Simple: My fast forward button is something *I* do. Having a guy go around with a copy of Saving Private Ryan offering to fast forward the places I might not want to see and charging $10 to do so without the consent of Spielberg is someone profiting from his works. Just like selling T-Shirts to bands and movies you're not affiliated with is copyright and/or trademark infringment. This is video piracy.
You can't go selling/renting others peoples stuff and expect them not to get pissed about it.
"Is it wrong for people to do what they want with their PROPERTY for their own private use? NO."
The problem with the Clean Flicks case is not that they're editing the movies to sit at home and watch them (fair use), it's that they're editing someone elses work, and then making PROFIT from it. They say they buy a copy of each movie they show, however if I buy a copy of blade 2 on DVD, and use my friends projector to show that to 40 of my closest friends charging $2 a head I'm 'stealing' from the movie company.
There is a bit of confusion with this post, this is not a fair use vs censorship issue. This is a matter of someone taking someone elses creation, doing what they will with it and then redistributing it for profit. Clean Flicks deseves to have the wrath of the movie industry (and thier lawyers) come down on them. It's the difference between ripping to mp3 all the tracks from a cd I own and playing them at home, and ripping 10 songs from 10 cds, putting them on one disc and selling it as a mix cd. Yes I have bought the cd's. Yes, ripping them for MY use is fair use. But when I start *making money from it* I have exceeded the bounds of fair use.
This is not a case of people wanting it both ways. The movie companies saying I can't rip my DVDs to VCD for a backup is screwing me. The Clean Flick people making profit from someone elses efforts, without their consent or permission (which is what happens with TV edits and 'Blockbuster' versions of movies), is screwing the creators. They're related, but not a matter of 'one or the other'.
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Simple: My fast forward button is something *I* do. Having a guy go around with a copy of Saving Private Ryan offering to fast forward the places I might not want to see and charging $10 to do so without the consent of Spielberg is someone profiting from his works. Just like selling T-Shirts to bands and movies you're not affiliated with is copyright and/or trademark infringment. This is video piracy. You can't go selling/renting others peoples stuff and expect them not to get pissed about it.
"Is it wrong for people to do what they want with their PROPERTY for their own private use? NO."
The problem with the Clean Flicks case is not that they're editing the movies to sit at home and watch them (fair use), it's that they're editing someone elses work, and then making PROFIT from it. They say they buy a copy of each movie they show, however if I buy a copy of blade 2 on DVD, and use my friends projector to show that to 40 of my closest friends charging $2 a head I'm 'stealing' from the movie company.
There is a bit of confusion with this post, this is not a fair use vs censorship issue. This is a matter of someone taking someone elses creation, doing what they will with it and then redistributing it for profit. Clean Flicks deseves to have the wrath of the movie industry (and thier lawyers) come down on them. It's the difference between ripping to mp3 all the tracks from a cd I own and playing them at home, and ripping 10 songs from 10 cds, putting them on one disc and selling it as a mix cd. Yes I have bought the cd's. Yes, ripping them for MY use is fair use. But when I start *making money from it* I have exceeded the bounds of fair use.
This is not a case of people wanting it both ways. The movie companies saying I can't rip my DVDs to VCD for a backup is screwing me. The Clean Flick people making profit from someone elses efforts, without their consent or permission (which is what happens with TV edits and 'Blockbuster' versions of movies), is screwing the creators. They're related, but not a matter of 'one or the other'.