You are right of course. There is however practical justice, legal justice, and moral justice. They don't all demand the same outcome for the situation you describe.
Personally I still feel that anyone working at NSA is a collaborator is tearing down our Constitutional freedoms. Until they leave their employment there they absolutely deserve to be shunned by the rest of society. Note I don't say attacked or harassed.
that calling out hate-speech is intolerance on par with curtailing the human rights of others â" is a favorite fallback of cowards and bullies
Expressing opinions is a basic human right; therefore there is no such thing as hate speech, only speech. If you are seeking to silence someone because you don't like their ideas, its you who are curtailing rights!
Until Card is actually using using force to deny someone something, he isn't curtailing anything. Labeling an idea hate speech is basically the same thing as an ad hominem argument. If you think his ideas are wrong, tell us why! Attaching a politically charged label to them without any facts, or defined philosophical argument just makes your position look so weak it cannot withstand a real debate.
If only that were true. The high deductible plan, and the little preventative coverage I have now is totally appropriate for me as 30 year old single male. My insurance offers me protection in the even of a real emergency or surprise onset of a condition and costs only about 1k per year.
Its perfect for me. Once Obummer care goes into effect it won't qualify. My costs are going to go way up. All in the name of giving to the undeserving.
Its true to an extent. We do have things and have to bear the cost of supporting things that did not exist in the 1970s. Its comparable though. Cellular phones are a perfect example. I no longer maintain a land line phone, I know lots of people do but they don't need to do so.
Even if I chose to keep my cellular as an additional luxury over the land line, its still not a major drive on my balance sheet. If you really look at things that suck up most of the money, its property taxes, property values, fuel for heating, and recently ( last decade; and ignoring previous short term spikes ) fuel for transportation, and groceries.
Also somethings like internet and phones, should offer savings as well. In terms of added efficiencies.
So while its not perfectly cut and dry; its still clearly the case something has drastically reduced the real value of labor, and that is the place to attack the problem.
Why do our safety needs to keep up. We have more safety net than at any prior time in history. Instead of treating the symptom maybe we should tackle the problem. Before 1970 very few households were two income. So somehow with ~40 hours of labor invested outside the home a comfortable standard of living could be maintained. Now days that otherwise comparable family in terms of living standard, education, etc, has to have two people working putting in a total of ~80+ hours outside the home; all while worker productivity has supposedly increased.
You will never fix this with higher minimum wages laws, that is just inflationary. The very fundamental problem is there is to much labor available. If you want to fix it you raise the cost, not dollar value, of labor. What we should do is adopt (preferable non gender biased) policies that strongly encourage single income households, and dare I say strongly discourage the import of finished goods except for nations that are vary similar to our own in terms of cost of labor.
So to make sure I understand you correctly. What you are saying is Obama and his management of financial regulations is so pathetic, and shamefully corrupt; your only option is to compare his actions to other hypothetical time lines to make him look better. Got it.
Flawed they may be but the poit is to set the ground rules so people know what to do and have something to look to when things get crazy and emotion runs high. Frankly I agree with the parent, the fact that Egypt can't ride it out until the next election and then replace Morsi having learned a lesson about electing theocrats, suggests to me the nation is unlikely to develop the spine it takes to have a democracy and keep it.
This does not bode well for a free Egypt. Whenever things get wierd form now on the military will just take over.
our state department is doing nothing because they in their usual sort sightedness jus don't want anyone unpredictable near Isreal.
That's a good question, sadly it's it probably just academic. Who would have standing to sue? Probably only employers and it isn't as if they would file a suit seeking to pay a tax penalty.
No this is about the most unfair thing to people on the margin which could have happened. Suppose you have a full time job today but no health plan, your employer does not offer one, or you can't afford to participate because the subsidy is to small etc. here comes 2014 where you will be fined for not having the insurance your company is not being excused from providing.
I guess the upshot is you probably don't either loose your job or get your hours cut to part time for a few more months. This is really really unfair though to the bottom rungs of people most of us might consider middle class.
Makes since that the Liar and Cheif would do this though, if you don't see the tax bill or the pink slip until after the congressional and senate elections you might be more easily bambozaled into electing his shit sack party members again.
The problem with code signing certificates though is what should the validate rule actually be? Should an executable no longer be considered trusted when the cert expires?
I bet certain segments of the software industry would love that. Talk about planed obsolesce.
Maybe the binary should be trusted as long as the create or modify dates are prior to the certificates expiry?
This wont do anything because anyone sophisticated enough to create malware can just manipulate the date stamps before signing.
I know OCSP! We will just do revocation checks every time.
Again certain segments of the software industry would love this. It would empower them to decide when your software no longer works. No you can't just check once, malware authors would just have stuff sleep for awhile, and the CA or signer may not know they have had a breach. After all something like 60% of commercial breaches we reported by 3rd parties last year.
Then there are the privacy implications of doing a revocation check everytime you run some code.
The certificate trust model just does not work for software
The real tragedy of the non-user-controllable code signing features being baked into some popular operating systems. It does not make us safer but it dose create a barrier to entry in the market place for legitimate software developers.
Well I know guys who have had licenses pulled but it most cases it was pretty serious infractions like interfering with commercial radio etc. Enough to convince me to toe the line in the interest of keeping my license, but I am not socked to hear they let other stuff slide, especially on the left coast were enforcement is probably impossible.
Given the reasoning for the ruling was a states rights claim, IE the states are responsible for regulating and determine marriage. My Guess is that YES one state could refuse to recognize a homosexual union.
They also struck down the case upholding prop-8 though in California, but only the technical grounds the plaintiffs did not have standing to bring the case; so its unclear how the SCOUTS views a states ability to define marriage as being between only members of the opposite sex as an equal protection matter. We shall see.
Listen, retard, that's not how it works. It's not about who has the biggest dick. It's about who has the money. If China does well, the US does well too. Because now you have a giant market to export. If the chinese can afford to buy US products, you will have more jobs in the US, in the manufacturing sector.
No its really not about the money. Its about the wealth. Wealth is about being secure in the ability to produce the things you need, and having time left over to produce the things you want and to enjoy them. If you have no production in the end you have no wealth. Our current relationship with China is destructive the general wealth of the United States, even its making a certain group of people extremely wealthy.
God I just HATE how short sighted Americans are. How do you think the world works, really? Do you think you just print money and that's it?
No and I don't think the parent does either but it sure looks like you actually do.
It's not. It gets to a point where you can be the world's bestest USA #1 murica fuck yeah economy, and then no one buys from you. If no one buys from you, there's no trading, and you have an import deficit, and you lose the #1 spot. Quickly. Do you think you can keep printing dollars and buy everything from china? Sure you can. Then you lose all manufacturing jobs, and have people protesting, which you have to keep in welfare. Then, because the economy shrinks, you lose your shiny IT job. Then companies close down or are sold to the chinese. Suddenly the only people making money are the ones in "finance", which is a time bomb that just takes 1 bad day at NYSE to crap out the whole country's economy and drag the rest of NATO with it too.
Which is exactly why people like me argue if we are going to start a trade war or a new cold war the time to do it is NOW. Not later, we need to do it now why we still have some industry out side of fiance left, time is running out.
China doing well is the best you can do to reduce your deficit. You don't need to be the #1 all the time, you just need to know how to play your cards. Just remember, you just cannot nuke China. You can wave your big nuclear ICBM cock all you want but you can't afford to use them. The chinese will fuck you up, bad.
Learn the fucking rules of commerce, for once!
Wrong reducing the deficit is good and all but if we do it thru the Fed monetizing debt with endless QE to prop up financial markets so we buy stuff in China, with no real recourse against them just nationalizing it later it won't mean much. We need to create real wealth not just entries on a balance sheet.
The 90s taught us that service-based economies are nice, but you leave out all the untrained masses. There are people who do not want to go to college, and just want a job - and those people won't be able to find jobs if the US keeps the elitist "I import everything because I don't want to get my hands dirty" view. Unless you're a tiny country, it's not viable to live off just "service". Design, R&D is nice, but you need extremely high specialization for this nowadays. If defense is not there to pay for it, how long do you think that will hold?
Physics pretty much says you are wrong. Call me whatever you like but there is some number of people this planet can't feed, or keep within an survivable thermal envelop. I don't know if its 9,10, or 100 billion for that matter. Who knows how efficient we can be. There is however some point where its going to come down to resources being available for your family or someone else.
I don't think anyone's ideals will be so important to them when their kid is hungry.
Right because is somehow Snowden's fault our government was conducting espionage against a nation we are not at war with cold or otherwise. No program on the scale of what the NSA has been doing was going to stay a secret forever. If you want blame someone blame the policy makers who have our government behaving deceitfully, and hypocritically.
I am not so sure. The fact is this little blue marble is only so big. There will probably necessarily come a day where its us them. Maybe that impasse is 50, 100, or 300 years from now but I think its coming. Starting an economic conflict/now/ when it really would still hurt them more than us might not be a terrible plan.
Given what our Government has been doing to Universities in HK, conducting cyber attacks of they type our own military has publicly stated could be considered an act of war this response is COMPLETELY JUSTIFIED. I don't know why any reasonable person would expect China to do anything less.
After all what have done? Talked about potential trade disruption. Considering we have already done the same, with arguably less provocation, this had to be expected.
The fact is all the secrecy, creative interpretations of legal authorizations, spying etc, is making our nation less safe. Chuck Schumer and John Kerry are running around saying how "troubled" they are friendly nations HK/China, Russia, wont extradite someone they want to charge with a political crime. Well they should look in the mirror, why are is our government hacking academic institutions their countries. They don't trust us because policies that men like Kerry and Schumer helped put in place make us untrustworthy.
Quite honestly I think a more inward policy would be best for our nation. I am of the belief all our terrorism are in fact rooted in globalism; but even if you don't the current leadership still needs to go because our current policy does not foster anything like real international cooperation.
nobody actually cares since AC off for 15 minutes is barely noticable.
You've never lived in Arizona have you?
Yea, I was going to comment on this as well. Having the A/C off for 15min can be very noticeable; especially when it was not on in the first place, and most of the smart meters don't account for that. They just have there off period.
I used to live Minnesota, not know for being hot, but let me tell you summer on the prairie can be fickle once in awhile you'll get heat waves that last a few days and can easily be 95+.
Well the utility decided they were going to offer the "saver-switch" Basically they could such your A/C off for 15min at peak time, in exchange for a slightly lower electricity rate in the summer months. Sounded good.
I am sure if you are the type who keeps their house at 69 degrees all summer long, it probably does not make a huge difference. If you are someone energy/cost conscious in the first place and don't start air-conditioning until closer to 80. That 15min outage happening at the wrong time is easily enough to cause things to go to a really unpleasant 85. I found I actually used MORE power that summer because I started having to keep the house at a cooler so that I did not get stuck with A/C when I really needed. The "Saver-switch" came off the next year.
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You are right of course. There is however practical justice, legal justice, and moral justice. They don't all demand the same outcome for the situation you describe.
Personally I still feel that anyone working at NSA is a collaborator is tearing down our Constitutional freedoms. Until they leave their employment there they absolutely deserve to be shunned by the rest of society. Note I don't say attacked or harassed.
that calling out hate-speech is intolerance on par with curtailing the human rights of others â" is a favorite fallback of cowards and bullies
Expressing opinions is a basic human right; therefore there is no such thing as hate speech, only speech. If you are seeking to silence someone because you don't like their ideas, its you who are curtailing rights!
Until Card is actually using using force to deny someone something, he isn't curtailing anything. Labeling an idea hate speech is basically the same thing as an ad hominem argument. If you think his ideas are wrong, tell us why! Attaching a politically charged label to them without any facts, or defined philosophical argument just makes your position look so weak it cannot withstand a real debate.
If only that were true. The high deductible plan, and the little preventative coverage I have now is totally appropriate for me as 30 year old single male. My insurance offers me protection in the even of a real emergency or surprise onset of a condition and costs only about 1k per year.
Its perfect for me. Once Obummer care goes into effect it won't qualify. My costs are going to go way up. All in the name of giving to the undeserving.
The government not comping with its own laws for technical reasons or otherwise is unacceptable.
I hope someone in a position to file a suit for not being able to setup the benefits as desired and legal way under the law will sue.
Its true to an extent. We do have things and have to bear the cost of supporting things that did not exist in the 1970s. Its comparable though. Cellular phones are a perfect example. I no longer maintain a land line phone, I know lots of people do but they don't need to do so.
Even if I chose to keep my cellular as an additional luxury over the land line, its still not a major drive on my balance sheet. If you really look at things that suck up most of the money, its property taxes, property values, fuel for heating, and recently ( last decade; and ignoring previous short term spikes ) fuel for transportation, and groceries.
Also somethings like internet and phones, should offer savings as well. In terms of added efficiencies.
So while its not perfectly cut and dry; its still clearly the case something has drastically reduced the real value of labor, and that is the place to attack the problem.
That depends very much on the industry.
No the problem is the government does "make money" and in doing so steals the wealth of everyone.
Why do our safety needs to keep up. We have more safety net than at any prior time in history. Instead of treating the symptom maybe we should tackle the problem. Before 1970 very few households were two income. So somehow with ~40 hours of labor invested outside the home a comfortable standard of living could be maintained. Now days that otherwise comparable family in terms of living standard, education, etc, has to have two people working putting in a total of ~80+ hours outside the home; all while worker productivity has supposedly increased.
You will never fix this with higher minimum wages laws, that is just inflationary. The very fundamental problem is there is to much labor available. If you want to fix it you raise the cost, not dollar value, of labor. What we should do is adopt (preferable non gender biased) policies that strongly encourage single income households, and dare I say strongly discourage the import of finished goods except for nations that are vary similar to our own in terms of cost of labor.
So to make sure I understand you correctly. What you are saying is Obama and his management of financial regulations is so pathetic, and shamefully corrupt; your only option is to compare his actions to other hypothetical time lines to make him look better. Got it.
I'd say ATT published it when they made it available online via webserver with no effective authentication around it.
Flawed they may be but the poit is to set the ground rules so people know what to do and have something to look to when things get crazy and emotion runs high. Frankly I agree with the parent, the fact that Egypt can't ride it out until the next election and then replace Morsi having learned a lesson about electing theocrats, suggests to me the nation is unlikely to develop the spine it takes to have a democracy and keep it.
This does not bode well for a free Egypt. Whenever things get wierd form now on the military will just take over.
our state department is doing nothing because they in their usual sort sightedness jus don't want anyone unpredictable near Isreal.
That's a good question, sadly it's it probably just academic. Who would have standing to sue? Probably only employers and it isn't as if they would file a suit seeking to pay a tax penalty.
No this is about the most unfair thing to people on the margin which could have happened. Suppose you have a full time job today but no health plan, your employer does not offer one, or you can't afford to participate because the subsidy is to small etc. here comes 2014 where you will be fined for not having the insurance your company is not being excused from providing.
I guess the upshot is you probably don't either loose your job or get your hours cut to part time for a few more months. This is really really unfair though to the bottom rungs of people most of us might consider middle class.
Makes since that the Liar and Cheif would do this though, if you don't see the tax bill or the pink slip until after the congressional and senate elections you might be more easily bambozaled into electing his shit sack party members again.
The problem with code signing certificates though is what should the validate rule actually be? Should an executable no longer be considered trusted when the cert expires?
I bet certain segments of the software industry would love that. Talk about planed obsolesce.
Maybe the binary should be trusted as long as the create or modify dates are prior to the certificates expiry?
This wont do anything because anyone sophisticated enough to create malware can just manipulate the date stamps before signing.
I know OCSP! We will just do revocation checks every time.
Again certain segments of the software industry would love this. It would empower them to decide when your software no longer works. No you can't just check once, malware authors would just have stuff sleep for awhile, and the CA or signer may not know they have had a breach. After all something like 60% of commercial breaches we reported by 3rd parties last year.
Then there are the privacy implications of doing a revocation check everytime you run some code.
The certificate trust model just does not work for software
The real tragedy of the non-user-controllable code signing features being baked into some popular operating systems. It does not make us safer but it dose create a barrier to entry in the market place for legitimate software developers.
Well I know guys who have had licenses pulled but it most cases it was pretty serious infractions like interfering with commercial radio etc. Enough to convince me to toe the line in the interest of keeping my license, but I am not socked to hear they let other stuff slide, especially on the left coast were enforcement is probably impossible.
Given the reasoning for the ruling was a states rights claim, IE the states are responsible for regulating and determine marriage. My Guess is that YES one state could refuse to recognize a homosexual union.
They also struck down the case upholding prop-8 though in California, but only the technical grounds the plaintiffs did not have standing to bring the case; so its unclear how the SCOUTS views a states ability to define marriage as being between only members of the opposite sex as an equal protection matter. We shall see.
Yes the FCC will absoultly revoke your HAM license, if you make a habit of breaking the rules.
Listen, retard, that's not how it works. It's not about who has the biggest dick. It's about who has the money. If China does well, the US does well too. Because now you have a giant market to export. If the chinese can afford to buy US products, you will have more jobs in the US, in the manufacturing sector.
No its really not about the money. Its about the wealth. Wealth is about being secure in the ability to produce the things you need, and having time left over to produce the things you want and to enjoy them. If you have no production in the end you have no wealth. Our current relationship with China is destructive the general wealth of the United States, even its making a certain group of people extremely wealthy.
God I just HATE how short sighted Americans are. How do you think the world works, really? Do you think you just print money and that's it?
No and I don't think the parent does either but it sure looks like you actually do.
It's not. It gets to a point where you can be the world's bestest USA #1 murica fuck yeah economy, and then no one buys from you. If no one buys from you, there's no trading, and you have an import deficit, and you lose the #1 spot. Quickly. Do you think you can keep printing dollars and buy everything from china? Sure you can. Then you lose all manufacturing jobs, and have people protesting, which you have to keep in welfare. Then, because the economy shrinks, you lose your shiny IT job. Then companies close down or are sold to the chinese. Suddenly the only people making money are the ones in "finance", which is a time bomb that just takes 1 bad day at NYSE to crap out the whole country's economy and drag the rest of NATO with it too.
Which is exactly why people like me argue if we are going to start a trade war or a new cold war the time to do it is NOW. Not later, we need to do it now why we still have some industry out side of fiance left, time is running out.
China doing well is the best you can do to reduce your deficit. You don't need to be the #1 all the time, you just need to know how to play your cards. Just remember, you just cannot nuke China. You can wave your big nuclear ICBM cock all you want but you can't afford to use them. The chinese will fuck you up, bad.
Learn the fucking rules of commerce, for once!
Wrong reducing the deficit is good and all but if we do it thru the Fed monetizing debt with endless QE to prop up financial markets so we buy stuff in China, with no real recourse against them just nationalizing it later it won't mean much. We need to create real wealth not just entries on a balance sheet.
The 90s taught us that service-based economies are nice, but you leave out all the untrained masses. There are people who do not want to go to college, and just want a job - and those people won't be able to find jobs if the US keeps the elitist "I import everything because I don't want to get my hands dirty" view. Unless you're a tiny country, it's not viable to live off just "service". Design, R&D is nice, but you need extremely high specialization for this nowadays. If defense is not there to pay for it, how long do you think that will hold?
Well I guess you got one right.
Physics pretty much says you are wrong. Call me whatever you like but there is some number of people this planet can't feed, or keep within an survivable thermal envelop. I don't know if its 9,10, or 100 billion for that matter. Who knows how efficient we can be. There is however some point where its going to come down to resources being available for your family or someone else.
I don't think anyone's ideals will be so important to them when their kid is hungry.
Right because is somehow Snowden's fault our government was conducting espionage against a nation we are not at war with cold or otherwise. No program on the scale of what the NSA has been doing was going to stay a secret forever. If you want blame someone blame the policy makers who have our government behaving deceitfully, and hypocritically.
I am not so sure. The fact is this little blue marble is only so big. There will probably necessarily come a day where its us them. Maybe that impasse is 50, 100, or 300 years from now but I think its coming. Starting an economic conflict /now/ when it really would still hurt them more than us might not be a terrible plan.
Or at the very least economically marginalized be being the denied the right travel, and black listed from any job that does a background check.
Given what our Government has been doing to Universities in HK, conducting cyber attacks of they type our own military has publicly stated could be considered an act of war this response is COMPLETELY JUSTIFIED. I don't know why any reasonable person would expect China to do anything less.
After all what have done? Talked about potential trade disruption. Considering we have already done the same, with arguably less provocation, this had to be expected.
The fact is all the secrecy, creative interpretations of legal authorizations, spying etc, is making our nation less safe. Chuck Schumer and John Kerry are running around saying how "troubled" they are friendly nations HK/China, Russia, wont extradite someone they want to charge with a political crime. Well they should look in the mirror, why are is our government hacking academic institutions their countries. They don't trust us because policies that men like Kerry and Schumer helped put in place make us untrustworthy.
Quite honestly I think a more inward policy would be best for our nation. I am of the belief all our terrorism are in fact rooted in globalism; but even if you don't the current leadership still needs to go because our current policy does not foster anything like real international cooperation.
nobody actually cares since AC off for 15 minutes is barely noticable.
You've never lived in Arizona have you?
Yea, I was going to comment on this as well. Having the A/C off for 15min can be very noticeable; especially when it was not on in the first place, and most of the smart meters don't account for that. They just have there off period.
I used to live Minnesota, not know for being hot, but let me tell you summer on the prairie can be fickle once in awhile you'll get heat waves that last a few days and can easily be 95+.
Well the utility decided they were going to offer the "saver-switch" Basically they could such your A/C off for 15min at peak time, in exchange for a slightly lower electricity rate in the summer months. Sounded good.
I am sure if you are the type who keeps their house at 69 degrees all summer long, it probably does not make a huge difference. If you are someone energy/cost conscious in the first place and don't start air-conditioning until closer to 80. That 15min outage happening at the wrong time is easily enough to cause things to go to a really unpleasant 85. I found I actually used MORE power that summer because I started having to keep the house at a cooler so that I did not get stuck with A/C when I really needed. The "Saver-switch" came off the next year.