Yes, but when law enforcement, esp the feds, throws around the 'terror' card, secret courts that rubberstamp warrants and due process suddenly not applying (esp to 'it-happened-on-the-internet' communications) become the norm. A citizen shooting a cop burns for a long time, illegal search notwithstanding. It shouldn't be this way, but that's how it is now.
The secret court issue is the big problem. They exist solely to issue warrants under conditions the 'normal' courts otherwise wouldn't. Many times, they also prevent the defendant from having a trial because the charges are classified. It's bullshit.
The due process involved in getting a valid warrant has been stripped of most of its teeth.. Cops can now get warrants over the phone in a matter of minutes. This should not be, but that's how it is now. As a result, a warrant is no longer a guarantee that law enforcement has done any legwork before hassling anyone. Effectively, we are now all guilty until proven innocent.
Yes, it 'could.' It won't be. There's already too much bureaucracy in life as it is, and here in the states, anyway, it's obvious officials are ready to let go of any pretense of liberty and grab as much control as technology will allow. Enough. It's my car. I drive it. Much simpler.
A taxi is not equipped to handle medical emergencies any more than a private car is. The difference is that the private car and the would-be driver is here, now, when the taxi isn't, just like the EMTs. That's the point being made by people here. When it needs to happen right-the-fuck-now, there is nothing like someone getting you to the ER ASAP.
So many people today have too much expectation for the system to come to their rescue when it's pretty obvious it can never be as reliable as someone nearby to help when the need is urgent. A driver with single minded determination to get to the ER as expediently, with a slightly lower safely margin, is a better deal than some automated half-assed AI riddled with limiters put in by control-freak bureaucrats.
There are too many what-ifs. IF the car is available, IF its programming values expediency over its normal maximum-safety imperatives, IF some state mandated shutdown or traffic reroute directive doesn't trigger... No thanks. The system is better the way it is now, with the good-samaritan driver as a fallback.
Also, why do you think these cars won't have a manual mode?
Kinda like 'cloud-enabled' software, 'offline' mode becomes a privilege that quickly becomes inaccessible to all but those on the highest rungs of the ladder. These cars will be remote controlled and tracked mercilessly. That coupled with the safety issues inherent in the crappy AI heuristics and limited sensor tech = No fucking thanks. That manual mode will be subject to crazy regulation to the point of uselessness. Might as well not have it at all.
If we can't even get something like siri to understand people when they have a cold, there's no way in hell AI is ready for intractable problems like free ranging vehicle navigation.
Interesting points, btw! If the police caught you doing that here, you would have a hard time talking yourself out. You are simply supposed to leave it to the proper authorities.
Maybe it's about time you did something about your socialist nanny state.
That's because in america at that time, we still had a culture where taking initiative and producing results were more important than following every rule at all times. The cops and ER vehicles can't be everywhere at once. 'trained', 'equipped' blah blah blah.. It's people like you who are so anti-risk and so dependent on authority to tell you what to do, it's amazing you even left your mother's basements.
You are the one with the higher-than-thou attitude. You're probably the kind who'd sit there and let someone bleed out rather than at least attempt a life saving tourniquet, and prevent anyone else from trying, because they weren't licensed from the state..
He did not cause 30000 deaths. It is most likely he caused none. Safety and convenience are not the only two factors governing a lifestyle worth living. You can have your totalitarian remote controlled, spy-ridden, 'flawless' cars. These things will be a nightmare for liberty if nothing else.
I misread your first sentence.. They haven't, but humans are still far better at contextual awareness than current AI and sensor technology is. Computers are faster, yes, but I'd rather have a human at the wheel that makes the right choice most of the time than a computer that is only semi aware all of the time. If you're concerned about drunk drivers, you should be concerned about these autonomous cars as well. AI and sensor technology just isn't there.
I'm not the one claiming they do. There've been a lot of articles over the last few years talking them up. Laws are already being passed in various states authorizing these things to run on public roads. Politicians are treating them as though they're ready. Considering the poor state of heuristics and computer-driven contextual awareness in other areas, there's no reason to expect any better from these cars. They are a threat to their riders and anyone else on the road.
Because that's a false equivalence. The uncertainties of animal intellect were masked by the relatively slow speed and sparse population of ridership. In fact, these cars are closer to having that uncertainty coupled with a body that can move at 70mph.
Well horses are a lot closer to these self driving cars than they are to dumb machines.. They have just enough intellect to drive up the unpredictability for the rider without offering enough of it to put the owner at lease enough to let go of the controls. I'll pass. I'd much rather ride a horse at 15mph than ride one of these cars at 70mph+.
Hmm.. well if you think about it, those who handle their own sticks are less likely to be accused of 'rape' by 'empowered' women, less likely to have child support liens against their paychecks and assets, and less likely to have credit spendthrift girlfriends/wives. These guys are much more profitable for insurance companies because they are more likely to pay their bills on time, don't take unnecessary risks to impress women, and are less likely to be in bad health due to post divorce misery.
This is not a lifestyle I want to live. I can't imagine a future population truly being happy with this either. No matter what the soccer mom associations running western society, today say, there's much more to life than safety and convenience, especially when it comes to control over mental state and physical location/transportation.
Except that a johnny cab done today would report your travel plans to the local police dept, insurance company, and any other institution that has a vested interest in judging your behavior. No thanks. I'd rather walk.
Yup. There are plenty of apologizers keeping that worry to themselves just to avoid the 'conspiracy nut' label, and/or who don't care about anything besides convenience (until someone else's form of it intrudes on their own lives, of course). These people project their own whims onto everyone else and become surprised/fearful/offended when the rest of us don't step it up. If there's a root dynamic to today's societal ills, this is it.
It's one thing to automate repetitive tasks and another to automate living life; the latter being what happens when the control of this automation is handed to governments/corporates. At that point it's slavery. Because of this, these technologies only become interesting to me when the leadership and cultures of so-called free nations are sufficiently mature to understand and handle the concept of freedom. Currently, they are not, and now we see how every new device with a computer inside has some kind of remote use-tracking featureset built into it, marketed as convenience of course.
It is highly unlikely they've worked all the flaws out of these cars. The problem is just too intractable for that. The last thing I want is to hurtle 70mph down a highway under the control of cheap chinese embedded computers programmed by the lowest bidders when the manufacturers still can't get their relatively simple electronic throttle controls working right.
well you could build them as modules and load them dynamically. However, on my router, I just enable all the netfilter related stuff and build it into the kernel. A lot easier.
Every firewall GUI for Linux is underdeveloped or abandoned and lacks complete control over all functions.
Different use cases need different features. The abandoned guis were made by people who didn't understand this when they began their projects. The development taught them that lesson.
No one should be forced to manually configure this, it should be point and click similar to free firewalls for Windows (excluding discussion on app based blocking in Win).
one-click solutions to complex problems are always bad. That said, simplistic solutions are simple to configure with iptables the way it is.
I hope someone develops a GUI for "NFTables", because manually configuring iptables (using ufw, or its lack of complete control/fine tuning gui or some other method) sucks. Some assume you know all about Linux networking.
Well, if you're designing a complex solution for a complex networking problem, you will need to know a bit more about the guts of a system regardless the platform. A gui flexible enough to represent every possible useful iptables configuration would be about as unintuitive as the command line util.
There should be a GUI for configuring Sysctl, too, with good documentation and tool tips.
the documentation for sysctl is in/usr/src/linux/Documentation/sysctl. Hardware specific ctls are in the documentation for the hardware's specific driver.
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So because it's the law we're no longer allowed to have a problem with it? Why are there idiots like you always cheering on the state?
Democrats vs republicans is irrelevant. Both are the problem.
Yes, but when law enforcement, esp the feds, throws around the 'terror' card, secret courts that rubberstamp warrants and due process suddenly not applying (esp to 'it-happened-on-the-internet' communications) become the norm. A citizen shooting a cop burns for a long time, illegal search notwithstanding. It shouldn't be this way, but that's how it is now.
The secret court issue is the big problem. They exist solely to issue warrants under conditions the 'normal' courts otherwise wouldn't. Many times, they also prevent the defendant from having a trial because the charges are classified. It's bullshit.
The due process involved in getting a valid warrant has been stripped of most of its teeth.. Cops can now get warrants over the phone in a matter of minutes. This should not be, but that's how it is now. As a result, a warrant is no longer a guarantee that law enforcement has done any legwork before hassling anyone. Effectively, we are now all guilty until proven innocent.
Yeah, but this won't happen.. Please tell me you're not that naive. Such cars will not be street legal.
Yes, it 'could.' It won't be. There's already too much bureaucracy in life as it is, and here in the states, anyway, it's obvious officials are ready to let go of any pretense of liberty and grab as much control as technology will allow. Enough. It's my car. I drive it. Much simpler.
A taxi is not equipped to handle medical emergencies any more than a private car is. The difference is that the private car and the would-be driver is here, now, when the taxi isn't, just like the EMTs. That's the point being made by people here. When it needs to happen right-the-fuck-now, there is nothing like someone getting you to the ER ASAP.
So many people today have too much expectation for the system to come to their rescue when it's pretty obvious it can never be as reliable as someone nearby to help when the need is urgent. A driver with single minded determination to get to the ER as expediently, with a slightly lower safely margin, is a better deal than some automated half-assed AI riddled with limiters put in by control-freak bureaucrats.
There are too many what-ifs. IF the car is available, IF its programming values expediency over its normal maximum-safety imperatives, IF some state mandated shutdown or traffic reroute directive doesn't trigger... No thanks. The system is better the way it is now, with the good-samaritan driver as a fallback.
Also, why do you think these cars won't have a manual mode?
Kinda like 'cloud-enabled' software, 'offline' mode becomes a privilege that quickly becomes inaccessible to all but those on the highest rungs of the ladder. These cars will be remote controlled and tracked mercilessly. That coupled with the safety issues inherent in the crappy AI heuristics and limited sensor tech = No fucking thanks. That manual mode will be subject to crazy regulation to the point of uselessness. Might as well not have it at all.
If we can't even get something like siri to understand people when they have a cold, there's no way in hell AI is ready for intractable problems like free ranging vehicle navigation.
Interesting points, btw! If the police caught you doing that here, you would have a hard time talking yourself out. You are simply supposed to leave it to the proper authorities.
Maybe it's about time you did something about your socialist nanny state.
That's because in america at that time, we still had a culture where taking initiative and producing results were more important than following every rule at all times. The cops and ER vehicles can't be everywhere at once. 'trained', 'equipped' blah blah blah.. It's people like you who are so anti-risk and so dependent on authority to tell you what to do, it's amazing you even left your mother's basements.
You are the one with the higher-than-thou attitude. You're probably the kind who'd sit there and let someone bleed out rather than at least attempt a life saving tourniquet, and prevent anyone else from trying, because they weren't licensed from the state..
He did not cause 30000 deaths. It is most likely he caused none. Safety and convenience are not the only two factors governing a lifestyle worth living. You can have your totalitarian remote controlled, spy-ridden, 'flawless' cars. These things will be a nightmare for liberty if nothing else.
I misread your first sentence.. They haven't, but humans are still far better at contextual awareness than current AI and sensor technology is. Computers are faster, yes, but I'd rather have a human at the wheel that makes the right choice most of the time than a computer that is only semi aware all of the time. If you're concerned about drunk drivers, you should be concerned about these autonomous cars as well. AI and sensor technology just isn't there.
I'm not the one claiming they do. There've been a lot of articles over the last few years talking them up. Laws are already being passed in various states authorizing these things to run on public roads. Politicians are treating them as though they're ready. Considering the poor state of heuristics and computer-driven contextual awareness in other areas, there's no reason to expect any better from these cars. They are a threat to their riders and anyone else on the road.
Because that's a false equivalence. The uncertainties of animal intellect were masked by the relatively slow speed and sparse population of ridership. In fact, these cars are closer to having that uncertainty coupled with a body that can move at 70mph.
Well horses are a lot closer to these self driving cars than they are to dumb machines.. They have just enough intellect to drive up the unpredictability for the rider without offering enough of it to put the owner at lease enough to let go of the controls. I'll pass. I'd much rather ride a horse at 15mph than ride one of these cars at 70mph+.
Hmm.. well if you think about it, those who handle their own sticks are less likely to be accused of 'rape' by 'empowered' women, less likely to have child support liens against their paychecks and assets, and less likely to have credit spendthrift girlfriends/wives. These guys are much more profitable for insurance companies because they are more likely to pay their bills on time, don't take unnecessary risks to impress women, and are less likely to be in bad health due to post divorce misery.
This is not a lifestyle I want to live. I can't imagine a future population truly being happy with this either. No matter what the soccer mom associations running western society, today say, there's much more to life than safety and convenience, especially when it comes to control over mental state and physical location/transportation.
false equivalence fallacy? no thank you.
Except that a johnny cab done today would report your travel plans to the local police dept, insurance company, and any other institution that has a vested interest in judging your behavior. No thanks. I'd rather walk.
Doesn't scale very well over long distances, though.
That's it. There will never be computer driven cars for the masses. It will always be cheaper for them to drive their own.
Not when the insurance companies artificially jack up the rates for human driven cars. They will force the majority into this, guaranteed.
Agreed. This dishonesty should set off alarm bells about their true intentions and priorities.
and more people sent to the gulag for 'terroristic travel patterns.' GO USA!
Yup. There are plenty of apologizers keeping that worry to themselves just to avoid the 'conspiracy nut' label, and/or who don't care about anything besides convenience (until someone else's form of it intrudes on their own lives, of course). These people project their own whims onto everyone else and become surprised/fearful/offended when the rest of us don't step it up. If there's a root dynamic to today's societal ills, this is it.
It's one thing to automate repetitive tasks and another to automate living life; the latter being what happens when the control of this automation is handed to governments/corporates. At that point it's slavery. Because of this, these technologies only become interesting to me when the leadership and cultures of so-called free nations are sufficiently mature to understand and handle the concept of freedom. Currently, they are not, and now we see how every new device with a computer inside has some kind of remote use-tracking featureset built into it, marketed as convenience of course.
It is highly unlikely they've worked all the flaws out of these cars. The problem is just too intractable for that. The last thing I want is to hurtle 70mph down a highway under the control of cheap chinese embedded computers programmed by the lowest bidders when the manufacturers still can't get their relatively simple electronic throttle controls working right.
well you could build them as modules and load them dynamically. However, on my router, I just enable all the netfilter related stuff and build it into the kernel. A lot easier.
Every firewall GUI for Linux is underdeveloped or abandoned and lacks complete control over all functions.
Different use cases need different features. The abandoned guis were made by people who didn't understand this when they began their projects. The development taught them that lesson.
No one should be forced to manually configure this, it should be point and click similar to free firewalls for Windows (excluding discussion on app based blocking in Win).
one-click solutions to complex problems are always bad. That said, simplistic solutions are simple to configure with iptables the way it is.
I hope someone develops a GUI for "NFTables", because manually configuring iptables (using ufw, or its lack of complete control/fine tuning gui or some other method) sucks. Some assume you know all about Linux networking.
Well, if you're designing a complex solution for a complex networking problem, you will need to know a bit more about the guts of a system regardless the platform. A gui flexible enough to represent every possible useful iptables configuration would be about as unintuitive as the command line util.
There should be a GUI for configuring Sysctl, too, with good documentation and tool tips.
the documentation for sysctl is in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/sysctl. Hardware specific ctls are in the documentation for the hardware's specific driver.
hm ok. I haven't looked at the code or anything, just the summary on netfilter.org. It'll be interesting to benchmark both and see..