cigar. Not even a butt end.
Oh right. Because the systemd config is sooo simple in a situation like that.
"And your vision of systemd is wrong by the way : educate yourself please."
How about you tell me then. Apparently you're such an uber admin that surely it'll be no problem to list the advantages of systemd compared to init. Right?
Never underestimate the power of the herd mentality.
"but linux distros, largely run for free by hobbiests?"
Its not 1995 anymore.
"We've adopted it on an increasingly large scale and we are seeing the rewards already."
List them. And be specific - no vague handwaving waffle please.
Its like asking whether you'd preferred to be mauled by a rottweiler or a pitbull.
Both are just change for changes sake and neither bring much new to the table. Sure the scripts for init could get messy but they worked, everyone was familliar with them and if no major issues have cropped up since 1991 (or 1970 for unix) then its a fair bet its a reliable sub system.
But no , the "Not Invented Here" meme popped up its ugly head again and some know it alls decided they could reinvent the wheel better. Well so far the jury is still out on that.
Its a surprise for the Millenials who seem to edit this site these days - they'll all be furiously looking up what "snail mail" and "post office" mean.
Someone always drags it out in any discussion like this as if its some kind of killer quote that nullifies any further discussion.
Newsflash: People since the dawn of time have given away freedom for security except in one specific situation - which is known as anarchy. And trust me, giving people the freedom to so whatever they damn well please with no consequences is NOT a good thing.
And yes, my *security* is partly being protected from those of criminal intent and therefor I am happy with laws restricting criminal behaviour even though it also restricts my freedom.
To sum up: Franklin was full of it.
"This is the cost of change, evolution and rapid development. Things get left behind, even if they were good products/services. "
Who says its a cost we want to pay? Millennials might be happy blowing money to upgrade to the latest Ooo Shiny! tech every 2 years but some of us have more important things to spend it on. I'm not going to be some consumer sheep/fanboy upgrading all the time just to keep some corporations bank balance in the black.
"Do you recall the last time you saw a "dumb" DVD or Blu-Ray player for sale that did not have "those" features?"
I bought a Sony blue ray player a couple of years back and half the network "apps" didn't even work out the box. Personally I didn't give a damn , I just wanted something to play spinning disks, but IMO it does show the contempt manufacturers hold their customers in these days.
You ever considered reading a post properly before replying? Try it, you never know, it might make you look less of a bell-end.
.. mining , transporting and refining the ores required to create these nanowire arrays and the surrouding support material for them and the bacteria compared to the amount they sequester before they need replacing? Its a rather important fact to know.