yes, yes, C++ is everywhere and was created by a Bell-Labs researcher, just like C/Unix. Still, Unix-systems and tools are written mostly in C, whereas Windows is all C++.
BTW, many of these patterns (or idioms) are only really useful in the realm of OO, imperative languages in the C++ tradition. More expressive, functional languages like Scheme, Haskell or OCaml really handle solutions much more gracefully via first-class functions, closures, currying or whatever...
the point is (or should be) that C is a minimalistic language and begs for a minimalistic answer in the same spirit. Which was just what Stroustrup provided.
on the other hand, Stroustrup also provided one hell of a barroque opera on top of C, so i'm not really sure he understands the C/Unix spirit. C is tied to Unix programming and C++ to Windows programming, mostly. You make your own mind over who -- Linus or Stroustrup -- understands C better...
"et's see you email Newton and ask him a question. Or ring up Einstein and ask about something in his paper."
gosh, i wonder how much time these fellows would have in their hands once they got past well 2:00PM just answering provocative emails and trollish forum threads defying their theories...
yeah, all risks are well thought out when they are other people's problems, huh?
Let's rephrase it, taking into account that the Korean Peninsula is roughly the same area (220,000 km) to that of the state of Kansas (213,096 km). Would you think it would be ok to nuke Western Kansas from Eastern Kansas? Would you accept the risks?
but then again, i guess north americans are not as crazy as some suicidal islamic communist yellows, huh?
He wants someone to write the business software for them. There are no significant "support" problems in using a well-tested widget toolkit, except not knowing how to use it.
Ubuntu is tweaked towards average joe users. What it means is that for average joe needs, it has most common options in sane default settings and also has menus for most settings a common user should need. Tweaking network filter rules surely isn't one of them.
I predict Nintendo will haunt and criminally persecute all major emulation sites out there. That's the real reason behind these "virtual console" efforts: to make even legitimate uses of emulators by people who own the original machines and games a crime, so that people will have to buy the games they actually purchased back then again.
I don't know how they'll cope with open-source emulators, though, since the code is out there in the wild...
truth be told, it's not just Nintendo: M$ has a similar effort and it's been rumoured that PS3 games won't run in hardware other than the one they were first run at, making it impossible to resell.
it's M$ Windows Vista M$ Ribbon Office M$ XBox 360 M$ Zune M$.Net M$ IE7
Everywhere you look at, there's M$. Damn, i'm sure there'll be one of these in the bathroom or the kitchen soon enough...
my Big Brother fear come true: i work all day staring at M$Office on M$Windows, with a few moments of fun by reading M$N mail via M$IE, then i come home and watch some M$NBC in my M$TV, quickly turn over to my M$XBox 360, go to my M$ fridge and take a M$ beer and go to sleep. The next day, i take the M$ bus to go to work at my M$-owned firm and put on my M$ Zune to listen to some quality M$-sponsored musicians...
"In Linux, said user will never in a million years open up a terminal, type..."
the problem with/.ers is clichés from years ago. Your cliché of a common joe typing in xterm is just as laughable as penguinists seeing BSoDs every few weeks in XP...
Use Ubuntu, Suse or others and tell me you have once to type in a command-line except you really want to.
Fun is a subjective matter. Some people do have fun with hardcore challanges, like beating Devil May Cry in the hardest mode. Some people have no fun at all with Wind Waker -- even though it isn't any less fun than other Zelda games -- just because of the childish presentation.
Fun depends on a multitude of factors and personal tastes. That's why i find it wrong to automatically label every kiddy Nintendo game as Fun because that's the only appeal it has...
Games are not just about fun. A compelling storyline, music and mood go a long way into creating a fascinating world in itself, one into which you'd like to live. Ask any WoW fan.
Hardcore challenges count too. Even though some games are frustratingly difficult -- hardly what one would consider fun -- the reward of finally beating it more than makes up it.
So, games are really not just about fun. Stop telling that for every childish Nintendo game. I hate Pókemon, Nintendogs and Animal Whatever...
Personally, I'm glad TP will bring back OoT more mature graphics style. In the end, it'll be just as fun as any Zelda game, but much more compelling to me...
"the effects are far beyond anything that Vista does"
hey, i'm an Xgl fan myself, but let's not blow smoke, ok? There's the useless jello windows that i'd gladly switch for Aero's ability to draw stuff underneath transparent layers with a distinct Gaussian Blur. It's good because that way things are not so confusing: you can read first plane stuff without writings underneath getting in the way. OTOH, it's bad because of the same thing, for control freaks...
granted, putting Gaussian blur in Xgl doesn't seem that difficult...
well, nice accomplishment. But, can it run anything other than vi, sed, awk and ssh? Can it run Firefox and gedit? I'm not even asking for OpenOffice, sure...
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yes, yes, C++ is everywhere and was created by a Bell-Labs researcher, just like C/Unix. Still, Unix-systems and tools are written mostly in C, whereas Windows is all C++.
BTW, many of these patterns (or idioms) are only really useful in the realm of OO, imperative languages in the C++ tradition. More expressive, functional languages like Scheme, Haskell or OCaml really handle solutions much more gracefully via first-class functions, closures, currying or whatever...
the point is (or should be) that C is a minimalistic language and begs for a minimalistic answer in the same spirit. Which was just what Stroustrup provided.
on the other hand, Stroustrup also provided one hell of a barroque opera on top of C, so i'm not really sure he understands the C/Unix spirit. C is tied to Unix programming and C++ to Windows programming, mostly. You make your own mind over who -- Linus or Stroustrup -- understands C better...
"I was surprised nobody mentioned the design patterns book"
programmers program, designers design. that's why.
"et's see you email Newton and ask him a question. Or ring up Einstein and ask about something in his paper."
gosh, i wonder how much time these fellows would have in their hands once they got past well 2:00PM just answering provocative emails and trollish forum threads defying their theories...
yeah, all risks are well thought out when they are other people's problems, huh?
Let's rephrase it, taking into account that the Korean Peninsula is roughly the same area (220,000 km) to that of the state of Kansas (213,096 km). Would you think it would be ok to nuke Western Kansas from Eastern Kansas? Would you accept the risks?
but then again, i guess north americans are not as crazy as some suicidal islamic communist yellows, huh?
"If North Korea nukes the South, the Americans will nuke North Korea"
why bother? They'll be dead from the nearby nuclear wastes and nuclear winter in a short period of time anyway. It's almost like shooting their foot.
Unless they do the Bin Laden cave-hiding thing for their entire populace and have large stocks of food.
stupid humans.
He wants someone to write the business software for them. There are no significant "support" problems in using a well-tested widget toolkit, except not knowing how to use it.
as i replied to the guy above, it was a joke. still...
"programmers have a marketable skill that allows them to make money independent of selling t-shirts"
yes, because a talented guitarrist or pianist lacks any marketable skill whatsoever...
sorry, forgot the [joke] tag
"more bands they like and want to support"
why don't they do like open-source projects?
"Hey, music is free, but please purchase our cool shirt for a small fee in our online store via paypal"
yes, yes... i was giving an example of a broader spectrum... ;)
java vs javascript
or in other words:
strongly-typed statically checked compiled language proponents vs weakly-typed dynamically checked interpreted language enthusiasts.
which is really as old a debate as C vs LISP...
yawn...
Ubuntu is tweaked towards average joe users. What it means is that for average joe needs, it has most common options in sane default settings and also has menus for most settings a common user should need. Tweaking network filter rules surely isn't one of them.
...M$'s Zune "grassroots" campaign...
hey, it's doing wonders against Sony! Apple is next in line...
well, how nice. good to know average joes know how to handle networks and tweak filter rules...
I predict Nintendo will haunt and criminally persecute all major emulation sites out there. That's the real reason behind these "virtual console" efforts: to make even legitimate uses of emulators by people who own the original machines and games a crime, so that people will have to buy the games they actually purchased back then again.
I don't know how they'll cope with open-source emulators, though, since the code is out there in the wild...
truth be told, it's not just Nintendo: M$ has a similar effort and it's been rumoured that PS3 games won't run in hardware other than the one they were first run at, making it impossible to resell.
it's .Net
M$ Windows Vista
M$ Ribbon Office
M$ XBox 360
M$ Zune
M$
M$ IE7
Everywhere you look at, there's M$. Damn, i'm sure there'll be one of these in the bathroom or the kitchen soon enough...
my Big Brother fear come true: i work all day staring at M$Office on M$Windows, with a few moments of fun by reading M$N mail via M$IE, then i come home and watch some M$NBC in my M$TV, quickly turn over to my M$XBox 360, go to my M$ fridge and take a M$ beer and go to sleep. The next day, i take the M$ bus to go to work at my M$-owned firm and put on my M$ Zune to listen to some quality M$-sponsored musicians...
huh, Zonk, Shenmue is a Dreamcast game...
"There can be no rational reason not to use windows"
well, here's one: because i prize my freedom.
here's another: because, for me, Linux suits my needs better.
I guess they're both pretty rational from my point of view.
"In Linux, said user will never in a million years open up a terminal, type..."
/.ers is clichés from years ago. Your cliché of a common joe typing in xterm is just as laughable as penguinists seeing BSoDs every few weeks in XP...
the problem with
Use Ubuntu, Suse or others and tell me you have once to type in a command-line except you really want to.
Fun is a subjective matter. Some people do have fun with hardcore challanges, like beating Devil May Cry in the hardest mode. Some people have no fun at all with Wind Waker -- even though it isn't any less fun than other Zelda games -- just because of the childish presentation.
Fun depends on a multitude of factors and personal tastes. That's why i find it wrong to automatically label every kiddy Nintendo game as Fun because that's the only appeal it has...
Games are not just about fun. A compelling storyline, music and mood go a long way into creating a fascinating world in itself, one into which you'd like to live. Ask any WoW fan.
Hardcore challenges count too. Even though some games are frustratingly difficult -- hardly what one would consider fun -- the reward of finally beating it more than makes up it.
So, games are really not just about fun. Stop telling that for every childish Nintendo game. I hate Pókemon, Nintendogs and Animal Whatever...
Personally, I'm glad TP will bring back OoT more mature graphics style. In the end, it'll be just as fun as any Zelda game, but much more compelling to me...
"the effects are far beyond anything that Vista does"
hey, i'm an Xgl fan myself, but let's not blow smoke, ok? There's the useless jello windows that i'd gladly switch for Aero's ability to draw stuff underneath transparent layers with a distinct Gaussian Blur. It's good because that way things are not so confusing: you can read first plane stuff without writings underneath getting in the way. OTOH, it's bad because of the same thing, for control freaks...
granted, putting Gaussian blur in Xgl doesn't seem that difficult...
well, nice accomplishment. But, can it run anything other than vi, sed, awk and ssh? Can it run Firefox and gedit? I'm not even asking for OpenOffice, sure...