can you offer any REAL advantages of PHP over ASP.NET? I've worked only a little bit with the two of them, and PHP I haven't used much since version 3, and a very brief stint helping a client port a PHP4 site over to JSP. Most of the development I've done has been with JSP/Servlet/Struts, and from my perspective I can't imagine going back to using PHP, although I could see using ASP.NET for enterprise development. To be clear, I am a J2EE developer who is trying to look at ASP.NET as objectively as possible. Here is what I see as advantages that ASP.NET has over something like PHP:
For instance:
I can swap out my serverside scripting language from C# to VB to JScript++ to theoretically any language that supports the CLR.
I can use really nifty tag libraries for such features as automatic pagination.
I can trap events in a framework that abstracts out many of the intricacies of HTTP.
My pages will be compiled and the compiled code will be reused (granted, not a full compile, but byte code interpretation is still faster than text interpretation).
I can get binary reuse of components written for.NET, which is a concept that seems to be completely irrelevant in PHP.
With code behinds I have a very simple mechanism for separating business or integration code from presenation logic.
I get to use full featured object oriented programming languages that are strongly typed and offer all of the advantages of such languages (IO libraries, interface/class inheritance, db libraries, xml processing, ldap abstraction layers, SOAP processing, EAI libraries, connection pooling, multithreading, remote object lookup (COM and.NET remoting, hell, even COM/EJB bridges), etc.).
The tool support for.NET is another very compelling reason to look at ASP.NET.
In memory session support
Again, I'm trying to look at reasons why I would prefer PHP to ASP.NET, and it seems like there are reasons that you are convinced are compelling, so I'd be interested in hearing them.
----All of the really good struts features are in version 1.1b. Which seems like it will be in beta forever.
I'm glad I read your entire post, because I was getting ready to reply that you should look at 1.1 and the JSTL core and format taglibs. I'm very curious about Tapestry, and I am going to spend some time looking at it (never have even heard of it before, but I've been working with struts for the past year and a half fairly extensively). Is there any particular resource you can recommend for a struts veteran who is interested in learning about tapestry?
-All of the really good struts features are in version 1.1b. Which seems like it will be in beta forever.
I'm glad I read your entire post, because I was getting ready to reply that you should look at 1.1 and the JSTL core and format taglibs.
I'm very curious about Tapestry, and I am going to spend some time looking at it (never have even heard of it before, but I've been working with struts for the past year and a half fairly extensively). Is there any particular resource you can recommend for a struts veteran who is interested in learning about tapestry?
are you sure they do the harder work? by what standard? i can certainly clean a toilet, but can they write code to solve problems that aren't even clearly defined and do it within a budgeted amount of time and money?
so now that the union may serve your interests, you are for them? how convenient. But ask yourself, at the end of the day, how much did the unions really help the steel industry or the coal miners? Take a trip to Union Town Pennsylvania if you think that they have helped these people. Then take a look at how the union leaders and their families live. Then put up a post and talk about who the unions really help.
One of the big problems that my company (a consulting firm specializing in custom software development) faces is rate pressure due to off shore options. Much like the other industries in our country in the past, economic tough times have forced companies to look for cheaper work elsewhere.
I personally am tired of hearing people complain about this phenomenon and come up with bad answers to a very real problem. Creating a union is one "solution" i've heard. The people who make these claims will read an article like this and feel even more strongly that we need to be unionized. I believe this is the worst thing we could do. It will accelerate the trend to go offshore.
The real answer to the job security problem is to find new ways to add value, above and beyond custom development skills (which in many C level executives eyes has become a commodity). Had the steel, audio/video, and textile industries taken a different tact than hiding behind a union to avoid the "constant upgrading of skills" that the author of the articles derides, perhaps they would still be industries that employ millions of Americans.
Just like when I was in school, the sociology professor offers a very bad answer, one that will compound the problem. It amazes me how little things have changed.
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Again, I'm trying to look at reasons why I would prefer PHP to ASP.NET, and it seems like there are reasons that you are convinced are compelling, so I'd be interested in hearing them.
sh$t, sorry about the bungled formatting....
i'll try again:
----All of the really good struts features are in version 1.1b. Which seems like it will be in beta forever.
I'm glad I read your entire post, because I was getting ready to reply that you should look at 1.1 and the JSTL core and format taglibs. I'm very curious about Tapestry, and I am going to spend some time looking at it (never have even heard of it before, but I've been working with struts for the past year and a half fairly extensively). Is there any particular resource you can recommend for a struts veteran who is interested in learning about tapestry?
-All of the really good struts features are in version 1.1b. Which seems like it will be in beta forever. I'm glad I read your entire post, because I was getting ready to reply that you should look at 1.1 and the JSTL core and format taglibs. I'm very curious about Tapestry, and I am going to spend some time looking at it (never have even heard of it before, but I've been working with struts for the past year and a half fairly extensively). Is there any particular resource you can recommend for a struts veteran who is interested in learning about tapestry?
are you sure they do the harder work? by what standard? i can certainly clean a toilet, but can they write code to solve problems that aren't even clearly defined and do it within a budgeted amount of time and money?
so now that the union may serve your interests, you are for them? how convenient. But ask yourself, at the end of the day, how much did the unions really help the steel industry or the coal miners? Take a trip to Union Town Pennsylvania if you think that they have helped these people. Then take a look at how the union leaders and their families live. Then put up a post and talk about who the unions really help.
One of the big problems that my company (a consulting firm specializing in custom software development) faces is rate pressure due to off shore options. Much like the other industries in our country in the past, economic tough times have forced companies to look for cheaper work elsewhere.
I personally am tired of hearing people complain about this phenomenon and come up with bad answers to a very real problem. Creating a union is one "solution" i've heard. The people who make these claims will read an article like this and feel even more strongly that we need to be unionized. I believe this is the worst thing we could do. It will accelerate the trend to go offshore.
The real answer to the job security problem is to find new ways to add value, above and beyond custom development skills (which in many C level executives eyes has become a commodity). Had the steel, audio/video, and textile industries taken a different tact than hiding behind a union to avoid the "constant upgrading of skills" that the author of the articles derides, perhaps they would still be industries that employ millions of Americans.
Just like when I was in school, the sociology professor offers a very bad answer, one that will compound the problem. It amazes me how little things have changed.