So, because he is exercising his rights as a foreign citizen living in another country and going through the legally established international process for determining extradition, he is a 'fugitive' and thus his assets are fair game?
This is theft, plain and simple, just like "civil" asset forfeiture.
The USA has no problem stealing from their own citizens in their own country, its hardly a surprise that they have no problem stealing from citizens of other countrys who are also overseas.
Uh...how radical does it have to be, before it's acceptable to hit the button? How radicalized is it acceptable to be? How radicalizable are the proles?
I'd hit the button for anything political or religious in nature. Just because I can.
I love how the Democratic Party invention of free speech zones somehow became a "Dubya" thing. They may have only become widely covered starting in 2000, but they were originally an invention of the DNC to keep pro-life protestors away from their 1988 convention.
Both parties have been using them since the 2004 elections, so it's not like you can lay the blame solely on the Republicans either. Both parties do it.
The UK has had 'free speech zones' for decades, its called 'Hyde Park Speaker's Corner'.
a well regulated militia was the PEOPLE. That means the people have a right to bear arms.... And well regulated means registering with the government so it knows who has a gun so they can be called upon it times of invasion or insurrection.
No, it does not. It means "well trained".
No, it didn't. It meant that the guns had been properly tested.
don't get me wrong, i love their fans... but come on, it's a fan. those exec and investors are dreaming if you think that market is that large.
Its not just fans, they also make pretty good heatsinks. A lot of those heatsinks are pure copper. So Zalman must get through quite a lot of the stuff and it isn't cheap.
For example, I used to have a dual CPU machine with two large Zalman pure copper heatsinks, the sort that are really big and have fins in a fan-out arrangement. In total there was about half a kilo of copper hanging off of that motherboard. They didn't even need fans on them, just the case fan was enough.
Manufacturing this shit must involve having a lot of copper stock.
I am familiar with US / western bankruptcy law. This is Korea so your mileage will vary.
Well its Korea so it'll involve having a big meeting with everyone; the people at the top can't make a decision without consulting with everyone all the way down to the janitors.
First off, being a Muslim has nothing to do with screaming, crying, and arresting as soon as they express a view we don't like.
Muslim is a religious choice, and just like Christians or any other religion, there are those who are fanatical about it. They are dangerous, remember the holy crusades?
There are people who are fanatical who have nothing to do with religion at all, what group do you insult for them? There's plenty of Muslims who live in Canada who are perfectly reasonable respectable people who are not violent who appreciate that you have your own way you live your life, and aren't coming to you to force you to change it, and just want to be respected for their way of life like any other religion.
For many many people being Muslim is NOT a choice; they are born into it. When they reach an age where they are rational enough to be able to decide whether they really want to be Muslim or not they are faced with the option of leaving Islam and being an apostate. The Koran specifies the death sentence for this 'crime'.
So no, unless you are a convert theres no real choice there.
The Judge isn't the trier of fact in our legal system, that's the role of the Petit Jury, but why bother to actually learn how it works when you can just spread FUD?
Judges can also issue rulings notwithstanding the jury's recommendation, as they do when they feel the jury SHOULD have reached a particular verdict, but didn't, when it seems likely the jury is performing nullification of a law. (I believe it's called non obstante verdicto.)
For example, a person is tried for possession of a pound of marijuana with intent to distribute, and the defense claims it was his own personal supply. The prosecution has a slam-dunk, has the defendant dead-to-rights, and the defense argues that marijuana shouldn't be illegal.
The jury returns a verdict of not-guilty, even after the judge instructed the defense counsel that they COULD NOT LEGALLY USE THAT DEFENSE, and the defense replied that the defense rests. The judge has the power to disregard the jury's incorrect, (even if morally right,) decision because it's legally wrong. I can't say how often that happens off the top of my head, as IINAL, but the guy who told me this IAL,... so for whatever it's worth...
They used to have a saying: it's not enough to hire an attorney; for best results, also spring for a jury.
Jury nullification might not be illegal but it'll get you into a lot of trouble in the USA.
If they had a warrant, then it is perfectly good police tactics.
If they did not have a warrant, then it is an illegal invasion of privacy.
They electronically entered his computer and that is no different than entering his home. The fact that he had to click on it is meaningless. The creation of the malware would be illegal, without the warrant.
Now, the police may not be smart enough (or ethical enough) to have asked for the warrant, but that is what is clearly needed.
The USA government is really no better than an organised crime syndicate. They steal cash from ordinary citizens in the guise of 'war on drugs' ("you have $400 in cash? Thats OBVIOUSLY drug money").
A warrant in that environment is worth NOTHING in terms of real legitimacy. It may make it legal but when your government is a bunch of robber-barons legality does not create legitimacy.
the cops will need a search warrant to enter the house. that takes some evidence and can be contested by the worst legal aid lawyers. this is why they are seizing from banks accounts, faster, easier, no warrant, very little legal oversight and the burden of the cost and time of getting money back is on the person who lost the money
I think its mostly from cars. They pull someone over, intimidate them into letting them search the car, find cash and declare it drug money.
I agree. Close your bank accounts, use check cashing services and pay everything with cash or money orders. Done by enough people, loudly enough, would be incentive to get stodgy steak-fed Congress-clowns to fix their blunder. Likely? No. But , I can see there will be outcry if they abuse this law publicly enough. More stupid bullshit from the "superior" overlords we elected. Wait! You elected them! I didn't vote for any Repubmocrats! You did! You Goddamn fix it! You made the mess, now clean it up! And quit voting for the one-party system or quit complaining about the current government.
And when you are on your way to buy a new washing machine, or something equally innocent, and you have your $400 in cash, the police pull you over, intimidate you into letting them search you and when they find the wad of cash its 'obviously drug money', you lose the cash and are warned that if you complain you'll lose the car too. And yes they will do this for as little as $400, its worth their while. (assuming you are in the USA where this kind of thing is the new normal).
How about a modern.308 bolt-action rifle with a synthetic stock? The caliber is more than adequate; the stock won't be affected by the elements; and a bolt-action is very reliable. It's extremely simple and easy to keep clean. Almost any brand will do.
Yes, of course. Because of the shortage of wood in Canada right?
I was really unhappy with Debian's move to systemd, and the fact that once systemd is running as one's init system through a general upgrade, one cannot even go back to sysvinit..
Having heard that Slackware was resistant to systemd, I installed the latest version of Slackware on a netbook I have lying around, and while it's a fine project that clearly has its fans, it seems to require a lot of retraining for someone coming from Debian. I'd love to be able to stay on the venerable old Linux distro I have so many years of experience in.
I predict that use of systemd will result in too many 'release critical' bugs, and that future releases will be delayed very badly because of this.
P.S. Many US families do the same thing as Google, at a smaller scale. I personally know families in which the wife does not work and is stay-home mom because is "cheaper" vs. two working parents and kids in day care. This is because two spouses working would put them in a higher taxable income bracket which will also make them receive less or none of some tax deductions. Plus they will have to pay for day care. With the wife staying home, taxable income of just one working spouse is lower, there are higher tax deductions, and no day care costs. Tax evasion? No, simply a personal example of tax optimization.
A lot of countries do only tax on the revenues from their country. America is one of the few countries that tries to tax globally. That's why companies are leaving America.
There are just so many reasons to leave the USA. National security letter shenanigans would mean that I wouldn't even have any management staff physically in the USA, there would be no staff in the USA to deliver a NSL to. Taxes? I'd probably prefer to hire non-US citizens, it makes banking with foreign banks a lot easier.
Sell to the US consumer but have no presence in the country.
Do you honestly believe that someone would be allowed to run for president of the USA who wasn't in big media's pocket?
I honestly believe, that if your (cynical) point of view was connected to reality, we wouldn't have seen the sort of media bias on display in the last two elections.
Its a single party system with big media trying to give the illusion of choice.
USA and North Korea have more in common than just taxing overseas income of their citizens...
Oh, I am voting for such people alright. But the last couple of elections I was overruled by the inane majority, who consider the color of a candidate's skin more important, than his qualifications.
Oh yeah let me see. I could use Amazon and pay $3 for an episode of Southpark or $15 to watch a movie, one time and if I want to watch it again I pay again. Yeah thats going to work out.
Amazon is shit compared to Netflix for anyone who is prepared to use torrents. I only use Netflix because its monthly cost per movie is insignificant and its more convenient than torrents.
Don't take naked pictures of yourself with an Internet-connected device. Don't transmit naked pictures of yourself through others' networks and store them on others' servers.
The victims did something stupid. Had they not done something stupid, they wouldn't be victims.
...don't blame the victim (which is generally a good policy) because their benefit/risk estimation wasn't erroneous? I don't want to blame Jennifer Lawrence (as she seems to want to blame all those cursed with natural interests) but that she would've normally seen a benefit to her actions doesn't seem to directly address blame in any sense. Perhaps this ethical argument requires a simpler "ipso facto" tacked on the end for us stupid folks which are missing the connection between benefit and blame.
I don't think its so much about blame, thats something thats really being made up by the victims. Its not 'blame' to point out that what someone did was obviously dumb and risky behavior.
The problem there is theres this culture that says the world should be safe and people shouldn't have to take any precautions and just wander through life without having to be careful in any way, that people should have a right to be stupid and unobservant and careless.
Me, I take the opposite view; only danger can keep you safe from harm.
Parent AC here. Your point is well-taken, but you're also overlooking something: the foreign gov't *can* authorize search ("hacking") of those servers, even if it's a US citizen. If the foreign gov't allows it, then the Constitution is irrelevant: it's as if the foreign gov't did it and handed over the data to the US.
In short, it all comes down to legal agreements between gov'ts.
That would be the entire point of 'five eyes'; if one of the participating countries can't spy on its own citizens it can turn a blind eye to spying on those citizens by other participants in 'five eyes' and in return be given access to information thus obtained.
If you were in, say, Canada you can assume that the Australians, Brits, New Zealanders and USAians are spying the FUCK out of you and handing that data over to the Canadian authorities.
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So, because he is exercising his rights as a foreign citizen living in another country and going through the legally established international process for determining extradition, he is a 'fugitive' and thus his assets are fair game?
This is theft, plain and simple, just like "civil" asset forfeiture.
The USA has no problem stealing from their own citizens in their own country, its hardly a surprise that they have no problem stealing from citizens of other countrys who are also overseas.
Uh...how radical does it have to be, before it's acceptable to hit the button? How radicalized is it acceptable to be? How radicalizable are the proles?
I'd hit the button for anything political or religious in nature. Just because I can.
I love how the Democratic Party invention of free speech zones somehow became a "Dubya" thing. They may have only become widely covered starting in 2000, but they were originally an invention of the DNC to keep pro-life protestors away from their 1988 convention.
Both parties have been using them since the 2004 elections, so it's not like you can lay the blame solely on the Republicans either. Both parties do it.
The UK has had 'free speech zones' for decades, its called 'Hyde Park Speaker's Corner'.
a well regulated militia was the PEOPLE. That means the people have a right to bear arms....
And well regulated means registering with the government so it knows who has a gun so they can be called upon it times of invasion or insurrection.
No, it does not. It means "well trained".
No, it didn't. It meant that the guns had been properly tested.
don't get me wrong, i love their fans... but come on, it's a fan.
those exec and investors are dreaming if you think that market is that large.
Its not just fans, they also make pretty good heatsinks. A lot of those heatsinks are pure copper. So Zalman must get through quite a lot of the stuff and it isn't cheap.
For example, I used to have a dual CPU machine with two large Zalman pure copper heatsinks, the sort that are really big and have fins in a fan-out arrangement. In total there was about half a kilo of copper hanging off of that motherboard. They didn't even need fans on them, just the case fan was enough.
Manufacturing this shit must involve having a lot of copper stock.
I am familiar with US / western bankruptcy law. This is Korea so your mileage will vary.
Well its Korea so it'll involve having a big meeting with everyone; the people at the top can't make a decision without consulting with everyone all the way down to the janitors.
Then they will all get very very VERY drunk.
The UK has already banned any information which might be useful to a terrorist. Literally, thats what the law says.
First off, being a Muslim has nothing to do with screaming, crying, and arresting as soon as they express a view we don't like.
Muslim is a religious choice, and just like Christians or any other religion, there are those who are fanatical about it. They are dangerous, remember the holy crusades?
There are people who are fanatical who have nothing to do with religion at all, what group do you insult for them?
There's plenty of Muslims who live in Canada who are perfectly reasonable respectable people who are not violent who appreciate that you have your own way you live your life, and aren't coming to you to force you to change it, and just want to be respected for their way of life like any other religion.
For many many people being Muslim is NOT a choice; they are born into it. When they reach an age where they are rational enough to be able to decide whether they really want to be Muslim or not they are faced with the option of leaving Islam and being an apostate. The Koran specifies the death sentence for this 'crime'.
So no, unless you are a convert theres no real choice there.
The Judge isn't the trier of fact in our legal system, that's the role of the Petit Jury, but why bother to actually learn how it works when you can just spread FUD?
Judges can also issue rulings notwithstanding the jury's recommendation, as they do when they feel the jury SHOULD have reached a particular verdict, but didn't, when it seems likely the jury is performing nullification of a law. (I believe it's called non obstante verdicto.)
For example, a person is tried for possession of a pound of marijuana with intent to distribute, and the defense claims it was his own personal supply. The prosecution has a slam-dunk, has the defendant dead-to-rights, and the defense argues that marijuana shouldn't be illegal.
The jury returns a verdict of not-guilty, even after the judge instructed the defense counsel that they COULD NOT LEGALLY USE THAT DEFENSE, and the defense replied that the defense rests. The judge has the power to disregard the jury's incorrect, (even if morally right,) decision because it's legally wrong. I can't say how often that happens off the top of my head, as IINAL, but the guy who told me this IAL,... so for whatever it's worth...
They used to have a saying: it's not enough to hire an attorney; for best results, also spring for a jury.
Jury nullification might not be illegal but it'll get you into a lot of trouble in the USA.
lewd exhibition of the genitals.
So basically, if it gives the judge an erection you are in big trouble.
I have used Linux for 15 years without any problems.
I've used Linux since the kernel versions started with a 0.
If you haven't had any problems you aren't trying hard enough.
If they had a warrant, then it is perfectly good police tactics.
If they did not have a warrant, then it is an illegal invasion of privacy.
They electronically entered his computer and that is no different than entering his home. The fact that he had to click on it is meaningless. The creation of the malware would be illegal, without the warrant.
Now, the police may not be smart enough (or ethical enough) to have asked for the warrant, but that is what is clearly needed.
The USA government is really no better than an organised crime syndicate. They steal cash from ordinary citizens in the guise of 'war on drugs' ("you have $400 in cash? Thats OBVIOUSLY drug money").
A warrant in that environment is worth NOTHING in terms of real legitimacy. It may make it legal but when your government is a bunch of robber-barons legality does not create legitimacy.
the cops will need a search warrant to enter the house. that takes some evidence and can be contested by the worst legal aid lawyers. this is why they are seizing from banks accounts, faster, easier, no warrant, very little legal oversight and the burden of the cost and time of getting money back is on the person who lost the money
I think its mostly from cars. They pull someone over, intimidate them into letting them search the car, find cash and declare it drug money.
I agree. Close your bank accounts, use check cashing services and pay everything with cash or money orders.
Done by enough people, loudly enough, would be incentive to get stodgy steak-fed Congress-clowns to fix their blunder.
Likely? No. But , I can see there will be outcry if they abuse this law publicly enough. More stupid bullshit from the "superior" overlords we elected. Wait! You elected them! I didn't vote for any Repubmocrats! You did!
You Goddamn fix it! You made the mess, now clean it up! And quit voting for the one-party system or quit complaining about the current government.
And when you are on your way to buy a new washing machine, or something equally innocent, and you have your $400 in cash, the police pull you over, intimidate you into letting them search you and when they find the wad of cash its 'obviously drug money', you lose the cash and are warned that if you complain you'll lose the car too. And yes they will do this for as little as $400, its worth their while. (assuming you are in the USA where this kind of thing is the new normal).
How about a modern .308 bolt-action rifle with a synthetic stock? The caliber is more than adequate; the stock won't be affected by the elements; and a bolt-action is very reliable. It's extremely simple and easy to keep clean. Almost any brand will do.
Yes, of course. Because of the shortage of wood in Canada right?
I was really unhappy with Debian's move to systemd, and the fact that once systemd is running as one's init system through a general upgrade, one cannot even go back to sysvinit..
Having heard that Slackware was resistant to systemd, I installed the latest version of Slackware on a netbook I have lying around, and while it's a fine project that clearly has its fans, it seems to require a lot of retraining for someone coming from Debian. I'd love to be able to stay on the venerable old Linux distro I have so many years of experience in.
I predict that use of systemd will result in too many 'release critical' bugs, and that future releases will be delayed very badly because of this.
P.S. Many US families do the same thing as Google, at a smaller scale. I personally know families in which the wife does not work and is stay-home mom because is "cheaper" vs. two working parents and kids in day care. This is because two spouses working would put them in a higher taxable income bracket which will also make them receive less or none of some tax deductions. Plus they will have to pay for day care. With the wife staying home, taxable income of just one working spouse is lower, there are higher tax deductions, and no day care costs. Tax evasion? No, simply a personal example of tax optimization.
The IRS would probably see that as tax avoidance.
A lot of countries do only tax on the revenues from their country. America is one of the few countries that tries to tax globally. That's why companies are leaving America.
There are just so many reasons to leave the USA. National security letter shenanigans would mean that I wouldn't even have any management staff physically in the USA, there would be no staff in the USA to deliver a NSL to. Taxes? I'd probably prefer to hire non-US citizens, it makes banking with foreign banks a lot easier.
Sell to the US consumer but have no presence in the country.
I honestly believe, that if your (cynical) point of view was connected to reality, we wouldn't have seen the sort of media bias on display in the last two elections.
Its a single party system with big media trying to give the illusion of choice.
USA and North Korea have more in common than just taxing overseas income of their citizens...
Oh, I am voting for such people alright. But the last couple of elections I was overruled by the inane majority, who consider the color of a candidate's skin more important, than his qualifications.
Our "affirmative action" President plays golf with big cable CEO(s), and the rest of his party is in the big media's pocket as well.
Meanwhile, the rank-and-file partisans are encouraged to hate the Kochs brothers...
Do you honestly believe that someone would be allowed to run for president of the USA who wasn't in big media's pocket?
Oh yeah let me see. I could use Amazon and pay $3 for an episode of Southpark or $15 to watch a movie, one time and if I want to watch it again I pay again. Yeah thats going to work out.
Amazon is shit compared to Netflix for anyone who is prepared to use torrents. I only use Netflix because its monthly cost per movie is insignificant and its more convenient than torrents.
Don't take naked pictures of yourself with an Internet-connected device. Don't transmit naked pictures of yourself through others' networks and store them on others' servers.
The victims did something stupid. Had they not done something stupid, they wouldn't be victims.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/13/...
...don't blame the victim (which is generally a good policy) because their benefit/risk estimation wasn't erroneous? I don't want to blame Jennifer Lawrence (as she seems to want to blame all those cursed with natural interests) but that she would've normally seen a benefit to her actions doesn't seem to directly address blame in any sense. Perhaps this ethical argument requires a simpler "ipso facto" tacked on the end for us stupid folks which are missing the connection between benefit and blame.
I don't think its so much about blame, thats something thats really being made up by the victims. Its not 'blame' to point out that what someone did was obviously dumb and risky behavior.
The problem there is theres this culture that says the world should be safe and people shouldn't have to take any precautions and just wander through life without having to be careful in any way, that people should have a right to be stupid and unobservant and careless.
Me, I take the opposite view; only danger can keep you safe from harm.
Parent AC here. Your point is well-taken, but you're also overlooking something: the foreign gov't *can* authorize search ("hacking") of those servers, even if it's a US citizen. If the foreign gov't allows it, then the Constitution is irrelevant: it's as if the foreign gov't did it and handed over the data to the US.
In short, it all comes down to legal agreements between gov'ts.
That would be the entire point of 'five eyes'; if one of the participating countries can't spy on its own citizens it can turn a blind eye to spying on those citizens by other participants in 'five eyes' and in return be given access to information thus obtained.
If you were in, say, Canada you can assume that the Australians, Brits, New Zealanders and USAians are spying the FUCK out of you and handing that data over to the Canadian authorities.
Eyewitnesses testimony is not nearly as accurate as one would have hoped.
Theres a lot of creativity involved in memory.