Assuming that our telecoms stay fubared and we don't make the jump to streaming video on demand as quickly as we could, BluRay will probably clean up, for the same reason that the PS3 will probably do well in the long run: They're both built on long term extensible tech (Well, the PS3 will do well because Sony will eventually stop making PS2's and people will upgrade so they can keep playing their old games...yay backward compatibility).
HDDVD is just fancy encoding on last generation hardware...BluRay has a lot more space on those disks, and if the disk manufacturers step up and take advantage of that space (eg more than one movie per disk or crazy special features, or some such), then there will be a pretty clear case for picking one format over the other.
"Sony lithium batteries smoke the competition!" "Sony is on fire with these new batteries!" "Put a Sony battery in your laptop and witness an explosion of power!" "Sony lithium: Taste the Apocalypse!" "Sony lithium batteries: Your laptop will never be the same!" "Sony batteries keep burning long after the competition has gone out."
Oh please. Want to find someone who profits from terrorism? It's not hard. Cable news companies make a mint, a number of duct tape manufacturers get a nice spike in sales, lot of people go out and buy guns and bibles.
And piracy? Why don't they go after the lawyers and politicians who are making money hand over fist?
If you follow the standards your site will look good on most browsers, including IE.
On the other hand, if you jump on all the IE specific functionality you have a few issues. Will it work on old versions of ie? Will it work if people have their active X controls set to "high security"? Will IE break your sites functionality in a security upgrade?
Either way, you're writing off Mac's and all cellphones and pdas, you're writing off a lot of/.ers, and pretty much everyone who has a non-ie browser.
Now, I think Walmart gives as much of a shit about me as I do about them (if I were bleeding to death I'd drive 10 more miles to get some bandages rather than go to Walmart), so no loss for either one of us. But your company isn't Walmart, whose main customer base isn't remotely online.
I have a windows box I use for games and word processing. It gets no email, I never browse the web on it, all document transfers are one way (outgoing). Firewall rules block all incoming packets that aren't established.
I run an antivirus scan every night, and a spyware scan every saturday morning at 5am. I back it up my important files off of it every two weeks, using an automated file copy, and a secondary machine with a raid. Why? Because it's the right damn thing to do. Anything else and you're tempting fate, you're just assuming that nothing bad will ever happen, and that you're in control of every variable.
Oh sure, isolated from the outside world...With full encryption everywhere, double redundant systems security, high security physical access control, the works.
In that sort of environment, they might actually use telnet, because it'd be running through multiple levels of hardware encryption, and thus somewhat secure.
What does this have to do with a hobby system set up by a guy who is so lazy he won't bother setting up the most basic encryption because he can't see any need?
1) Putty is free, stable, and easy to use. 2) service telnetd stop;service sshd start 3) Hitting "Y" one time is too much bother for you? 4) Non-issue on all but the slowest hardware. 5) I don't see how that is a benefit...
Frankly, if you know a lot of people that have no net connections and tiny little hardwired lans, then no, you probably don't have a damn thing worth protecting, so I'll shut my mouth.
But my system logs can run a quarter gig a week in size on my damn home firewall box because of the sheer quantity of brute force password attacks I get from fricking China and Korea and (for some reason) South Florida, and all that with my machine not responding to ping, so your situation isn't what I'd call typical.
Nope. If you want to get the mini with the better graphics card, you have to buy the grape or lime mini rather than the vanilla one.
That's always been a personal beef of mine with Apple as well. I like being able to upgrade obsolete components, especially graphics cards. Apple is not at all friendly toward that, because it directly affects their reputation for stability: if you can't control the components, you can't promise stability.
Sure, but I covered that. Better to protect against both internal AND external threats, and not to ignore one in favor other the other. If you don't trust your employees, you don't prohibit them from using security! That's insane. Install cameras and keyloggers if you're that paranoid.
Yea, because SSH is just a massive resource hog...It's amazing that any machine can run it at all.
And I want you to think for a minute about how many networks you know about where it's just two machines connected to each other with no connection at all to the outside world? Well, you are big on telnet, so maybe you're living in the world of 20 years ago, but in modern times that does not happen, and unless you have nothing you care about at all on your home network you're taking a stupid risk in using a unsecured communications protocol when you have a better one readily available, and almost certainly installed on your machine already!
The thing is, there is always a chance of someone showing up, and you're a fool if you won't take a simple precaution that would cost nothing, just because you think you're perfectly safe.
You are so wrong. The difference is, on the one hand, taking a risk for zero gain on an obsolescent standard, and on the other hand, using the application that is pretty much the standard for this type of communication! You keep acting like there is some kind of mystical benefit to using telnet, and there's just not. What are you guys using 2800 baud modems? What's the worst case with SSH? The encryption can be compromised...making it the same as fricking telnet!
That's like saying, "If you have a million dollars in the bank it should be stored in a safe, but if you have ten thousand dollars in your house, it's okay to put it in your sock drawer." Just because the stakes are lower at home doesn't mean you can't have serious issues.
Security best practices are the same whether you're talking about securing your home network or a military network, and while encrypting your hard drive may be over kill on a home network, disabling extra network services and using the more secure of two protocols is only common sense.
Worst of all, you're building work habits that revolve around insecure protocols. When you telnet to a machine, you're sending your login information over an unencrypted connection, and this should never happen. It's just foolish.
Sounds like they're more interested in watching their own employees than in securing their systems from external threats.
If it were me I'd just log everything in every session (which is easy), and make the users use SSH. That way you can audit everything they do, every command they type, but still have a level of security. You have to remember that any user can sniff telnet traffic on the network, so forcing everyone to use telnet because you don't trust them means the ones who are untrustworthy have a better chance of stealing something useful from a coworker.
Even better would be to hire trustworthy people and treat them as such in the absence of evidence to the contrary.
Sure, but that's not what's being discussed. There is a world of difference between using telnet to fake some other non-encrypted protocol, and leaving the telnet service enabled on your machine.
Well, the encryption will still add a level of overhead to your packet traffic, so the whole thing will be "slower" but, from experience, you can play Zangband in either one and you'll still have to turn the key delay way up to keep it from getting you killed, and that's about the most bandwidth intensive application I've ever run in ssh that could have been run just as well in telnet.
Considering the salary and experience requirements to get any sort of decent Solaris administrator, telnet being left open on any sort of non-legacy hardware can only be excused because of some ridiculous legacy application needs.
Telnet is dumb! Quicker than SSH? What the hell? Are you streaming video over your SSH connection or what? Most sane people just use it for a remote console, and speed isn't much of an issue in those circumstances...
Opening/enabling telnet is a mistake. Even if you're using it safely, which, in my mind, is across a hub that isn't connected to anything else but the two computers you're talking to you've still got that port open and vulnerable. Using it on a LAN is just begging someone with a packet sniffer to come along and steal your user info.
Just because it's not deployed in many places, doesn't mean that those places aren't cracker dream targets...I've got 5 Solaris machines, and the least critical of them is a far better target than the most critical Windows, or even Linux box.
Still, first poster is right. Wtf uses telnet anymore, unless they're dealing with the most legacy of legacy crap.
Well A) Your energy needs are not nearly as ridiculous as ours, and B) you have a lot more water than we do.
Regardless, you're wrong. All non-tidal hydropower causes serious problems with watersheds, and all of it causes problems with silt over time...We didn't think it did either, at first, but years down the line the problems become pretty significant. It only makes sense...In a river system, part of the energy of that river is used keeping the river nice and deep, fast moving, etc. The power that you pull out of that system and turn to electricity slows down the flow, and reduces the waters ability to move all the suspended particulate matter, which settles out, making the river more shallow and less energetic, reducing the efficiency of your hydropower and (incidentally) causing the river to become more flood-prone.
Agreed. I think waterskiing behind a hydrogen powered boat would be just as sexy as waterskiing behind a big gas sucker.
Frankly, at least in the US, we've been getting off way too easy on gas taxes for way too long, and it's gotten to be a pretty serious issue. So tax the hell out of gas, use the money to pay off some of our goddamn national debt, and let the market sort out the new dominant fuel.
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Assuming that our telecoms stay fubared and we don't make the jump to streaming video on demand as quickly as we could, BluRay will probably clean up, for the same reason that the PS3 will probably do well in the long run: They're both built on long term extensible tech (Well, the PS3 will do well because Sony will eventually stop making PS2's and people will upgrade so they can keep playing their old games...yay backward compatibility).
HDDVD is just fancy encoding on last generation hardware...BluRay has a lot more space on those disks, and if the disk manufacturers step up and take advantage of that space (eg more than one movie per disk or crazy special features, or some such), then there will be a pretty clear case for picking one format over the other.
Why not?
"Sony lithium batteries smoke the competition!"
"Sony is on fire with these new batteries!"
"Put a Sony battery in your laptop and witness an explosion of power!"
"Sony lithium: Taste the Apocalypse!"
"Sony lithium batteries: Your laptop will never be the same!"
"Sony batteries keep burning long after the competition has gone out."
The marketing material just writes itself.
Oh please. Want to find someone who profits from terrorism? It's not hard. Cable news companies make a mint, a number of duct tape manufacturers get a nice spike in sales, lot of people go out and buy guns and bibles.
And piracy? Why don't they go after the lawyers and politicians who are making money hand over fist?
A private network with encryption? Nothing.
If you follow the standards your site will look good on most browsers, including IE.
/.ers, and pretty much everyone who has a non-ie browser.
On the other hand, if you jump on all the IE specific functionality you have a few issues. Will it work on old versions of ie? Will it work if people have their active X controls set to "high security"? Will IE break your sites functionality in a security upgrade?
Either way, you're writing off Mac's and all cellphones and pdas, you're writing off a lot of
Now, I think Walmart gives as much of a shit about me as I do about them (if I were bleeding to death I'd drive 10 more miles to get some bandages rather than go to Walmart), so no loss for either one of us. But your company isn't Walmart, whose main customer base isn't remotely online.
If it were me, I'd stick with standards.
EX-FRICKING-ACTLY.
I have a windows box I use for games and word processing. It gets no email, I never browse the web on it, all document transfers are one way (outgoing). Firewall rules block all incoming packets that aren't established.
I run an antivirus scan every night, and a spyware scan every saturday morning at 5am. I back it up my important files off of it every two weeks, using an automated file copy, and a secondary machine with a raid. Why? Because it's the right damn thing to do. Anything else and you're tempting fate, you're just assuming that nothing bad will ever happen, and that you're in control of every variable.
Oh sure, isolated from the outside world...With full encryption everywhere, double redundant systems security, high security physical access control, the works.
In that sort of environment, they might actually use telnet, because it'd be running through multiple levels of hardware encryption, and thus somewhat secure.
What does this have to do with a hobby system set up by a guy who is so lazy he won't bother setting up the most basic encryption because he can't see any need?
1) Putty is free, stable, and easy to use.
2) service telnetd stop;service sshd start
3) Hitting "Y" one time is too much bother for you?
4) Non-issue on all but the slowest hardware.
5) I don't see how that is a benefit...
Frankly, if you know a lot of people that have no net connections and tiny little hardwired lans, then no, you probably don't have a damn thing worth protecting, so I'll shut my mouth.
But my system logs can run a quarter gig a week in size on my damn home firewall box because of the sheer quantity of brute force password attacks I get from fricking China and Korea and (for some reason) South Florida, and all that with my machine not responding to ping, so your situation isn't what I'd call typical.
Nope. If you want to get the mini with the better graphics card, you have to buy the grape or lime mini rather than the vanilla one.
That's always been a personal beef of mine with Apple as well. I like being able to upgrade obsolete components, especially graphics cards. Apple is not at all friendly toward that, because it directly affects their reputation for stability: if you can't control the components, you can't promise stability.
Sure, but I covered that. Better to protect against both internal AND external threats, and not to ignore one in favor other the other. If you don't trust your employees, you don't prohibit them from using security! That's insane. Install cameras and keyloggers if you're that paranoid.
Yea, because SSH is just a massive resource hog...It's amazing that any machine can run it at all.
And I want you to think for a minute about how many networks you know about where it's just two machines connected to each other with no connection at all to the outside world? Well, you are big on telnet, so maybe you're living in the world of 20 years ago, but in modern times that does not happen, and unless you have nothing you care about at all on your home network you're taking a stupid risk in using a unsecured communications protocol when you have a better one readily available, and almost certainly installed on your machine already!
The thing is, there is always a chance of someone showing up, and you're a fool if you won't take a simple precaution that would cost nothing, just because you think you're perfectly safe.
You are so wrong. The difference is, on the one hand, taking a risk for zero gain on an obsolescent standard, and on the other hand, using the application that is pretty much the standard for this type of communication! You keep acting like there is some kind of mystical benefit to using telnet, and there's just not. What are you guys using 2800 baud modems? What's the worst case with SSH? The encryption can be compromised...making it the same as fricking telnet!
Hmmmm. Decisions, decisions, decisions.
Jackass.
That's like saying, "If you have a million dollars in the bank it should be stored in a safe, but if you have ten thousand dollars in your house, it's okay to put it in your sock drawer." Just because the stakes are lower at home doesn't mean you can't have serious issues.
Security best practices are the same whether you're talking about securing your home network or a military network, and while encrypting your hard drive may be over kill on a home network, disabling extra network services and using the more secure of two protocols is only common sense.
Worst of all, you're building work habits that revolve around insecure protocols. When you telnet to a machine, you're sending your login information over an unencrypted connection, and this should never happen. It's just foolish.
Sounds like they're more interested in watching their own employees than in securing their systems from external threats.
If it were me I'd just log everything in every session (which is easy), and make the users use SSH. That way you can audit everything they do, every command they type, but still have a level of security. You have to remember that any user can sniff telnet traffic on the network, so forcing everyone to use telnet because you don't trust them means the ones who are untrustworthy have a better chance of stealing something useful from a coworker.
Even better would be to hire trustworthy people and treat them as such in the absence of evidence to the contrary.
Sure, but that's not what's being discussed. There is a world of difference between using telnet to fake some other non-encrypted protocol, and leaving the telnet service enabled on your machine.
Hehe. I am, on a daily basis, that's why I always include it as a disclaimer when I'm throwing down on some crap that people haven't done in 15 years.
Just to nitpick, nothing is secured by telnet. Just because the login is "safe" doesn't mean that using an unencrypted protocol is ever a good idea.
Well, the encryption will still add a level of overhead to your packet traffic, so the whole thing will be "slower" but, from experience, you can play Zangband in either one and you'll still have to turn the key delay way up to keep it from getting you killed, and that's about the most bandwidth intensive application I've ever run in ssh that could have been run just as well in telnet.
Considering the salary and experience requirements to get any sort of decent Solaris administrator, telnet being left open on any sort of non-legacy hardware can only be excused because of some ridiculous legacy application needs.
Telnet is dumb! Quicker than SSH? What the hell? Are you streaming video over your SSH connection or what? Most sane people just use it for a remote console, and speed isn't much of an issue in those circumstances...
Opening/enabling telnet is a mistake. Even if you're using it safely, which, in my mind, is across a hub that isn't connected to anything else but the two computers you're talking to you've still got that port open and vulnerable. Using it on a LAN is just begging someone with a packet sniffer to come along and steal your user info.
Just because it's not deployed in many places, doesn't mean that those places aren't cracker dream targets...I've got 5 Solaris machines, and the least critical of them is a far better target than the most critical Windows, or even Linux box.
Still, first poster is right. Wtf uses telnet anymore, unless they're dealing with the most legacy of legacy crap.
Well A) Your energy needs are not nearly as ridiculous as ours, and B) you have a lot more water than we do.
Regardless, you're wrong. All non-tidal hydropower causes serious problems with watersheds, and all of it causes problems with silt over time...We didn't think it did either, at first, but years down the line the problems become pretty significant. It only makes sense...In a river system, part of the energy of that river is used keeping the river nice and deep, fast moving, etc. The power that you pull out of that system and turn to electricity slows down the flow, and reduces the waters ability to move all the suspended particulate matter, which settles out, making the river more shallow and less energetic, reducing the efficiency of your hydropower and (incidentally) causing the river to become more flood-prone.
It's just physics.
It was a joke...Shiny Carbon = Diamond.
Agreed. I think waterskiing behind a hydrogen powered boat would be just as sexy as waterskiing behind a big gas sucker.
Frankly, at least in the US, we've been getting off way too easy on gas taxes for way too long, and it's gotten to be a pretty serious issue. So tax the hell out of gas, use the money to pay off some of our goddamn national debt, and let the market sort out the new dominant fuel.