The things in my post are in the second category. Uncontrolled impulsiveness - is probably an oxymoron that I think translates to - older people have a more disiplined mind. Comparing same to same then age would probably be a factor but how sane you are at any one time in your life has more to do with circumstance than age, OTOH life is boring if you try and resist all your impulses.
Yep, we're all people and I really don't think it's news that young people are impatient, and the same could be said about many species of animals.
I am 48 and I'm impatient with crap on the net because over many years as a software developer I have learnt what "crap on the net" looks like.
I'm also impatient with people who knock on my door to tell me about thier favorite politician or diety, or call me up at dinner time to sell me something. That's because over many years I know what crap on my doorstep/phone looks/sounds like.
I'm impatient with web sites that want registration, stores that want phone numbers, checkout queues, voice menus, my microwave that beeps every few minutes until I get up and open it's door, answering "are you sure you want to..." dialogs. All these busy-body, fail-safe, look-at-me "customer relationship tools" that won't let you wind past the FBI crap **IN AUSTRALIA** are just wasting what years I have left.
OTOH: I am much more patient than I was at 21, IMHO having your own kids surpass that age gives you (as a friend once put it), a new level of calm.
Well said, and I think it's because at the lowest level of existence everything has it's foundations in faith. Religions people put thier faith in gods, signs and mircales, secular people put their faith in observations, logic and repeatability. No human is fully one way or the other, we are all somewhere in between (yes, even the Pope and R.Dawkins).
IMHO, mysticisim, religion, science and personal rituals (how one showers, shaves, applies make-up, wipes their arse, ect) are not that far apart. The pragmatic difference is that science has a methodology and philosophy that has transformed the planet in the last 150yrs or so (science & math started to spread rapidly through the advent of public education and cheap books in Victorian times). Religion has lost a great deal of it's power over everyday life, and people rarely notice (let alone question) the usefulness or otherwise of thier personal rituals.
The Pigeon dance: ( a derogatory term used to describe conclusions drawn from random/insufficient data )
Also it's said to be an experiment in animal behaviour that goes something like this...
Scientists trained a pigeon to peck at a lever to dispense seeds. Once the pigeon had learned the trick the changed the machine so that the lever did not work anymore, instead the same size meal of seeds were dropped randomly over the entire length of the birds feeding time.
At first the pigeon started getting frustrated as it pecked away at the lever and nothing happened, it started performing random movements such as pecking the wall, spining around in frustration, standing on the lever, ect. When a seed happened to drop the pigeon would eat it and repeat whatever movements it had just performed.
After some time the pigeon would build up a whole routine of spins, bobs, flutters, pecks, ect. If no seed dropped after the pigeon performed it's intricate dance the bird would repeat it with slight adjustments, if an adjustment "worked" it was kept. After a while the time taken to execute the dance remained roughly steady even though the dance was slowly but continually changing as the pigeon tried to adjust it's "theory" to compensate for luck.
Some might think that individual humans would behave differently in similar experiments and soon work out via logic alone that the reward was random, however they would be wrong.
"And yes, it was a nice troll, because pretty much all you did was insult, then insult again, instead of just arguing your position with rational, logical, decent arguments. That's trolling."
I don't see any insults, but if your tinfoil hat is tight enough to percieve my post as insult after insult then to you it's flamebait, not a troll.
An 80-core chip that won't be available to customers for another 5yrs? It will be many more years before you can afford a terraflop device like that for personal use and by that time Intel will sell it for a few hundred dollars and won't care what you do with it.
In other words the 'mainstream' market TFA is talking about is enterprise computing not personal computing, and yes it was a nice troll wasn't it.
"I don't want to "rent" the processing power of my own computer"
Well in that case you can remove the tinfoil. This is aimed at people who do, they have the money to get it and the bussiness sense to know what to do with it. I don't mean to be rude but nobody cares if you have your own data center in the basement, unless of course you want to pay someone serious money to look after it for you.
"Renting your own possessions back" is a practise used by multi-nationals for tax purposes./fixed
"Removing the current solutions provided by the government without offering any alternative seems ridiculous from my point of view."
Indeed! I am not from the US and I certainly would not want to be it's president, but fans of RP's extremist views should take a look around the rest of the planet. The nations that have already accomplished those six points are all bannana republics who's citizens do not have ANY income to tax. IIRC the last leader of a major nation to actually implement such a simple-minded revolution was Mao.
"and Australia - as the world's largest iron ore exporters - would be the winners.
China is now our biggest customer for iron ore and Western Australia is booming because they signed up for 30yrs. The US kinda shot themselves in the foot with that part of the "free" trade deal.
I'm an Aussie, my partner is a lecturer and took 10yrs to complete her Phd, it got her into a better academic job but still she earns ~15% less than I do as an experienced software engineer with a decent CS degree.
Your sig - "Ubuntu 7.10 was the first Linux install I've ever done that worked! (Now what do I do with it?)". You educated yourself for an academic career and got one, if you want to move into commerce then follow your own advice and drop out of academia.
"Get your "computer" to print out every single number between 0 and a googleplex. A UTM can do that. No computer can."
Sure there is the whole "not enough atoms in the Universe thing" but it is postulated that a 7 state "busy beaver" program could generate a googolplex.
A float can handle approximately 4 000 000 000 values
The most popular floating point representations can handle 12-18 significant digits.
I have no idea why you were modded as a troll maybe they were aiming for the OP and missed? Anyway the key word in my comment was "implementation".
What you and the OP are saying is that an abacus cannot count to inifinity. Not surprising given the nature of infinity but a red-herring when it comes to implementing a UTM.
The point is that the OP has misrepresented what Turing's UTM and computer science is all about. A UTM can compute anything that is computable, the set of things that are computable is infinite. UTM is a mathematical model of computation, how (or if) you store the result of the computation is irelevant.
"Oh dear, my pet peeve again, self-annointed Computer Experts propounding about Turing's theories, while displaying an utter lack of comprehension of what Turing actually said."
It is called "Universal" because it can compute anything that is computable not because it can list everything that is computable.
"there are only a finite number of steps a program can run unless we're prepared to let the program run forever"
You also seem to have missed the point of Turing's halting problem.
"analogous to what I have argued above"
That wasn't an argument, it was a pedantic troll that mis-represents both Turing's work and computer science in general.
"If you want an infinite number of possible trees then create an implementation for a universal Turing machine."
Such an implementation has already been created, we computer scientists call it "the computer". Now, no matter how powerful we make our "computer", no matter how (or if) we implement floating point it makes no difference to the number of possible trees a computer can generate.
Not sure if the post was a troll or an attempt at humour - but the insighful mod makes me sad.
"you have a better chance of seeing Hillary Clinton swear off dissembling than you do of getting a straight answer anywhere around the global warming debate"
IANAClimatoligist, but ummm....what was the question again?
I think the "huge tanks of water" you are thinking of are for nutrino detection and these are below ground level. I have no idea why you emphasised "at ground level"?
Ummm, you do realise that we don't have a president and we don't directly elect the PM?
By definition an independent can only stand for a single seat in parliment or the senate, running for more than one seat requires more than one candidate and therefore is by definition a party.
The only way an independent can become PM is > 50% of parliment voting him into the job. For the last 10yrs the PM was the choice of TWO parties who formed a coalition government (Liberal and National partys), the recent election gave government to a single party (Labor).
Independents hand out HTV cards the same as everyone else, it would be pointless for an independent to have the "infrastructure" to hand out HTV cards in all the electorates where they are not running.
If an independent can't rally a few locals to hand out cards once every few years it just means that nobody is interested. If they can't get people to support their cause then what the hell are they doing in politics?
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The things in my post are in the second category. Uncontrolled impulsiveness - is probably an oxymoron that I think translates to - older people have a more disiplined mind. Comparing same to same then age would probably be a factor but how sane you are at any one time in your life has more to do with circumstance than age, OTOH life is boring if you try and resist all your impulses.
"When I was 18 my farther was very naive but he's no fool, it's amazing how much he has learnt over the last five years." - Paraphrase.
Yep, we're all people and I really don't think it's news that young people are impatient, and the same could be said about many species of animals.
I am 48 and I'm impatient with crap on the net because over many years as a software developer I have learnt what "crap on the net" looks like.
I'm also impatient with people who knock on my door to tell me about thier favorite politician or diety, or call me up at dinner time to sell me something. That's because over many years I know what crap on my doorstep/phone looks/sounds like.
I'm impatient with web sites that want registration, stores that want phone numbers, checkout queues, voice menus, my microwave that beeps every few minutes until I get up and open it's door, answering "are you sure you want to..." dialogs. All these busy-body, fail-safe, look-at-me "customer relationship tools" that won't let you wind past the FBI crap **IN AUSTRALIA** are just wasting what years I have left.
OTOH: I am much more patient than I was at 21, IMHO having your own kids surpass that age gives you (as a friend once put it), a new level of calm.
Well said, and I think it's because at the lowest level of existence everything has it's foundations in faith. Religions people put thier faith in gods, signs and mircales, secular people put their faith in observations, logic and repeatability. No human is fully one way or the other, we are all somewhere in between (yes, even the Pope and R.Dawkins).
IMHO, mysticisim, religion, science and personal rituals (how one showers, shaves, applies make-up, wipes their arse, ect) are not that far apart. The pragmatic difference is that science has a methodology and philosophy that has transformed the planet in the last 150yrs or so (science & math started to spread rapidly through the advent of public education and cheap books in Victorian times). Religion has lost a great deal of it's power over everyday life, and people rarely notice (let alone question) the usefulness or otherwise of thier personal rituals.
The Pigeon dance: ( a derogatory term used to describe conclusions drawn from random/insufficient data )
Also it's said to be an experiment in animal behaviour that goes something like this...
Scientists trained a pigeon to peck at a lever to dispense seeds. Once the pigeon had learned the trick the changed the machine so that the lever did not work anymore, instead the same size meal of seeds were dropped randomly over the entire length of the birds feeding time.
At first the pigeon started getting frustrated as it pecked away at the lever and nothing happened, it started performing random movements such as pecking the wall, spining around in frustration, standing on the lever, ect. When a seed happened to drop the pigeon would eat it and repeat whatever movements it had just performed.
After some time the pigeon would build up a whole routine of spins, bobs, flutters, pecks, ect. If no seed dropped after the pigeon performed it's intricate dance the bird would repeat it with slight adjustments, if an adjustment "worked" it was kept. After a while the time taken to execute the dance remained roughly steady even though the dance was slowly but continually changing as the pigeon tried to adjust it's "theory" to compensate for luck.
Some might think that individual humans would behave differently in similar experiments and soon work out via logic alone that the reward was random, however they would be wrong.
"can we get a screenshot?"
Here ya go.
"And yes, it was a nice troll, because pretty much all you did was insult, then insult again, instead of just arguing your position with rational, logical, decent arguments. That's trolling."
I don't see any insults, but if your tinfoil hat is tight enough to percieve my post as insult after insult then to you it's flamebait, not a troll.
"I vote for a 0 to 60 Mph in 0.25 seconds Tesla."
To avoid blackouts it should also come with a pair of pressurised pants like jet pilots use (preferably with room for an adult diaper).
An 80-core chip that won't be available to customers for another 5yrs? It will be many more years before you can afford a terraflop device like that for personal use and by that time Intel will sell it for a few hundred dollars and won't care what you do with it.
In other words the 'mainstream' market TFA is talking about is enterprise computing not personal computing, and yes it was a nice troll wasn't it.
"I don't want to "rent" the processing power of my own computer"
/fixed
Well in that case you can remove the tinfoil. This is aimed at people who do, they have the money to get it and the bussiness sense to know what to do with it. I don't mean to be rude but nobody cares if you have your own data center in the basement, unless of course you want to pay someone serious money to look after it for you.
"Renting your own possessions back" is a practise used by multi-nationals for tax purposes.
"Removing the current solutions provided by the government without offering any alternative seems ridiculous from my point of view."
Indeed! I am not from the US and I certainly would not want to be it's president, but fans of RP's extremist views should take a look around the rest of the planet. The nations that have already accomplished those six points are all bannana republics who's citizens do not have ANY income to tax. IIRC the last leader of a major nation to actually implement such a simple-minded revolution was Mao.
No I don't, but neither does she.
"and Australia - as the world's largest iron ore exporters - would be the winners.
China is now our biggest customer for iron ore and Western Australia is booming because they signed up for 30yrs. The US kinda shot themselves in the foot with that part of the "free" trade deal.
You must be new around here. :)
I'm an Aussie, my partner is a lecturer and took 10yrs to complete her Phd, it got her into a better academic job but still she earns ~15% less than I do as an experienced software engineer with a decent CS degree.
Your sig - "Ubuntu 7.10 was the first Linux install I've ever done that worked! (Now what do I do with it?)". You educated yourself for an academic career and got one, if you want to move into commerce then follow your own advice and drop out of academia.
"the only way out is more education"
Yes, but not the type you're thinking of.
"Get your "computer" to print out every single number between 0 and a googleplex. A UTM can do that. No computer can."
Sure there is the whole "not enough atoms in the Universe thing" but it is postulated that a 7 state "busy beaver" program could generate a googolplex.
A float can handle approximately 4 000 000 000 values
The most popular floating point representations can handle 12-18 significant digits.
I have no idea why you were modded as a troll maybe they were aiming for the OP and missed? Anyway the key word in my comment was "implementation".
What you and the OP are saying is that an abacus cannot count to inifinity. Not surprising given the nature of infinity but a red-herring when it comes to implementing a UTM.
The point is that the OP has misrepresented what Turing's UTM and computer science is all about. A UTM can compute anything that is computable, the set of things that are computable is infinite. UTM is a mathematical model of computation, how (or if) you store the result of the computation is irelevant.
"Oh dear, my pet peeve again, self-annointed Computer Experts propounding about Turing's theories, while displaying an utter lack of comprehension of what Turing actually said."
It is called "Universal" because it can compute anything that is computable not because it can list everything that is computable.
"there are only a finite number of steps a program can run unless we're prepared to let the program run forever"
You also seem to have missed the point of Turing's halting problem.
"analogous to what I have argued above"
That wasn't an argument, it was a pedantic troll that mis-represents both Turing's work and computer science in general.
BTW: Who "annoited" you?
"So why the fuck is this racist shit not deleted? Clearly there are only WASPS running this increasingly shitty site."
Because a racist post complaing about a racist post is just too funny.
"If you want an infinite number of possible trees then create an implementation for a universal Turing machine."
Such an implementation has already been created, we computer scientists call it "the computer". Now, no matter how powerful we make our "computer", no matter how (or if) we implement floating point it makes no difference to the number of possible trees a computer can generate.
Not sure if the post was a troll or an attempt at humour - but the insighful mod makes me sad.
"In English, please?"
It's all explained near the bottom of TFA - "We expected something unexpected, but we did not expect this," says Skinner.
"It would be a line at the reverse angle to the hypothetical centre of the big bang."
We are at "hypothetical centre of the big bang", as is everything else.
"you have a better chance of seeing Hillary Clinton swear off dissembling than you do of getting a straight answer anywhere around the global warming debate"
IANAClimatoligist, but ummm....what was the question again?
I think the "huge tanks of water" you are thinking of are for nutrino detection and these are below ground level. I have no idea why you emphasised "at ground level"?
Ummm, you do realise that we don't have a president and we don't directly elect the PM?
By definition an independent can only stand for a single seat in parliment or the senate, running for more than one seat requires more than one candidate and therefore is by definition a party.
The only way an independent can become PM is > 50% of parliment voting him into the job. For the last 10yrs the PM was the choice of TWO parties who formed a coalition government (Liberal and National partys), the recent election gave government to a single party (Labor).
Independents hand out HTV cards the same as everyone else, it would be pointless for an independent to have the "infrastructure" to hand out HTV cards in all the electorates where they are not running.
If an independent can't rally a few locals to hand out cards once every few years it just means that nobody is interested. If they can't get people to support their cause then what the hell are they doing in politics?