Within 20 years, you'll probably have to be above average to be able find a job that you could make a living at.
I give you credit here, you make a concrete prediction, which is more than what most people do. I think it's a dumb prediction, but you're above the crowd so well done.
If Google had released their source code under the GPL (since Java is under GPL), this wouldn't have been a problem at all. It's kind of sad, actually.
Throughout six months of
discovery on remand, Google produced 200,000 pages of documents.
Not a single page mentioned ARC++. Then in the final week, after it
became impossible to use them in
depositions, Google dumped 350,000
pages on Oracle
You brought up an example, people who are not working, to show that people will work. That is definitely not a convincing argument, but I do like our idea of looking in other areas to see how people would act under basic income. Another good place might be to look at the old Roman bread welfare system, since it essentially was a basic income.
That's a reasonable point, that if we have full automation, people won't need to work anyway. However:
But it looks pretty much unavoidable now.
This is a questionable premise. People have been saying that "any day now......." for over a century. Right now, unemployment is getting lower. When do you see that day arriving?
The first country to do basic income correctly (read: sustainably) will likely experience the next Renaissance
See, this is the sort of unsupported optimism I see.......why do you think that would happen instead of everyone spending all their time watching Netflix or going to the beach?
I'm not sure what you point is here, but in any of the graphs you linked to, there is no appearance of automation taking everyone's jobs. Which is the topic under discussion.
The point is that in the coming era of automation, that's exactly what needs to happen. There will NOT be enough jobs for everyone
Yeah, people have been beating that drum for over a century. When is the drop in employment coming? When do you predict it will happen? Make a testable prediction, and we'll see if you're right.
No, you're wrong, as more automation has happened, productivity has increased, and compensation per hour worked has also increased. The only way we can collectively get an increase in standard of living is by improved automation (or other productivity increases, like the invention of a plow, which isn't really automation).
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Holy shit you are thick.
Thanks, you're dumb as a brick.
I mean in every single reply on this topic you have missed the point, taken something out of context, or just plain not understood what was said.
Lies.
That the amount of work they'll do is anywhere near the amount of work they'd do if they didn't have BI.
It's already happening
No, unemployment is dropping. Compensation is increasing.
Within 20 years, you'll probably have to be above average to be able find a job that you could make a living at.
I give you credit here, you make a concrete prediction, which is more than what most people do. I think it's a dumb prediction, but you're above the crowd so well done.
If having "nothing to do", day to day, was fulfilling there wouldn't be the rates of depression among the retired that we have
Maybe. Getting old and close to death seems to be rather terrifying when you approach it, actually.
Economics is NOT a science. There are no 'laws' only principles at best.
What about MV = PQ ? That seems a lot like a law.
Good point. Polyamory ftw!!
If Google had released their source code under the GPL (since Java is under GPL), this wouldn't have been a problem at all. It's kind of sad, actually.
:
Throughout six months of discovery on remand, Google produced 200,000 pages of documents. Not a single page mentioned ARC++. Then in the final week, after it became impossible to use them in depositions, Google dumped 350,000 pages on Oracle
You brought up an example, people who are not working, to show that people will work. That is definitely not a convincing argument, but I do like our idea of looking in other areas to see how people would act under basic income. Another good place might be to look at the old Roman bread welfare system, since it essentially was a basic income.
As someone who has made some (very minor) open source contributions, I can tell you it's not all "fun stuff"
You got Linux running on an HP Printer...........not only is that very cool, it also sounds like tons of fun.
Talk to long-time unemployed people and ask them if they would work given the chance. Most of them will answer in the positive.
Sounds like you are promoting a jobs program, not a BI program.
But it looks pretty much unavoidable now.
This is a questionable premise. People have been saying that "any day now......." for over a century. Right now, unemployment is getting lower. When do you see that day arriving?
That's really cool. Do you have source code?
I notice you completely failed to answer the question, merely beating the same drum again. When is it going to happen? Do you have an answer?
Oh, I fully admit that people can and will do useful things in their free time. That's not what I was casting doubt on, though.
Furthermore, US unemployment is insufficient to determine whether there is a worldwide shortage of work,
What numbers would you suggest using?
I'm 90% sure I can find a woman who is also willing to subsist on the minimum. We'll have plenty of time to do.......other stuff.
Here is the text of the appeal, in case anyone wants to read it.
The first country to do basic income correctly (read: sustainably) will likely experience the next Renaissance
See, this is the sort of unsupported optimism I see.......why do you think that would happen instead of everyone spending all their time watching Netflix or going to the beach?
That sounds so wonderful.
or volunteer in church, babysit the grandkids,
Like, once or twice a week......
I'm not sure what you point is here, but in any of the graphs you linked to, there is no appearance of automation taking everyone's jobs. Which is the topic under discussion.
The point is that in the coming era of automation, that's exactly what needs to happen. There will NOT be enough jobs for everyone
Yeah, people have been beating that drum for over a century. When is the drop in employment coming? When do you predict it will happen? Make a testable prediction, and we'll see if you're right.
What figures are you using?
U6.
My mom is a 64 year old Uber driver.
If your mom is underemployed (not working full time, for example), then she counts as unemployed in the U6 statistics.
No, you're wrong, as more automation has happened, productivity has increased, and compensation per hour worked has also increased. The only way we can collectively get an increase in standard of living is by improved automation (or other productivity increases, like the invention of a plow, which isn't really automation).