I don't disagree, but if you acquired a big time debt going to college (which I did also, and PAID IT OFF MYSELF), *and* your parents are wealthy enough to pay it off with the change under the bonluxat sofa cushions, you defeat the purpose of occupying a park near wall street and crapping on cop cars by admitting that actually, you're a rich spoiled brat. [1]
[1] I mean the literary "you", not, you know, you.
There's been some stupid "99% stories" out there that I think are not helping their case. "I owe $70K in tuition fees to a high end college. My parents are ultra liberals with six figure salaries apiece. I'm in the 99% boo hoo." Well, I guess that (being not in the 1%) is probably true from a strictly technical standpoint, but I have a hard time FEELING SORRY FOR YOU. Or thinking that in any way you are entitled to money you did not earn. Or, at very least, before you get your tuition paid off for free at your froo froo school, I should be able to afford that cleaning service for my house.
> But the modern Republican party and the Tea Party (who are basically the Totalitarian Christian Theocracy party these days) scare the fucking shit out of me. HOW DO YOU PEOPLE EVEN CONSIDER VOTING FOR THEM!?
(1) because it's not Obama, and (2) because it pisses you off.
> it has a Facebook app that is scooping up all kinds of juicy facts about his supporters and inside the Obama operation, his staff members are using a powerful social networking tool called NationalField, which enables everyone to share what they are working on.
Does anyone else find this a little creepy?
In any case, I think the team may be making an assumption that will skew the numbers. They're not really measuring Obama supporters, they're measuring Obama supporters who are stupid enough to enter the security scorpion pit that is Facebook apps. This has to be a smaller, less technically minded subset of Obama's actual supporters.
Realistically, if your primary goal is keeping enemy forces from pwning your fire control system, I can't see how your best bet could ever be Windows. That would be like buying the locks for a high security installation at the local supermarket.
Thanks. What I was going on is that one of the first posters said essentially the same thing (but in a more rude fashion) and did get modded troll. I thought the point was good even though the delivery was not, and decided to try the same point coaching my words more carefully than he did.
I just now flashed back to the part in The Hurt Locker where bored GIs are buying movies on DVD from locals. One theme of the movie was that you have no way of knowing, in a civilian population, who your enemies are. Perfect attack vector.
Right, that does happen, but anyone with an ounce of foresight could predict that the potential damage caused by just one Hellfire-equipped Predator taken over by a hostile force would probably outweigh the cost overrun of a software project. Especially at today's prices.
Ok, that's funny, but we're still talking religion.
Why does it have to be a commercial OS at all? It's been many years since I was in the war toys business, but we'd never consider using an over-the-counter OS for command and control. That just seems amazing to me. If an outsider can take over one drone, there's no theoretical reason why they couldn't take over a substantial number of them. Our own forces could then be in for a brief, nasty shock. Realistically, there's got to be people on the other side of every conflict we're involved in, that are frantically working on doing just that.
And our side is controlling our airborne weapons using the most pwned OS in the world.
Yes, I did exactly that when I was making war toys in the eighties. I wrote a collection of routines and a minimal OS that I could reuse in several military projects by writing different routines for it. Systems are more complicated now, but not a lot more.
Let's get past the pro/anti Windows bias just for a moment. Clear your mind, see operating systems just as operating systems and not religion.
Now, if most (certainly not all, but most) computer virii were written for a particular OS, why would you use that OS in a secure surveillance or weapons application? Why would you not specify an OS that did the job, but had far fewer (or no) viruses already out in the wild? Wouldn't that go further towards avoiding infection than procedures regarding removable drives and other media that will inevitably be circumvented?
Moreover, if said OS happened not to have support for modern codecs, wouldn't that make it less likely that operators would try to view porn, ur, contraband, um, unauthorized materials on same?
I understand that Disney *tries* to make that happen, and it is partly successful. Nevertheless, if you look you can find Disney movies on the marked-down rack in larger supermarkets, and you can find them used and/or discounted at local used-cd stores and online. For instance, the 2 disc anniversary edition blu-ray of Dumbo is currently selling on Amazon for $17.
People people people why all the hate... enh, I'm sorry I can't say that with a straight face.
Ok so seriously, I understand what all of you are saying. So let's say Ellison says to his stockholders "We got hit with a $200M fine from the government for immoral practices, congress with kittens, and generally being a dick. I personally know I'm a dick, the government caught me red handed massaging my neck to orgasm, and so being as we are demonstrably guilty, I think this fine should come directly out of the company earnings, instead of our usual practice of considering fines to be overhead and raising prices to compensate."
He'd be out of power before he completed the sentence.
> You signed a contract with a corporation that shamelessly conducts illegal and immoral business practices.
You're absolutely right. Shame on me. Instead I will do business with a corporation that does *not* shamelessly conduct illegal and immoral business practices,... um... it'll come to me... Hmm... Um,... uh... ok I got nuthin'.
You understand, right? I don't like Oracle any more than any of the other responders to this thread, but I fail to see how this penalty hurts Oracle. Wouldn't they just consider it part of overhead, and pass the cost to customers? Wouldn't they be fools not to?
I didn't know that, and I will try it. (Seriously.)
One possible problem is that the "nominal shipping and handling fee" is often substantially less than the list price of the product (else what's the point?) but is less of a deal when compared to the street price. Over time, as the dropping street price approaches the fee, the offer becomes moot.
So, why not just buy another copy off the discount rack? Well, I could do that, but the main reason is because I've already bought the damned title once. You see the temptation to download it? I've got the original, unplayable disc right over there in it's box.
This reminds me of the time I bought a rather expensive (at the time) computer peripheral that, it turns out, did not and could never have a working driver for the current (at the time) version of Windows due to a design error. I and many others complained bitterly about this in forums. I was contacted by the manufacturer (good for them, really) and was offered a substantial discount off the list price of the later, corrected version of the product.
The problem is, the street price of the new product had *already* dropped to within 5% of the discounted amount. So they were essentially offering to make amends for buying a $300 peripheral I could not use, by offering me another $300 peripheral discounted clear the hell down to the asking price at the local Egghead. Gee..... thanks.
A few months later the company went bankrupt. That was a nice bonus, but I was still out the money.
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I don't disagree, but if you acquired a big time debt going to college (which I did also, and PAID IT OFF MYSELF), *and* your parents are wealthy enough to pay it off with the change under the bonluxat sofa cushions, you defeat the purpose of occupying a park near wall street and crapping on cop cars by admitting that actually, you're a rich spoiled brat. [1]
[1] I mean the literary "you", not, you know, you.
You did catch the word "some", in the previous sentence? Or did your blood pressure shoot up so fast it caused retrograde amnesia?
That's brilliant!
There's been some stupid "99% stories" out there that I think are not helping their case. "I owe $70K in tuition fees to a high end college. My parents are ultra liberals with six figure salaries apiece. I'm in the 99% boo hoo." Well, I guess that (being not in the 1%) is probably true from a strictly technical standpoint, but I have a hard time FEELING SORRY FOR YOU. Or thinking that in any way you are entitled to money you did not earn. Or, at very least, before you get your tuition paid off for free at your froo froo school, I should be able to afford that cleaning service for my house.
The best answer I've heard so far was in the tag "lethimfixit". But besides that, realistically, tutoring or homeschooling is his only hope.
> But the modern Republican party and the Tea Party (who are basically the Totalitarian Christian Theocracy party these days) scare the fucking shit out of me. HOW DO YOU PEOPLE EVEN CONSIDER VOTING FOR THEM!?
(1) because it's not Obama, and (2) because it pisses you off.
> it has a Facebook app that is scooping up all kinds of juicy facts about his supporters and inside the Obama operation, his staff members are using a powerful social networking tool called NationalField, which enables everyone to share what they are working on.
Does anyone else find this a little creepy?
In any case, I think the team may be making an assumption that will skew the numbers. They're not really measuring Obama supporters, they're measuring Obama supporters who are stupid enough to enter the security scorpion pit that is Facebook apps. This has to be a smaller, less technically minded subset of Obama's actual supporters.
Doesn't it?
Want to revitalize Java on the desktop? Open source it and leave it the hell alone. Who wants to get sued by Oracle?
Realistically, if your primary goal is keeping enemy forces from pwning your fire control system, I can't see how your best bet could ever be Windows. That would be like buying the locks for a high security installation at the local supermarket.
I think he meant, the movies produced by Disney, not the original stories...
Thanks. What I was going on is that one of the first posters said essentially the same thing (but in a more rude fashion) and did get modded troll. I thought the point was good even though the delivery was not, and decided to try the same point coaching my words more carefully than he did.
I just now flashed back to the part in The Hurt Locker where bored GIs are buying movies on DVD from locals. One theme of the movie was that you have no way of knowing, in a civilian population, who your enemies are. Perfect attack vector.
Right, that does happen, but anyone with an ounce of foresight could predict that the potential damage caused by just one Hellfire-equipped Predator taken over by a hostile force would probably outweigh the cost overrun of a software project. Especially at today's prices.
Ok, that's funny, but we're still talking religion.
Why does it have to be a commercial OS at all? It's been many years since I was in the war toys business, but we'd never consider using an over-the-counter OS for command and control. That just seems amazing to me. If an outsider can take over one drone, there's no theoretical reason why they couldn't take over a substantial number of them. Our own forces could then be in for a brief, nasty shock. Realistically, there's got to be people on the other side of every conflict we're involved in, that are frantically working on doing just that.
And our side is controlling our airborne weapons using the most pwned OS in the world.
And nobody sees anything wrong with this??
Yes, I did exactly that when I was making war toys in the eighties. I wrote a collection of routines and a minimal OS that I could reuse in several military projects by writing different routines for it. Systems are more complicated now, but not a lot more.
Let's get past the pro/anti Windows bias just for a moment. Clear your mind, see operating systems just as operating systems and not religion.
Now, if most (certainly not all, but most) computer virii were written for a particular OS, why would you use that OS in a secure surveillance or weapons application? Why would you not specify an OS that did the job, but had far fewer (or no) viruses already out in the wild? Wouldn't that go further towards avoiding infection than procedures regarding removable drives and other media that will inevitably be circumvented?
Moreover, if said OS happened not to have support for modern codecs, wouldn't that make it less likely that operators would try to view porn, ur, contraband, um, unauthorized materials on same?
Areed. We did the things you describe back in the eighties. (Although back then "removable" meant the drive was on a sturdy cart with wheels.)
I understand that Disney *tries* to make that happen, and it is partly successful. Nevertheless, if you look you can find Disney movies on the marked-down rack in larger supermarkets, and you can find them used and/or discounted at local used-cd stores and online. For instance, the 2 disc anniversary edition blu-ray of Dumbo is currently selling on Amazon for $17.
ACTING???
Ok, that's the best answer so far. I especially liked fscking. We called it that too.
You don't really know how business works, do you?
People people people why all the hate... enh, I'm sorry I can't say that with a straight face.
Ok so seriously, I understand what all of you are saying. So let's say Ellison says to his stockholders "We got hit with a $200M fine from the government for immoral practices, congress with kittens, and generally being a dick. I personally know I'm a dick, the government caught me red handed massaging my neck to orgasm, and so being as we are demonstrably guilty, I think this fine should come directly out of the company earnings, instead of our usual practice of considering fines to be overhead and raising prices to compensate."
He'd be out of power before he completed the sentence.
> You signed a contract with a corporation that shamelessly conducts illegal and immoral business practices.
You're absolutely right. Shame on me. Instead I will do business with a corporation that does *not* shamelessly conduct illegal and immoral business practices, ... um... it'll come to me... Hmm... Um,... uh... ok I got nuthin'.
You understand, right? I don't like Oracle any more than any of the other responders to this thread, but I fail to see how this penalty hurts Oracle. Wouldn't they just consider it part of overhead, and pass the cost to customers? Wouldn't they be fools not to?
I didn't know that, and I will try it. (Seriously.)
One possible problem is that the "nominal shipping and handling fee" is often substantially less than the list price of the product (else what's the point?) but is less of a deal when compared to the street price. Over time, as the dropping street price approaches the fee, the offer becomes moot.
So, why not just buy another copy off the discount rack? Well, I could do that, but the main reason is because I've already bought the damned title once. You see the temptation to download it? I've got the original, unplayable disc right over there in it's box.
This reminds me of the time I bought a rather expensive (at the time) computer peripheral that, it turns out, did not and could never have a working driver for the current (at the time) version of Windows due to a design error. I and many others complained bitterly about this in forums. I was contacted by the manufacturer (good for them, really) and was offered a substantial discount off the list price of the later, corrected version of the product.
The problem is, the street price of the new product had *already* dropped to within 5% of the discounted amount. So they were essentially offering to make amends for buying a $300 peripheral I could not use, by offering me another $300 peripheral discounted clear the hell down to the asking price at the local Egghead. Gee..... thanks.
A few months later the company went bankrupt. That was a nice bonus, but I was still out the money.
If that were a movie, Simon Pegg and Nick Frost would be in it.