"We will jusat ad another MVS partition install an dcompile it there will be ready in a couple of hours. Btw you dont have to worry the rest of the system will carry on interupted." --Ulrich
I had not read the article befor I posted, though I think IBM will not support Redhat Linux on the AS/400 or the RS/6000 line especally since there is no working port for the AS/400 hardware nor will linuxPPC run on all the RS/6000s. Besides the new AIX will run linux binaries just fine (like FreeBSD).
The S/390 however is another story since the linux port for it is quite usable and wont really run on bare metal but in a "partition" and thus will only use as much resources as the admin wants it to take and with the i/o prformance of a S/390 you get a very nice webserver.
Well it seems you are mistaking the RS/6000 series with IBM's S/390 which is a platform that allows many OS partitions via MVS on a single machine (kinda like VMWare just that it is trully at native speed). Besides Mainframe are usually used for databases and standard apps like SAP but could with one or two linux timeslots also be used for e-commerce (Intershop supports dirct acces to a SAP R/3 database) so everythinnk can run on a real HA system without getting in each others way. --Ulrich
I guess debian 3.x will have a 2.4 kernel so i guess woddy is probably going to be 3.0 - unless the kernel will still be pre-somthing in a year or so --Ulrich
Well I think AMD wants transmeta to get into the Sledgehammer ISA and thus make 64-bit viable from notebooks to servers which would be prety cool.
Besides TM does not have any fabs and if they can get together wth AMD they might get a coper process without paying the IBM premum (of course only if AMD is not to busy crankin out their own stuff)
Well it shure would be nice to own one of these babies. I would use it as an applicationserver for me andmy roommates (wont need to buy another machine in te next coule of years;-). But I want to know what they intend to do with teh money, will they donate it, or is this just a way to make space in the serverroom for new machines and make somemoney since I belife they will get more for it than it's worth just because it was used to create Quake.
I think the real problem is as sensible digital storage seems to be today it is the worst way to go. We already have problems reading 20 year old digital tapes because there are no drives left - a good exaple for this is that just recently the german inteligence agency was able to read the tapes from their east German counterpart because they used old IBM tape drives (well actually a east German rebuild) and their own lost fileformat, which had not even encrypteion, and it only took so long because they cold not find a tapedrive which could read the tapes because everybody who had one got rid of it years ago when it got obsolete - and I am sure there are many other cases where something the like happend. Another problem is that besides drivetechnology being lost (this will suerely also affect DVDs and CDs) filesistems standards will be forgoten and what are you going to as an archologist if you 30 years from now find a CD-ROM and after you managed to build a drive and recover the digital data on it if you can not find a way to tell where a new file starts without an efort just as great as the building of the drive itself and then you probably found a QUAKE CD and chances are good that you never find out what it is - just think that at that time people might have 1024 bit quantum computers so it is unlikely they even will think of the posibility of a computergame writen for a 32 bit computer - although it might tell them much about todays society! Or well think about text files. Who knows how long ASCII might last till it is forgoten? We only had it for a couple of decades and im sure nobody will know what it is in the 22nd century. The only way to keep data for a long time (I am thinking of a couple of millenia) is to store it as a hardcopy. This can happen kinda like the ancient stone tables - a friend of my parents is an archologist who managed to translate 2000 year old reports from the middle east. I think we should write our important data on corosion proof sheetmetal (with a laser for examaple and stor eit in several places around the world which are geologically stabel. There we can put down impotant fact about ouer society and the plans to build stuff needed to read ouer digital media if they have survived. Because we have no guarantee that there will be no breaks in human development in teh near futur which are as deep as the end of the roman empire.
well see the other repliese we have a very good FreeOpneGl already. If you see the need to do something new - we realy don't need another rendering GL- then go start a project to create a voxel based graphics library which as far as I know does not yet exist in a way comparabel to OpenGL. And by the way what GL are acceleratorboard optimised for? Well the answer is OpenGL and maybe Direct3D and what do you think will happen if we fork OpenGL - I'm sure you dont want that.
So lets hope that since they got lots of money from Intel they will not impose things like 3Dnow tax or kiss Intels ass in other ways but suceed in creating a big userbase and then start producing cool hardware again since the X86 PC should be killed as fast as possible and nobody should shead a single tear. And since the open source movement obviusly will have a hard time to creat its own hardwareplatform we should hope that companies that showd in the past that it is possible to create a decent "PC" (no that excuse for a computer which IBM invented and we still kinda use is not it) will beginn to to so again, because the real halt in inovation is in hardware - sure we got superfast 3D accelerators and GHz CPU but it's all interconected by a system bus that has only evolved bandwidthwise since the time of the 8086 and there is no OS that will ever make a PC as fast and stable (hardware) as a UltraSparc, MIPS or PA-RISC workstation and its sad that Be went the same way like NeXT by killing its beBOX to port its OS to a hardwareplatform which is IMHO completly unsuitable to do real work with. And if Apple can do it why not Be or SGI because I think word domination (TM) for Linux could be nice, all I really want is a computer that is capable of doing what we need in a sane way - balance I/O and CPU speed - on which we can run usefull software, wether it is opensource or just open in the way Sun saw it 15 years ago, and without having to pay for 50 % profit margins which sadly enough is expected today.
OK might be somewhat offtopic but I know some of you feel the same.
This is quite interesting since all this encryption, handshaking et al. crap is adding cost the hardware be it a TV set, in which case the additional cost would only be marginal, or some USB speakers, which would surely be a lot more expensive, since they are pretty cheap from the start. This is especially strange since, for example some graphics card and display manufacturers got all worked up when some flat panel working group (forgot which ) wanted to standardize a connector that would be 1$ instead of 0.5$ (like the old VGA) but which did not only transmit digital display signals but also worked as a analog RGB, USB and Firewire connector. And now the entertainment industry is obviously succeeding in getting manufacturers to add several DOLLARS worth of encryption hardware, which will not have any purpose in normal computer use (other than encrypting my comment on the way from graphics card to display:-), and they are actually helping them, like Intel. This I am sure this is only possible since some Studios and record labels are part of large consumer electronics or computer hardware manufacturers for example Sony or Philips.
This shows that there are quite some people working there who are well out of their minds and are unable to learn from errors made by them in the past. Here comes the DVD player to mind which at least here in Europe (I live in Germany) is quite often only sold when it is modified by the vendor to ignores county codes (I would love if the did the same with playstations), since many people are unwilling to wait half a year (or till hell frezes over) to get an American film after it is available in the USA. And imagine what the corporate world will tell hardware manufacturers if they tell them that it has just become 20,000$ more to get those new TFTs for the 5th floor because they need DVI decryption hardware. And if produktion is forked the stuff without decryption won't get any cheaper.
And on piracy this will definetly not change a thing since if you plan to make several million illegal copies of the latest hits you can afford the equipment to make a 1:1 copie of some DVD. Or in the case of music just play it on some HighEnd stereo and rerecord it which will be if done with care is good enough and almost unaudible but might mean that some people wil think that the Record company is trying to save on the mastering and will also hurt their rep while today you cant hear a difference;-). However it will be impossible for me to make some CD-Rs for my car cd changer and I am not the only one who will be pretty pissed of when this comes to pass. Assides from that the genie actually is already out of the botel and they can do what they want but they wont get me to stop using my CD-R drive or to delete my MP3s, which are mostly homemade anyways.
It would be by far be a lot more usefull if they thought of other ways of selling stuff. For example if I could buy a DVD for 5$ I would probably buy quite a lot and I would get a DVD player in the first place - YOU HEAR ME SONY. And since good blank VHS tapes are not much cheaper would never copie a DVD to tape, or anything like DVD-RAM since I think those are just as much as blanks. And I also know many people who buy CDs just because they heard it on someone elses MP3s at work or got it on a zip(tm) disk. This makes also a lot of sence especally since MP3 are IMHO still just a replacement for the old audio tapes because the quality just does not come close to a CD even at 256kbps and when played over a home stereo since the DAC on almost all sound cards is not even coming close to that in my cd player or for that matter any other decent cdplayer, but they are very nice if you want to be able to listen to music at work if you really dont listen too closely and wont realy notice and dont have to change CDs after 74min. Besides how many people realy use MP3 a lot it certainly is not my mom or dad because they think of their computers as really usefull typwriters which can even scan text and build databases of books and such (my parents both teach -my mom highschool and my dad college ) thing but they would never think of it as a VCR or stereo, you wouldn't belive how surprised my dad was when I showed him an MPEG movie because he would never thought that is possibl. And I think most people are like that and just because of those few people that actually use MP3s to hurt the music industrie (and probably not even intentionaly) it really is not worth the bother to encrypt signals on a bus or whatever other nonsense when they should really worry about some counterfeiting factorys in china.
These people should get this broomstick out of their ass and stop trying to interfere with the computer industry because it is apart from some marginal overlaping (digital recording studios) not their ballpark if it is even the same game and I really dont think anybody will want tell their boss to pay more mony for the serverconsole just because WB thinks somebody is going to use it to copy "the MATRIX" and the University of Tuebingen (Germany) is not going to buy new switchen since they just finished upgrading the whole network to 100MBit to the Desktop and there are quite some expensive ATM switches in between and the "tuenet" is a regular part of the Internet just that it is on one of its many ends. So this is doomed however it looks like they are dumb enough to try it anyways which is quite sad actually. Especally since this will probably backfire since it prevets that I email an MP3 to some friends telling them "this is really good I would buy the CD, too" (okay I might "lend" one of my private copys to realy close friends;-) which might actually help them sell more instead of less! I think copy protection might become a real issue when bandwidth is so that we can just mail a complete DVD to just about anybody on this rock, computers are noisless and all sound cards deliver HiEnd quality signals to my stereo.
In the light of this it becomes obvius how the interest of some devisions in the megacorps hurt others like Sonymusic will sell more cds but Sony CD-R drives are not sold or even worse because of countrycodes Sony cant sell neither DVD players nor DVD movies or AOL Germany (Bertelsmann owns a large chunk of it although i guess this will change after the Time Warner AOL deal) has less users because BMG (Bertelsmann Music Group) or now Warner Music wants them to filter MP3s out of their traffic strange huh? I would just think we see the forming of the corporate big brother and capitalism gone wrong. We really have to be carefull to draw a line to preserve democratie and stop the corporatism to take the right away from the people because that is exactly what hapend in the USSR just that the corporations was the comunist party (okay I might exagerate but just a little). So we should watch them closely and tell them exactly what we want if they do something stupid in the hope that the subdevisions of the Sonys, TimeWarnerAOLs, Philps etc. do what their consumers want and not what some other devision wants them to.
Ulrich Weber
P.S.: In case you wonder about some strange syntax and spelling , English is not my native tongue.
P.S.S: I know that was at least a dime and not just two cents.
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no brob because they will just say:
"We will jusat ad another MVS partition install an dcompile it there will be ready in a couple of hours. Btw you dont have to worry the rest of the system will carry on interupted."
--Ulrich
Sorry,
I had not read the article befor I posted, though I think IBM will not support Redhat Linux on the AS/400 or the RS/6000 line especally since there is no working port for the AS/400 hardware nor will linuxPPC run on all the RS/6000s. Besides the new AIX will run linux binaries just fine (like FreeBSD).
The S/390 however is another story since the linux port for it is quite usable and wont really run on bare metal but in a "partition" and thus will only use as much resources as the admin wants it to take and with the i/o prformance of a S/390 you get a very nice webserver.
--Ulrich
Well it seems you are mistaking the RS/6000 series with IBM's S/390 which is a platform that allows many OS partitions via MVS on a single machine (kinda like VMWare just that it is trully at native speed). Besides Mainframe are usually used for databases and standard apps like SAP but could with one or two linux timeslots also be used for e-commerce (Intershop supports dirct acces to a SAP R/3 database) so everythinnk can run on a real HA system without getting in each others way.
--Ulrich
I guess debian 3.x will have a 2.4 kernel so i guess woddy is probably going to be 3.0 - unless the kernel will still be pre-somthing in a year or so
--Ulrich
Well I think AMD wants transmeta to get into the Sledgehammer ISA and thus make 64-bit viable from notebooks to servers which would be prety cool.
Besides TM does not have any fabs and if they can get together wth AMD they might get a coper process without paying the IBM premum (of course only if AMD is not to busy crankin out their own stuff)
Well it shure would be nice to own one of these babies. I would use it as an applicationserver for me andmy roommates (wont need to buy another machine in te next coule of years ;-).
But I want to know what they intend to do with teh money, will they donate it, or is this just a way to make space in the serverroom for new machines and make somemoney since I belife they will get more for it than it's worth just because it was used to create Quake.
I think the real problem is as sensible digital storage seems to be today it is the worst way to go. We already have problems reading 20 year old digital tapes because there are no drives left - a good exaple for this is that just recently the german inteligence agency was able to read the tapes from their east German counterpart because they used old IBM tape drives (well actually a east German rebuild) and their own lost fileformat, which had not even encrypteion, and it only took so long because they cold not find a tapedrive which could read the tapes because everybody who had one got rid of it years ago when it got obsolete - and I am sure there are many other cases where something the like happend.
Another problem is that besides drivetechnology being lost (this will suerely also affect DVDs and CDs) filesistems standards will be forgoten and what are you going to as an archologist if you 30 years from now find a CD-ROM and after you managed to build a drive and recover the digital data on it if you can not find a way to tell where a new file starts without an efort just as great as the building of the drive itself and then you probably found a QUAKE CD and chances are good that you never find out what it is - just think that at that time people might have 1024 bit quantum computers so it is unlikely they even will think of the posibility of a computergame writen for a 32 bit computer - although it might tell them much about todays society! Or well think about text files. Who knows how long ASCII might last till it is forgoten? We only had it for a couple of decades and im sure nobody will know what it is in the 22nd century.
The only way to keep data for a long time (I am thinking of a couple of millenia) is to store it as a hardcopy. This can happen kinda like the ancient stone tables - a friend of my parents is an archologist who managed to translate 2000 year old reports from the middle east. I think we should write our important data on corosion proof sheetmetal (with a laser for examaple and stor eit in several places around the world which are geologically stabel. There we can put down impotant fact about ouer society and the plans to build stuff needed to read ouer digital media if they have survived. Because we have no guarantee that there will be no breaks in human development in teh near futur which are as deep as the end of the roman empire.
well see the other repliese we have a very good FreeOpneGl already. If you see the need to do something new - we realy don't need another rendering GL- then go start a project to create a voxel based graphics library which as far as I know does not yet exist in a way comparabel to OpenGL. And by the way what GL are acceleratorboard optimised for? Well the answer is OpenGL and maybe Direct3D and what do you think will happen if we fork OpenGL - I'm sure you dont want that.
So lets hope that since they got lots of money from Intel they will not impose things like 3Dnow tax or kiss Intels ass in other ways but suceed in creating a big userbase and then start producing cool hardware again since the X86 PC should be killed as fast as possible and nobody should shead a single tear.
And since the open source movement obviusly will have a hard time to creat its own hardwareplatform we should hope that companies that showd in the past that it is possible to create a decent "PC" (no that excuse for a computer which IBM invented and we still kinda use is not it) will beginn to to so again, because the real halt in inovation is in hardware - sure we got superfast 3D accelerators and GHz CPU but it's all interconected by a system bus that has only evolved bandwidthwise since the time of the 8086 and there is no OS that will ever make a PC as fast and stable (hardware) as a UltraSparc, MIPS or PA-RISC workstation and its sad that Be went the same way like NeXT by killing its beBOX to port its OS to a hardwareplatform which is IMHO completly unsuitable to do real work with. And if Apple can do it why not Be or SGI because I think word domination (TM) for Linux could be nice, all I really want is a computer that is capable of doing what we need in a sane way - balance I/O and CPU speed - on which we can run usefull software, wether it is opensource or just open in the way Sun saw it 15 years ago, and without having to pay for 50 % profit margins which sadly enough is expected today.
OK might be somewhat offtopic but I know some of you feel the same.
This is quite interesting since all this encryption, handshaking et al. crap is adding cost the hardware be it a TV set, in which case the additional cost would only be marginal, or some USB speakers, :-), and they are actually helping them, like Intel. This I am sure this is only possible since some Studios and record labels are part of large consumer electronics or computer hardware manufacturers for example Sony or Philips.
;-). However it will be impossible for me to make some CD-Rs for my car cd changer and I am not the only one who will be pretty pissed of when this comes to pass. Assides from that the genie actually is already out of the botel and they can do what they want but they wont get me to stop using my CD-R drive or to delete my MP3s, which are mostly homemade anyways.
;-) which might actually help them sell more instead of less! I think copy protection might become a real issue when bandwidth is so that we can just mail a complete DVD to just about anybody on this rock, computers are noisless and all sound cards deliver HiEnd quality signals to my stereo.
which would surely be a lot more expensive, since they are pretty cheap from the start. This is especially strange since, for example some graphics card and display manufacturers got all worked up when some flat panel working group (forgot which ) wanted to standardize a connector that would be 1$ instead of 0.5$ (like the old VGA) but which did not only transmit digital display signals but also worked as a analog RGB, USB and Firewire connector. And now the entertainment industry is obviously succeeding in getting manufacturers to add several DOLLARS worth of encryption hardware, which will not have any purpose in normal computer use (other than encrypting my comment on the way from graphics card to display
This shows that there are quite some people working there who are well out of their minds and are unable to learn from errors made by them in the past. Here comes the DVD player to mind which at least here in Europe (I live in Germany) is quite often only sold when it is modified by the vendor to ignores county codes (I would love if the did the same with playstations), since many people are unwilling to wait half a year (or till hell frezes over) to get an American film after it is available in the USA. And imagine what the corporate world will tell hardware manufacturers if they tell them that it has just become 20,000$ more to get those new TFTs for the 5th floor because they need DVI decryption hardware. And if produktion is forked the stuff without decryption won't get any cheaper.
And on piracy this will definetly not change a thing since if you plan to make several million illegal copies of the latest hits you can afford the equipment to make a 1:1 copie of some DVD. Or in the case of music just play it on some HighEnd stereo and rerecord it which will be if done with care is good enough and almost unaudible but might mean that some people wil think that the Record company is trying to save on the mastering and will also hurt their rep while today you cant hear a difference
It would be by far be a lot more usefull if they thought of other ways of selling stuff. For example if I could buy a DVD for 5$ I would probably buy quite a lot and I would get a DVD player in the first place - YOU HEAR ME SONY. And since good blank VHS tapes are not much cheaper would never copie a DVD to tape, or anything like DVD-RAM since I think those are just as much as blanks. And I also know many people who buy CDs just because they heard it on someone elses MP3s at work or got it on a zip(tm) disk. This makes also a lot of sence especally since MP3 are IMHO still just a replacement for the old audio tapes because the quality just does not come close to a CD even at 256kbps and when played over a home stereo since the DAC on almost all sound cards is not even coming close to that in my cd player or for that matter any other decent cdplayer, but they are very nice if you want to be able to listen to music at work if you really dont listen too closely and wont realy notice and dont have to change CDs after 74min. Besides how many people realy use MP3 a lot it certainly is not my mom or dad because they think of their computers as really usefull typwriters which can even scan text and build databases of books and such (my parents both teach -my mom highschool and my dad college ) thing but they would never think of it as a VCR or stereo, you wouldn't belive how surprised my dad was when I showed him an MPEG movie because he would never thought that is possibl. And I think most people are like that and just because of those few people that actually use MP3s to hurt the music industrie (and probably not even intentionaly) it really is not worth the bother to encrypt signals on a bus or whatever other nonsense when they should really worry about some counterfeiting factorys in china.
These people should get this broomstick out of their ass and stop trying to interfere with the computer industry because it is apart from some marginal overlaping (digital recording studios) not their ballpark if it is even the same game and I really dont think anybody will want tell their boss to pay more mony for the serverconsole just because WB thinks somebody is going to use it to copy "the MATRIX" and the University of Tuebingen (Germany) is not going to buy new switchen since they just finished upgrading the whole network to 100MBit to the Desktop and there are quite some expensive ATM switches in between and the "tuenet" is a regular part of the Internet just that it is on one of its many ends. So this is doomed however it looks like they are dumb enough to try it anyways which is quite sad actually. Especally since this will probably backfire since it prevets that I email an MP3 to some friends telling them "this is really good I would buy the CD, too" (okay I might "lend" one of my private copys to realy close friends
In the light of this it becomes obvius how the interest of some devisions in the megacorps hurt others like Sonymusic will sell more cds but Sony CD-R drives are not sold or even worse because of countrycodes Sony cant sell neither DVD players nor DVD movies or AOL Germany (Bertelsmann owns a large chunk of it although i guess this will change after the Time Warner AOL deal) has less users because BMG (Bertelsmann Music Group) or now Warner Music wants them to filter MP3s out of their traffic strange huh? I would just think we see the forming of the corporate big brother and capitalism gone wrong. We really have to be carefull to draw a line to preserve democratie and stop the corporatism to take the right away from the people because that is exactly what hapend in the USSR just that the corporations was the comunist party (okay I might exagerate but just a little). So we should watch them closely and tell them exactly what we want if they do something stupid in the hope that the subdevisions of the Sonys, TimeWarnerAOLs, Philps etc. do what their consumers want and not what some other devision wants them to.
Ulrich Weber
P.S.: In case you wonder about some strange syntax and spelling , English is not my native tongue.
P.S.S: I know that was at least a dime and not just two cents.