Hello - just wanted to let you know your post is the one of the very few that made good sense in this thread. Wish I had a point to mod you up with...
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As long as we're discussing alternatives...
Check out MSDE, Microsoft's free version of SQL Server 2000. The server is limited to 5 simultaneous data connections (any more and the connections are throttled WAY down), but other than that, you get all the goodies. It's intended for development and for small scale applications. You can even install all the free client tools for SQL Server 2000 and they work seamlessly. Not enterprise level, but definitely a worthy competitor to MySQL.
Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I appreciate the way you put forth the (relevent) facts as facts and your opinion as opinion (many Slashdotters seem to be a little fuzzy on the distinction...) BTW, IIRC the fetus' heart starts beating at week 3, so "first couple of weeks" might be more accurate than "first several weeks".
For me, there seems to be more we don't know than what we do know about the process of going from a fertilized egg to sentient human life. There is a lot we do know (plus we have a buttload of opinions), but so much remains a mystery. I am not quite convinced we're reached level of understanding and common agreeement where we can say X number of days always equals 'no human being here', which is what a bill like this requires.
Okay, so when is that magical point when you "_become_" a person? You too were once an embryo, no?
Your argument differentiates between an embryo and a "human being", stating that one cannot be the other. Therefore, logic dictates at some DISCRETE point(s) in time there was a change in state. I am genuinely curious as to your response, and to whatever evidence you may produce to support your claim.
Not just sysadmins - People like me are part of the problem you describe: hobbyists! We aren't sysadmins that get paid for keeping corporate boxen safe - we're dads who set up webservers at home to post pictures of our kids, we're college kids who set up a web/CS server in the dorm, we're the accounting guy at the small business who gets picked to set up a small static html site using Frontpage at home.
To people like me, it's a royal pain to keep up with all the patches to apache/php/openssh/openssl/sendmail/blahblahblah. I subscribe to bugtraq, but have you ever come back from a week vacation only to find 200 messages from that stupid list clogging the inbox? I've heard of stuff like apt-get, but I readily admit that I am too unmotivated enough to blow several days of free time to learn it and get it working on my web server.
One of the beautys of modern Linux packages is that it's pretty cheap and easy to get a server going without much experience. The downside is that you end up with lots of "sysadmins" like ourselves, who check their logs maybe once in a good month (okay, I admit I don't even know what to look for in the logs anyway).
Be afraid, we are legion.
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Hello - just wanted to let you know your post is the one of the very few that made good sense in this thread. Wish I had a point to mod you up with...
As long as we're discussing alternatives...
Check out MSDE, Microsoft's free version of SQL Server 2000. The server is limited to 5 simultaneous data connections (any more and the connections are throttled WAY down), but other than that, you get all the goodies. It's intended for development and for small scale applications. You can even install all the free client tools for SQL Server 2000 and they work seamlessly. Not enterprise level, but definitely a worthy competitor to MySQL.
Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I appreciate the way you put forth the (relevent) facts as facts and your opinion as opinion (many Slashdotters seem to be a little fuzzy on the distinction...) BTW, IIRC the fetus' heart starts beating at week 3, so "first couple of weeks" might be more accurate than "first several weeks".
For me, there seems to be more we don't know than what we do know about the process of going from a fertilized egg to sentient human life. There is a lot we do know (plus we have a buttload of opinions), but so much remains a mystery. I am not quite convinced we're reached level of understanding and common agreeement where we can say X number of days always equals 'no human being here', which is what a bill like this requires.
Okay, so when is that magical point when you "_become_" a person? You too were once an embryo, no?
Your argument differentiates between an embryo and a "human being", stating that one cannot be the other. Therefore, logic dictates at some DISCRETE point(s) in time there was a change in state. I am genuinely curious as to your response, and to whatever evidence you may produce to support your claim.
Not just sysadmins - People like me are part of the problem you describe: hobbyists! We aren't sysadmins that get paid for keeping corporate boxen safe - we're dads who set up webservers at home to post pictures of our kids, we're college kids who set up a web/CS server in the dorm, we're the accounting guy at the small business who gets picked to set up a small static html site using Frontpage at home. To people like me, it's a royal pain to keep up with all the patches to apache/php/openssh/openssl/sendmail/blahblahblah. I subscribe to bugtraq, but have you ever come back from a week vacation only to find 200 messages from that stupid list clogging the inbox? I've heard of stuff like apt-get, but I readily admit that I am too unmotivated enough to blow several days of free time to learn it and get it working on my web server. One of the beautys of modern Linux packages is that it's pretty cheap and easy to get a server going without much experience. The downside is that you end up with lots of "sysadmins" like ourselves, who check their logs maybe once in a good month (okay, I admit I don't even know what to look for in the logs anyway). Be afraid, we are legion.