1. There are actually plenty of streets in towns outside London where you can walk along and not bump into someone. London is one of the most densely populated areas of the UK. Personally, I don't like the atmosphere that creates, which is why I stay away.
2. People on the street are real humans. They probably aren't watching you, and they almost certainly aren't recording you. Police in watchrooms may well be watching you with trained eyes, and are recording. Major difference.
"For example, Wikipediareview has made a policy of harassing editors and admins, the users coordinated attacks where they call people at their houses late at night and call their employers to complain about them to get them fired. Do you support that?"
If they use their position to censor speech unnecessarily, then yes I totally support that.
This is basically a private website (in that it isn't funded by government). It was not created by you, it was created by some other people, who continue to run it. I find it hard to label you as anything other than a total asshole that you would support real-life harrassment because they edited some stuff you didn't like on THEIR website.
Well, quite a few people put time and effort into developing Mozilla products. I'd kinda like to see some of the biggest contributors get paid, as a gesture of goodwill.
Hmm, from what I can see from that story, ESR got about 150,000 shares in VA Linux when they went public. He said he had about $36,000,000 at the time, when the stock was trading at $239 per share. Yahoo! Finance says it's currently trading at about $4, which leaves him with about 150,000 * 4 = $600,000. Still seems like quite a lot, and that's assuming he *didn't* sell any off preciously, which he probably did.
What's more, not voting at all will always return one of these parties to power given the way that the voting system is rigged, so democracy is really just a figment of the imagination here in that respect.
I've got 3 words for you: Vote Lib Dem. They're committed to overhauling our electoral system and introducing proportional representation, so this cycle can be broken.
Your idea would result in Mickey Mouse staying out of the public domain forever. Ideas such as this, that are EVERYWHERE, are ridiculous to continously hold from the public. So many would build up that people would end up accidentally (let alone on purpose) infringing on copyrights. Sounds like another broken IP-related system.
If you want your thing protected forever, lock it in a vault, don't let it see the light of day, and don't tell anybody about it. Let it die, along with you eventually.
And we're all *really wishing* that's what Cliff Richard had done. He only has himself to blame; he'd already perpetual copyright now.
You've still missed the main point, which is the question of why this isn't a problem in Europe. USians seem to be saying that they need to live far away from work because they might otherwise need to uproot to live closer to their new job. Europeans don't have a problem living nearby.
Are we not talking about belief in the supernatural here? How would such models help with that question? They might predict the natural universe with 100% accuracy, but that doesn't touch the supernatural universe (if any).
Most people who claim agnosticism in the same manner as yourself are really "weak atheists".
No. Wikipedia defines that as someone who has "not thought about belief in gods; such an individual is implicitly without a belief in gods." That sounds a lot like someone who "believes there are no gods", which is not the same as an agnostic. We believe in the possibility of god(s). The word 'agnostic' is far better, and anyway when you use the word 'atheist', people always assume you're talking about explicit atheism anyway.
Until more conclusive evidence comes in, i.e. for example we have managed to replicate a complete human brain in some other hardware and its functions and actions can be demonstrated to be precisely as those of a "living" one, you simply lack the empirical and theoretical foundations to make absolute claims of this nature.
Even then, you can never prove (as far as I can see) that your fake brain has 'true' sentience. Humans could have 'souls' which are undetectable with our senses, and cannot be created artificially. COULD.
That is why I am a "we have insufficient data" sort of an Agnostic.
I really hate to even think of the US economy and fuel prices because the system is so corrupt there's not much you can do to influence change at this point. Just pray that we get a better administration in 2008.
Given how much Bush speaks to God, it looks like he may have corrupted Him as well... might not do you much good.
Just because your government sucks balls doesn't mean all do, or that it couldn't be improved. Public transport is pretty much only implementable by a public body. Private businesses would cherrypick and ignore the less profitable routes, making it pretty useless or non-existant.
Moving as you change jobs is rarely an option because your losses on the sale of the house can easily exceed your salary for the few years you stay at one job.
I just don't get this. Honest question: why is it that we in Europe somehow manage with this, and it's a problem in the US? If we lose our jobs (something that hopefully doesn't happen much, by the way), we try and find another one nearby, and it's only a problem to move property if we're middle aged and really settled down; twenty-somethings shouldn't really have the same problem. If you are really settled down, one would hope you would have a good degree of job security. Why is this such a major problem in the US, and not over here?
I'm super tired of Europeans thinking that they can automatically assume why Americans don't use public transportation. The layout of cities here is far different and the layout of mass transit is as well.
Anf by 'far different', you mean 'having far lower density'. We do realise this, and think of it as something you should consider a luxury, that it may be desirable to do away with to some extent in return for other efficiency benefits. We also realise that your public transport sucks, and it's because you refuse to invest in it properly.
I'm not attacking you, but don't think we don't realise the issues.
You sure about that? Juries are meant to decide whether somebody is in violation of a certain law, now whether the law is an ass. The reason they're made up of common people is to make sure that that decision is fair (haha, like nobody has prejudices!), not that the law itself is sensible.
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2 points:
1. There are actually plenty of streets in towns outside London where you can walk along and not bump into someone. London is one of the most densely populated areas of the UK. Personally, I don't like the atmosphere that creates, which is why I stay away.
2. People on the street are real humans. They probably aren't watching you, and they almost certainly aren't recording you. Police in watchrooms may well be watching you with trained eyes, and are recording. Major difference.
"For example, Wikipediareview has made a policy of harassing editors and admins, the users coordinated attacks where they call people at their houses late at night and call their employers to complain about them to get them fired. Do you support that?"
If they use their position to censor speech unnecessarily, then yes I totally support that.
This is basically a private website (in that it isn't funded by government). It was not created by you, it was created by some other people, who continue to run it. I find it hard to label you as anything other than a total asshole that you would support real-life harrassment because they edited some stuff you didn't like on THEIR website.
Well, quite a few people put time and effort into developing Mozilla products. I'd kinda like to see some of the biggest contributors get paid, as a gesture of goodwill.
Hmm, from what I can see from that story, ESR got about 150,000 shares in VA Linux when they went public. He said he had about $36,000,000 at the time, when the stock was trading at $239 per share. Yahoo! Finance says it's currently trading at about $4, which leaves him with about 150,000 * 4 = $600,000. Still seems like quite a lot, and that's assuming he *didn't* sell any off preciously, which he probably did.
What's more, not voting at all will always return one of these parties to power given the way that the voting system is rigged, so democracy is really just a figment of the imagination here in that respect.
I've got 3 words for you: Vote Lib Dem. They're committed to overhauling our electoral system and introducing proportional representation, so this cycle can be broken.
Apple OS X and Sun Solaris for x86 have relatively recently come out.
Doesn't OS X arbitrarily prevent people from running it on non-Apple hardware, though? IOW, it actually doesn't run on 'any old x86'.
Yeah, but they'd also only be able to sell it once. Because, once you've sold a physical thing, you can't sell it again.
Indeed. Try this.
Your idea would result in Mickey Mouse staying out of the public domain forever. Ideas such as this, that are EVERYWHERE, are ridiculous to continously hold from the public. So many would build up that people would end up accidentally (let alone on purpose) infringing on copyrights. Sounds like another broken IP-related system.
Copyright, as it stands today is badly broken.
Erm, how?
If you want your thing protected forever, lock it in a vault, don't let it see the light of day, and don't tell anybody about it. Let it die, along with you eventually.
And we're all *really wishing* that's what Cliff Richard had done. He only has himself to blame; he'd already perpetual copyright now.
But I don't really see how you can get to a point where, no matter how sophisticated the model, you can't say, "but God might still exist."
You've still missed the main point, which is the question of why this isn't a problem in Europe. USians seem to be saying that they need to live far away from work because they might otherwise need to uproot to live closer to their new job. Europeans don't have a problem living nearby.
Are we not talking about belief in the supernatural here? How would such models help with that question? They might predict the natural universe with 100% accuracy, but that doesn't touch the supernatural universe (if any).
Most people who claim agnosticism in the same manner as yourself are really "weak atheists".
No. Wikipedia defines that as someone who has "not thought about belief in gods; such an individual is implicitly without a belief in gods." That sounds a lot like someone who "believes there are no gods", which is not the same as an agnostic. We believe in the possibility of god(s). The word 'agnostic' is far better, and anyway when you use the word 'atheist', people always assume you're talking about explicit atheism anyway.
Until more conclusive evidence comes in, i.e. for example we have managed to replicate a complete human brain in some other hardware and its functions and actions can be demonstrated to be precisely as those of a "living" one, you simply lack the empirical and theoretical foundations to make absolute claims of this nature.
Even then, you can never prove (as far as I can see) that your fake brain has 'true' sentience. Humans could have 'souls' which are undetectable with our senses, and cannot be created artificially. COULD.
That is why I am a "we have insufficient data" sort of an Agnostic.
What other sort is there?
I really hate to even think of the US economy and fuel prices because the system is so corrupt there's not much you can do to influence change at this point. Just pray that we get a better administration in 2008.
Given how much Bush speaks to God, it looks like he may have corrupted Him as well... might not do you much good.
Just because your government sucks balls doesn't mean all do, or that it couldn't be improved. Public transport is pretty much only implementable by a public body. Private businesses would cherrypick and ignore the less profitable routes, making it pretty useless or non-existant.
It's not surprising that he should have that view; it will probably work in his own country...
Why would you think that?
Moving as you change jobs is rarely an option because your losses on the sale of the house can easily exceed your salary for the few years you stay at one job.
I just don't get this. Honest question: why is it that we in Europe somehow manage with this, and it's a problem in the US? If we lose our jobs (something that hopefully doesn't happen much, by the way), we try and find another one nearby, and it's only a problem to move property if we're middle aged and really settled down; twenty-somethings shouldn't really have the same problem. If you are really settled down, one would hope you would have a good degree of job security. Why is this such a major problem in the US, and not over here?
I'm super tired of Europeans thinking that they can automatically assume why Americans don't use public transportation. The layout of cities here is far different and the layout of mass transit is as well.
Anf by 'far different', you mean 'having far lower density'. We do realise this, and think of it as something you should consider a luxury, that it may be desirable to do away with to some extent in return for other efficiency benefits. We also realise that your public transport sucks, and it's because you refuse to invest in it properly.
I'm not attacking you, but don't think we don't realise the issues.
Heh, yeah. Resemblance? The only thing it resembles is Tux on LSD...
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You sure about that? Juries are meant to decide whether somebody is in violation of a certain law, now whether the law is an ass. The reason they're made up of common people is to make sure that that decision is fair (haha, like nobody has prejudices!), not that the law itself is sensible.
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Atheism is not a religion, it is the absence of religion.
Agnosticism is the absence of decisiveness.
When you have zero evidence, lack of decisiveness is by far and away the most sensible response.