Funny. I loved the movie, but I thought the web site was a bore. I decided not to visit it before seeing the movie as to not ruin any potential for suspense; and I thought it sucked when I visited it afterword. Not only was it nigh impossible to navigate, it seemed to be cheesy and take away from the movie.
I've heard a lot of people say they were bored. Strange. I was riveted. But then again, I've heard a lot of people say Eyes Wide Shut was boring, and again, I could not move if I wanted to when I was watching it.
I wonder how much of the complaints here are due to the fact that it is popular. This is why I fear the "geek community;" so many of them seem to quickly betray their own beliefs if they happen to coincide with the opinions of the masses. If Linux takes over, I think most of the/. community will drop it.
Katz, and other shifty geeks out there: get your own mind. Like the movie, or dislike it; but don't dislike it because others like it. "I took the road less travelled by/And that has made all the difference." Bah! The only difference it makes is trashing your life on the whims of others.
Still, I suppose that an infinite number of monkeys pounding on an infinite number of computer keyboards might just do better than Windows. Now *that* I almost believe.
Isn't that Linux?
Actually, I've always theorized that Windows is actually a by-product of those monkeys trying to achieve Shakespeare... in that light, Microsoft is a major accomplishment!
OK. You've convinced me. Everybody who is still actually wasting their time reading these posts and using the most illogical and inane insults to try to convince me to be a patriot and kill someone, stop.
We need more people like you. Thanks.
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It would help me take this seriously if you weren't hiding behind that "AC" label.
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This would be a LOT easier, and a LOT more civil if we could take our personal debate outside of the public realm of/.
However, your logic is poor because you read: X results in Y, and X also results in Z. You assumed it meant (nothing else) results in Y, or (nothing else) results in Z. I didn't say or imply this, and you're argument against me is founded upon it.
Your reply shows that you OBVIOUSLY did not read what I said.
I can't waste my time on this. If you're serious about actually trying to convince me instead of rambling on with your mindless rhetoric, mail me. You've got the address.
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No, I won't hate you for it, and I apologize for blurring the line so much between "in the military" and "killer." I agree with what you say, in fact; it just makes me sad.
My arguments here are based on my ideals. I would sincerely hope that the abolition of military and violence would fall under everybody's ideals; however, because we live in a society which is not ideal, it appears we need to violate our own ideals.
I just think it needs to be noted that violating ideals comes close to violating ethics. And it should only be done with utmost care.
Although I "ideally" wouldn't want it, thank you for your sacrifice.
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Sorry. Poor logic on your part. I suggest picking up "Introduction to Logic" by Irving M. Copi (you can probably find in on Amazon).
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Again, I only ask that you think about what I said.
I am stating that my ethics lead me to choose the GPL. The same set of my ethics opposes the ownership and/or use of firearms.
I believe that all decisions in life should be based on a set of ethics; if you disagree with me here, I think we have a fundamental breach. To me, guns and opression go hand-in-hand. Linux is the farthest thing from opression.
I am not stating that gun owners who use Linux are unethical. I am (and have been, if you care to read what I've said) asking how they can go hand in hand under the same set of ethics.
I'll simplify this for simpler minds: You need to show me one thing from this list:
1) It is OK to make a decision (like what OS you use) not based on ethics. (This is a hard route to take... saying "it is OK" seems to say "it is ethical") 2) Guns do not imply opression. (I cannot understand how this argument would work, but if you can make it, go for it!) 3) Linux/GPL does not imply freedom. 4) Every choice one makes is independant from one's other choices. (This seems to be the path you are taking. If you prove this, however, I think you de-centralize life from the individual, which seems to me a bad thing.) 5) There is no such thing as "ethics."
There might be other options. In fact, I will probably get belligerant replys to this stating "You forgot to say 6) ESR likes guns," or "6) The Gnu should be hunted to extinction."
Again, I think this debate has gotten too off-topic and too extensive for the realm of/. I would love to continue it via e-mail.
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I disagree. I have one set of ethics; these are the set of ethics which made me choose the GPL, these are the set of ethics which made me choose not to be a killer.
I am not asking that the military or other gun enthusiasts be forbidden under GPL terms. I am stating that these bodies should not exist, which I think is the seed of a larger debate.
My point was, and still is this: If the GPL is an ethical choice for one who is a gun advocate, I will question his/her ethics. If there are no ethics involved in making the choice, then I have no qualms about combining the two.
I have qualms that this one made a choice without thinking about ethics.
I choose the GPL. Since when does this mean I have to abandon my feelings, personal experiences, beliefs, or ethics simply because some other guy who also chose the GPL does? I like ESR. I like his essays, I like what he has done and said, I like his support of the GPL.
But I am getting really damn sick of all these people who want me to abandon my personal beliefs and do as ESR or Linus or any other notable geek does. I whole-heartedly believe the great and intelligent ESR is wrong on this issue.
ESR is wrong. And I use Linux.
Gosh. If I wanted to embrace an ideology in which I didn't have to think for myself, I'd be running MacOS or Windows 9x. But I happen to agree with the ethics of the GPL, and though it is a stretch, I do not believe that these are compatable with the "ethics" of killing another person.
Drooling groupies with no self-reflection belong in Redmond. However, so long as I compile my kernel, I will stand by my beliefs.
And I swear to God, I'll kill anyone who tries to take them away!...wait a minute...
Linux and guns don't mix. Any body which has a purpose of opressing another organization should have problems with the GPL. Anyone who agrees with the GPL should have severe problems with the Army.
Feel free to contradict me, but please do so by using logic rather than flames. Or bullets:)
This is off-subject, but pertenent to this comment. It would be nice if/. had some sort of feature where users could give negative points to their own comments when they post something useless like this, and later realize it is useless.
I guess that's how I'll be thinking about this post in a couple minutes.
So walking the dog isn't entertainment, but playing Q3 is... what if we could combine them?
can anyone say miller time?
OK. The AIBO gets upgraded using the CujoBot patch from Quake, sharpened teeth, and a module where a rocket launcher can be installed (Ludicrous Gibs!) You then take him out for his entertaining walk. Hey, is that Old Man Jenkens watering his lawn?
a) Where was my mistake? Not that I deny making it, just out of curiousity...
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What does it matter who posted it, so long as it got posted? I don't want to sit by and let Big Brother (or Big Janet... *cough*) take me up the butt while I bitch about the fact that I saw them with that horny look in their eyes before you did...
OK. I think it's gotten to the point where no one else here really wants to read our little discussion. e-mail me and explain why it's not good to have open source on the derived work... I think that is a good idea. I could be hopelessly naive here, so please correct me (via e-mail) if I am. "Sell" it to me:)
This has the most significant of implications for our society.
Too bad I don't know what they are.:) IMUHO (uber -humble), the coolest thing about the article was the artistic interpretation of the probe landing on Titan. The rest of it... well, the rest of it can be summed up in, "Cool, there's oil on Titan."
I guess I just wanted something more entertaining. Like, "There's an open sea on Titan, and the Navy can't find any traces of JFK jr's plane in it anywhere."
But maybe I'm just as morbid as a nihilistic mule.
1) Consider the community. Almost everyone here loves the GPL. If you're going to bash it, you need to provide evidence... not just say "GPL dr00lz" (a paraphrasing of the comment at the top of this thread.)
2) The comment made no sense. It should have gotten moderated down even if you replaced the negatives in it with positives. It doesn't say anything worthwhile. Instead of saying "foo should not be foobar," say "foo is not foobar because foobar promotes pig-raping and nuclear holocaust."
But other than that, I think that was a very intelligent and worthwhile bashing of the/. moderators. Thanks for making my day 6 inches brighter.
no, trouble understanding gramer. problems speling neglagebel. pronouns (personal) unessary... geeks need not to write.
damn it people, isn't the philosophy behind coding very similar to sentence diagramming? shouldn't we be the people who speak correctly? sorry for ranting, but it irritates me to see a group of people so incapable of expressing themselves. not that i'm trashing hemos here... it just comes to a head with him because he posts.
if we're serious about this "revolution" thing, we need to give people a reason to take us seriously. communication is essential... yes, even with the outside world.
i don't really know where this came from, and i beg the moderators to regulate the hell out of it for being off topic.
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Dude... did Katz just fail the turing test?
I've heard a lot of people say they were bored. Strange. I was riveted. But then again, I've heard a lot of people say Eyes Wide Shut was boring, and again, I could not move if I wanted to when I was watching it.
I guess I'm just messed in the head.
Katz, and other shifty geeks out there: get your own mind. Like the movie, or dislike it; but don't dislike it because others like it. "I took the road less travelled by/And that has made all the difference." Bah! The only difference it makes is trashing your life on the whims of others.
Isn't that Linux?
Actually, I've always theorized that Windows is actually a by-product of those monkeys trying to achieve Shakespeare... in that light, Microsoft is a major accomplishment!
Right on. The overwhelming amount of sexist drivel on this page is really starting to piss me off.
There is no such thing as equality. Object-oriented programming I can understand... but it is really messed up to go for object-oriented dating.
We need more people like you. Thanks.
It would help me take this seriously if you weren't hiding behind that "AC" label.
However, your logic is poor because you read: X results in Y, and X also results in Z. You assumed it meant (nothing else) results in Y, or (nothing else) results in Z. I didn't say or imply this, and you're argument against me is founded upon it.
I really suggest e-mailing me.
I can't waste my time on this. If you're serious about actually trying to convince me instead of rambling on with your mindless rhetoric, mail me. You've got the address.
My arguments here are based on my ideals. I would sincerely hope that the abolition of military and violence would fall under everybody's ideals; however, because we live in a society which is not ideal, it appears we need to violate our own ideals.
I just think it needs to be noted that violating ideals comes close to violating ethics. And it should only be done with utmost care.
Although I "ideally" wouldn't want it, thank you for your sacrifice.
Sorry. Poor logic on your part. I suggest picking up "Introduction to Logic" by Irving M. Copi (you can probably find in on Amazon).
I am stating that my ethics lead me to choose the GPL. The same set of my ethics opposes the ownership and/or use of firearms.
I believe that all decisions in life should be based on a set of ethics; if you disagree with me here, I think we have a fundamental breach. To me, guns and opression go hand-in-hand. Linux is the farthest thing from opression.
I am not stating that gun owners who use Linux are unethical. I am (and have been, if you care to read what I've said) asking how they can go hand in hand under the same set of ethics.
I'll simplify this for simpler minds: You need to show me one thing from this list:
1) It is OK to make a decision (like what OS you use) not based on ethics. (This is a hard route to take... saying "it is OK" seems to say "it is ethical")
2) Guns do not imply opression. (I cannot understand how this argument would work, but if you can make it, go for it!)
3) Linux/GPL does not imply freedom.
4) Every choice one makes is independant from one's other choices. (This seems to be the path you are taking. If you prove this, however, I think you de-centralize life from the individual, which seems to me a bad thing.)
5) There is no such thing as "ethics."
There might be other options. In fact, I will probably get belligerant replys to this stating "You forgot to say 6) ESR likes guns," or "6) The Gnu should be hunted to extinction."
Again, I think this debate has gotten too off-topic and too extensive for the realm of /. I would love to continue it via e-mail.
I am not asking that the military or other gun enthusiasts be forbidden under GPL terms. I am stating that these bodies should not exist, which I think is the seed of a larger debate.
My point was, and still is this: If the GPL is an ethical choice for one who is a gun advocate, I will question his/her ethics. If there are no ethics involved in making the choice, then I have no qualms about combining the two.
I have qualms that this one made a choice without thinking about ethics.
I choose the GPL. Since when does this mean I have to abandon my feelings, personal experiences, beliefs, or ethics simply because some other guy who also chose the GPL does? I like ESR. I like his essays, I like what he has done and said, I like his support of the GPL.
But I am getting really damn sick of all these people who want me to abandon my personal beliefs and do as ESR or Linus or any other notable geek does. I whole-heartedly believe the great and intelligent ESR is wrong on this issue.
ESR is wrong. And I use Linux.
Gosh. If I wanted to embrace an ideology in which I didn't have to think for myself, I'd be running MacOS or Windows 9x. But I happen to agree with the ethics of the GPL, and though it is a stretch, I do not believe that these are compatable with the "ethics" of killing another person.
Drooling groupies with no self-reflection belong in Redmond. However, so long as I compile my kernel, I will stand by my beliefs.
And I swear to God, I'll kill anyone who tries to take them away! ...wait a minute...
I agree.
:)
Linux and guns don't mix. Any body which has a purpose of opressing another organization should have problems with the GPL. Anyone who agrees with the GPL should have severe problems with the Army.
Feel free to contradict me, but please do so by using logic rather than flames. Or bullets
I guess that's how I'll be thinking about this post in a couple minutes.
can anyone say miller time?
OK. The AIBO gets upgraded using the CujoBot patch from Quake, sharpened teeth, and a module where a rocket launcher can be installed (Ludicrous Gibs!) You then take him out for his entertaining walk. Hey, is that Old Man Jenkens watering his lawn?
Not anymore :)
a) Where was my mistake? Not that I deny making it, just out of curiousity...
What does it matter who posted it, so long as it got posted? I don't want to sit by and let Big Brother (or Big Janet... *cough*) take me up the butt while I bitch about the fact that I saw them with that horny look in their eyes before you did...
OK. I think it's gotten to the point where no one else here really wants to read our little discussion. e-mail me and explain why it's not good to have open source on the derived work... I think that is a good idea. I could be hopelessly naive here, so please correct me (via e-mail) if I am. "Sell" it to me :)
e-mail me if you have to. I want to know.
Too bad I don't know what they are. :) IMUHO (uber -humble), the coolest thing about the article was the artistic interpretation of the probe landing on Titan. The rest of it... well, the rest of it can be summed up in, "Cool, there's oil on Titan."
I guess I just wanted something more entertaining. Like, "There's an open sea on Titan, and the Navy can't find any traces of JFK jr's plane in it anywhere."
But maybe I'm just as morbid as a nihilistic mule.
1) Consider the community. Almost everyone here loves the GPL. If you're going to bash it, you need to provide evidence... not just say "GPL dr00lz" (a paraphrasing of the comment at the top of this thread.)
2) The comment made no sense. It should have gotten moderated down even if you replaced the negatives in it with positives. It doesn't say anything worthwhile. Instead of saying "foo should not be foobar," say "foo is not foobar because foobar promotes pig-raping and nuclear holocaust."
But other than that, I think that was a very intelligent and worthwhile bashing of the /. moderators. Thanks for making my day 6 inches brighter.
damn it people, isn't the philosophy behind coding very similar to sentence diagramming? shouldn't we be the people who speak correctly? sorry for ranting, but it irritates me to see a group of people so incapable of expressing themselves. not that i'm trashing hemos here... it just comes to a head with him because he posts.
if we're serious about this "revolution" thing, we need to give people a reason to take us seriously. communication is essential... yes, even with the outside world.
i don't really know where this came from, and i beg the moderators to regulate the hell out of it for being off topic.