And lazy. I used to work for a mobile phone provider in the technical department. There is nothing they need off your phone to send your ass to jail that they can't get from the provider. Every sms/mms, contact, and every place you have been they can get from the provider. An if the provider tills you they can't, they are lying because I have done it.
The reason they want this power is because, unlike us, the providers have very deep pockets and lots of lawyers. They can tell the government to go to hell, where "we" can't. We don't have the money to fight the government.
Because most of us don't have anything on our phones that is worth going to prison to keep hidden. In fact even with a finger print and key number on my phone, if the law enforcement showed me a court order to unlock my phone I am pretty sure that I will do it. After consulting my attorney, and of course following his advice first.
Point is there is nothing on my phone but pictures of my kids, grandkids, and 1 picture of my exwife, plus my family contacts. Nothing that I need to secure enough to type in a 16 digit pin for everytime I want to make a phone call or buy a bag of chips.
I've never had a signature on a card be legible for more than a month or two. I can pull out my debit card and the signature will be almost as good as blank.
I'm kind of glad the user interface has stayed pretty much as it has for the past 20 years. Seems everyone is in a hurry to update their website with the lastest new look or some shit. Good to see that/. still has mostly resisted the change and still looks green.
I still compile a kernel every now and then to make sure I can still do it. I never actually install it. I remember though back when I used to compile a new kernel it took about 45 minutes on my PPro 200mhz. Now it takes about 45 minutes on my 8350. hummm.
I have one of those things, still works too. I hated the jog dial with a passion though. I love its sound quality. Sounded much better to me than my daughters ipod. I took out the 40GB drive that came with it and put in a 120GB. That was when I bumped into the other limit on the damn thing. It would only see about 35K tracks.
That has really only been true with the bulldozer core from AMD. Most of the time AMD only lagged behind intel by a few percent, not enough to pay an extra hundred or more bucks for. The bulldozer cores are where AMD fumbled the ball, but even then the processors where still more than enough for most people. Hell, I bought two of them.
I think a lot of it depends on the software too. I've noticed that when running windows on similar class processors, one AMD and one intel, the AMD system always seems to be more sluggish than the intel. I've noticed nothing like this on linux systems. In-fact my 8350 sometimes out performs xeon class machines on some tasks.
Of course nothing here is new. Most of us already know that gaming engines are compiled and optimized for the most common processor out there. An that is a quad core intel based system.
I would go farther and say even most extreme users don't need more than 4 core or 8 threads. I'm considered a power user by most who know me. I'm also a creator in second life. It's not unheard of for me to have 2 firestorm viewers up and running on one desktop, blender open on another, photoshop on the third, and all the while there is a VM running in the background where my shoutcast station is running to provide a stream to the sims I manage. Doing all this and my processor rarely clocks more than 40% across all 4 cores.
Lots of people don't realize how powerful modern desktops really are.
We romanticize them because when you solved a significant problem you were a goddamned hero. It's much calmer and safer to live in an age which does not require heroism, but compared to nostalgia it seems boring.
Can't argue with you here. Back in the "dark ages" I remember how happy I was to have set up a usenet and email on my Amiga 500 and it actually worked the first time. Hero time.
We tend to forget the times when we almost burn down our apartment trying to resurrect a toaster oven we pulled out of the dumpster. Just saying....
When I first saw windows xp I thought "what is this crap?" The interface reminded me of AmigaOS 1.3. After about a month I had figured out how to disable all that theme crap and had XP looking like Windows 2000. Once you got rid of that XP wasn't really that bad of a OS.
I don't believe we will be seeing a shortage of uses for dual core cpu's for a very long time. Of course I think I said the same thing about single cores too, so take that with a gain of salt. I would say that most things that a PC needs to do can be done quite nicely with a dual core CPU..
I think the real performance increases for the next 10 years will come in storage. One of the reasons I upgraded was to get a m.2 module for my workstation. There is still plenty of room for performance increases in that area.
Memory still lags behind processor performance too. DDR4 is fast but there is still plenty of room there too.
GHz for GHz, Kaby Lake (Jan 2017 desktop release) is only about 20% faster than Sandy Bridge (Jan 2011 desktop release). 20% improvement in 6 years. I'm still telling people with Sandy Bridge systems not to bother upgrading. Unless you want more cores (i3 to i5 or i7), some of the newer features (like USB-C support), or want lower power consumption, there's no reason to stop using a Sandy Bridge system
This is the reason I upgraded from my old AMD 8150. It wasn't because of processor performance. I upgraded because the features I anted, USB-C and decent m.2 support, where not available on AMD at the time. Large jumps in PC performance are not because of processors but due to better I/O devices like PCI-e M.2 modules.
I would agree that it was around windows 2000 where the PC as we know it was born. That was when most Linux people I know abandoned Linux and moved to windows.
No. Back in the day a few hackers and engineers didn't like the x86 PC. I wasn't a big fan of it back then ether. I liked the 68K line.
Then and now most people didn't give a shit what processor their PC was running as long as it did the job. I'm willing to bet that most of the people out there don't know what processor their phone is running. I bet even less of them realize that their smart phone is a really just a mini computer they can carry.
Now today most hackers and engineers embrace the x86 PC because it is the best game in town. Sure the ARM processors are doing a good job and have the phone/tablet in the box, but the world runs on x86 processors.
You are not the only one that has expressed a interest in this. It started doing that a few months ago after I sent a email to have some issues fixed with my account. I have sent a few more emails to point that out but never got a reply on them.
So, I figure if the powers that be seem to be fine with me posting at a +3 why should I give a fuck?
No you can't. I doubt that Intel is sandbagging anything. If they where then AMD would be running away with clockspeeds. But if you look at AMD processors you will see they are running at the same clock speeds as Intel.
The reason processors are not going any faster is we have hit the limit of what can be done with the current technology. Over the next few years we might see a increase in a few hundred mhz here and there. But there will never be another leap of 2 or 3 ghz again. Not with what we have.
To go any faster it will take a radical shift in the basic process of comptuer. Quantum processors maybe.
It isn't "most like" the case. It is the case. Fifteen years ago I was changing out processors or memory every 6 months. Now I design my personal workstations with a 5 year lifespan. I have a friend that did the same thing. Now he has a 5th generation i7 that is almost 3 years old. He said he has no intention of upgrading anything till something fails or some radical advancement in technology comes out.
I'm in the same boat. I have a i7-6700K which is a 6th generation processor. Intel just announced they are about to release the 8th generation i7. From looking at what is being release I see no real performance gain over my 6th generation.
My linux server is a centos 6 running on a AMD 8350. As a server it has different requirements than my workstation. Its my file/plex server. It's been doing that role since 2013. It is entering its 5th year in that role and I see no reason to update it for the next 3 or 4 years.
As for your mundane computer users, the PC used to be a oddity. Now they treat a PC more like an appliance than a oddity. Its more like a refrigerator than a computer. You don't upgrade your refrigerator every year or so. This is even if they have a PC. Most now have laptops and treat them the same way.
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But most importantly is we shouldn't have too.
Basically they got greedy
And lazy. I used to work for a mobile phone provider in the technical department. There is nothing they need off your phone to send your ass to jail that they can't get from the provider. Every sms/mms, contact, and every place you have been they can get from the provider. An if the provider tills you they can't, they are lying because I have done it.
The reason they want this power is because, unlike us, the providers have very deep pockets and lots of lawyers. They can tell the government to go to hell, where "we" can't. We don't have the money to fight the government.
Because most of us don't have anything on our phones that is worth going to prison to keep hidden. In fact even with a finger print and key number on my phone, if the law enforcement showed me a court order to unlock my phone I am pretty sure that I will do it. After consulting my attorney, and of course following his advice first.
Point is there is nothing on my phone but pictures of my kids, grandkids, and 1 picture of my exwife, plus my family contacts. Nothing that I need to secure enough to type in a 16 digit pin for everytime I want to make a phone call or buy a bag of chips.
Better plan. Dump a few hundred photos from "granny on granny" into a folder called "Russian election plan." Then let the fun begin.
Sweet. I use the Nova Launcher but I didn't know that it could do that. I will now seek it out and set it up.
Tape will work. I almost only use the thing at gas pumps and drive through fast food. Everyone else I pay with my phone.
My trolling skills have seriously deteriorated in the last 20 years. I will hand in my troll card now.
Come on. You know you want to say it. "Thank You Trump!"
I've never had a signature on a card be legible for more than a month or two. I can pull out my debit card and the signature will be almost as good as blank.
I'm kind of glad the user interface has stayed pretty much as it has for the past 20 years. Seems everyone is in a hurry to update their website with the lastest new look or some shit. Good to see that /. still has mostly resisted the change and still looks green.
No i don't' want to talk about /. beta.
Yup, I remember /. before user accounts. I actually resisted getting one.
I still compile a kernel every now and then to make sure I can still do it. I never actually install it. I remember though back when I used to compile a new kernel it took about 45 minutes on my PPro 200mhz. Now it takes about 45 minutes on my 8350. hummm.
I have one of those things, still works too. I hated the jog dial with a passion though. I love its sound quality. Sounded much better to me than my daughters ipod. I took out the 40GB drive that came with it and put in a 120GB. That was when I bumped into the other limit on the damn thing. It would only see about 35K tracks.
While you may have a point the discussion is geared toward gaming PC's.
That has really only been true with the bulldozer core from AMD. Most of the time AMD only lagged behind intel by a few percent, not enough to pay an extra hundred or more bucks for. The bulldozer cores are where AMD fumbled the ball, but even then the processors where still more than enough for most people. Hell, I bought two of them.
I think a lot of it depends on the software too. I've noticed that when running windows on similar class processors, one AMD and one intel, the AMD system always seems to be more sluggish than the intel. I've noticed nothing like this on linux systems. In-fact my 8350 sometimes out performs xeon class machines on some tasks.
Of course nothing here is new. Most of us already know that gaming engines are compiled and optimized for the most common processor out there. An that is a quad core intel based system.
I would go farther and say even most extreme users don't need more than 4 core or 8 threads. I'm considered a power user by most who know me. I'm also a creator in second life. It's not unheard of for me to have 2 firestorm viewers up and running on one desktop, blender open on another, photoshop on the third, and all the while there is a VM running in the background where my shoutcast station is running to provide a stream to the sims I manage. Doing all this and my processor rarely clocks more than 40% across all 4 cores.
Lots of people don't realize how powerful modern desktops really are.
We romanticize them because when you solved a significant problem you were a goddamned hero. It's much calmer and safer to live in an age which does not require heroism, but compared to nostalgia it seems boring.
Can't argue with you here. Back in the "dark ages" I remember how happy I was to have set up a usenet and email on my Amiga 500 and it actually worked the first time. Hero time.
We tend to forget the times when we almost burn down our apartment trying to resurrect a toaster oven we pulled out of the dumpster. Just saying....
When I first saw windows xp I thought "what is this crap?" The interface reminded me of AmigaOS 1.3. After about a month I had figured out how to disable all that theme crap and had XP looking like Windows 2000. Once you got rid of that XP wasn't really that bad of a OS.
I don't believe we will be seeing a shortage of uses for dual core cpu's for a very long time. Of course I think I said the same thing about single cores too, so take that with a gain of salt. I would say that most things that a PC needs to do can be done quite nicely with a dual core CPU..
I think the real performance increases for the next 10 years will come in storage. One of the reasons I upgraded was to get a m.2 module for my workstation. There is still plenty of room for performance increases in that area.
Memory still lags behind processor performance too. DDR4 is fast but there is still plenty of room there too.
GHz for GHz, Kaby Lake (Jan 2017 desktop release) is only about 20% faster than Sandy Bridge (Jan 2011 desktop release). 20% improvement in 6 years. I'm still telling people with Sandy Bridge systems not to bother upgrading. Unless you want more cores (i3 to i5 or i7), some of the newer features (like USB-C support), or want lower power consumption, there's no reason to stop using a Sandy Bridge system
This is the reason I upgraded from my old AMD 8150. It wasn't because of processor performance. I upgraded because the features I anted, USB-C and decent m.2 support, where not available on AMD at the time. Large jumps in PC performance are not because of processors but due to better I/O devices like PCI-e M.2 modules.
I would agree that it was around windows 2000 where the PC as we know it was born. That was when most Linux people I know abandoned Linux and moved to windows.
People never liked the x86 PC
No. Back in the day a few hackers and engineers didn't like the x86 PC. I wasn't a big fan of it back then ether. I liked the 68K line.
Then and now most people didn't give a shit what processor their PC was running as long as it did the job. I'm willing to bet that most of the people out there don't know what processor their phone is running. I bet even less of them realize that their smart phone is a really just a mini computer they can carry.
Now today most hackers and engineers embrace the x86 PC because it is the best game in town. Sure the ARM processors are doing a good job and have the phone/tablet in the box, but the world runs on x86 processors.
You are not the only one that has expressed a interest in this. It started doing that a few months ago after I sent a email to have some issues fixed with my account. I have sent a few more emails to point that out but never got a reply on them.
So, I figure if the powers that be seem to be fine with me posting at a +3 why should I give a fuck?
You can blame that on Intel and their sandbagging
No you can't. I doubt that Intel is sandbagging anything. If they where then AMD would be running away with clockspeeds. But if you look at AMD processors you will see they are running at the same clock speeds as Intel.
The reason processors are not going any faster is we have hit the limit of what can be done with the current technology. Over the next few years we might see a increase in a few hundred mhz here and there. But there will never be another leap of 2 or 3 ghz again. Not with what we have.
To go any faster it will take a radical shift in the basic process of comptuer. Quantum processors maybe.
It isn't "most like" the case. It is the case. Fifteen years ago I was changing out processors or memory every 6 months. Now I design my personal workstations with a 5 year lifespan. I have a friend that did the same thing. Now he has a 5th generation i7 that is almost 3 years old. He said he has no intention of upgrading anything till something fails or some radical advancement in technology comes out.
I'm in the same boat. I have a i7-6700K which is a 6th generation processor. Intel just announced they are about to release the 8th generation i7. From looking at what is being release I see no real performance gain over my 6th generation.
My linux server is a centos 6 running on a AMD 8350. As a server it has different requirements than my workstation. Its my file/plex server. It's been doing that role since 2013. It is entering its 5th year in that role and I see no reason to update it for the next 3 or 4 years.
As for your mundane computer users, the PC used to be a oddity. Now they treat a PC more like an appliance than a oddity. Its more like a refrigerator than a computer. You don't upgrade your refrigerator every year or so. This is even if they have a PC. Most now have laptops and treat them the same way.