I always did love the democratic republic or representative democracy angle. It's a great way of trying to dupe people into thinking the nation is ruled by people.
Of course the reality is that people have little to no power in the current United States therefore it isn't a democracy at all, direct or otherwise.
You seem to miss the point. As a kid, regardless of what joy I find in learning, if I'm bright I'll intentionally fail to perform until the cash comes in. Then I'll continue to find said joy in learning AND have money.
External and Internal motivators are not mutually exclusive. In fact, I would counter that external motivators will help on a number of levels. First it gives those who enjoy learning an 'excuse' that others can understand.
Second, many may discover that once they begin learning (on the basis of the external motivator) that they enjoy learning where without the external motivator they may never have applied themselves enough to begin with.
Third, and frankly not last, is the fact that adult humans spend five days a week performing a task for external motivation. That is a habit we need to encourage as much as learning on a societal level.
Finding an internal love of learning and advancing oneself is great on a personal individual level, but on a societal level it is more important that everyone does their share of the labor. An ignorant society can still prosper, a lazy one cannot.
That would be great if true but the reality is that steel plates are added because Kevlar only prevents penetration of low cal projectiles. If you add the plates (which aren't always steel) you can increase the rating to include some armor piercing shells and higher cal ammo.
Has anyone considered the possibility they were boycotting Google after they caved to gov censorship in China and now support them again now that they have moved out?
"Anyway, if you want to know how popular a particular language/technology is, the simplest - and much more accurate! - way of doing so is to check any popular job search web site."
No that is a good way to determine what languages are more popular in business or are more likely to land you a job.
How many people are discussing a language (good or bad) is a pretty reasonable indicator of total popularity.
All fair points. But we were discussing performance not devel time or ease of use. You may include those when you refer to performance but I use performance to mean raw execution time and in some cases memory usage.
Now if you are saying Java increases YOUR performance, that is certainly possible.
I don't know about your personal performance or coding skills. I do know that well written java can perform well enough to suffice for most tasks. I also know that the majority of Java I have seen used, including use in major widely used projects is both slow and memory hungry.
"And I say that as someone who only stopped coding the most performance critical parts of a project in C a couple of years ago, when carefully crafted C code for one project was outperformed by a colleagues Java version."
I don't think I would be saying that out loud. That speaks of your lack of skill at tuning C code not Java performance. There are a few textbook scenarios where this can happen with properly written code but it is rare enough that the first thing a Java fan does is publish a paper on the subject.
I was with you up to the camel casing. Camel case is a fad I could have done without, not only is walkFaster less clear than walk_faster, it is also more error prone to type.
"Does digital [intellectual] property rights make that easier to understand?"
There is still no such thing. No matter how many times you rename it intellectual and property don't mix.
"You also failed to address the problems with your infringement fine overhaul. It either seems you spent two minutes thinking about it, or you are naive enough to assume an assorted list of digital content types with associated infringement penalties would ever make it into copyright law."
There were no problems with the fine overhaul and therefore nothing to address. Assessing value is easy, if the material in question is a not yet released album you simply look to the average value of similar albums that have been released. Judges do this in civil cases on a daily basis. You chop up the table I built for firewood and I sue you, the judge must assess a value and that is going to be typical value plus (if the judge sees fit) a little for the time I invested in piece.
There is no need for any hard coded penalties or media types. The judge assesses damages, just the same as any other civil suit. Watch Judge Judy sometime and you can see how it works. Setting some sort of predetermined fine might even give the media companies the idea that it is okay to routinely bring suit against the masses as a revenue stream.
"You think people aren't influenced by the "$150,000 fine for copyright infringement" notice at the start of DVD/Bluray movies? You can't even find someone in the real world who has downloaded movies, unlike music (some because it is more complicated)."
So now we aren't talking about music anymore? ok. Well no, I've never met anyone influenced by message. Not that I care, I see no valid justification for people to pay penalties out of proportion to the damage just so content creation can theoretically be a more fruitful business method. What next, mandatory $200 million dollar fines for breach of contract?
Additionally, as you said yourself '(some because it is more complicated)' which is not at all the same as fearing penalties. That notice was there in the VHS days as well and there was certainly no small portion of the population with two VCRs. The number dropped significantly when coding schemes were introduced but that only proves the point. The only reason people don't copy movies is the time required and/or lack of knowledge. Nobody actually respects the copyright claim or the penalties. I've never known someone who had the time, materials, and know how who didn't copy rentals for instance.
"And if you didn't have access to illegal downloads? Guess what - you'd have to either pay for SOME of it or do entirely without."
Yeah and your point? Downloaders pay for SOME of their content now. It is perfectly feasible that the portion downloaded is the portion they would do without otherwise.
Regardless, you ignored the bigger point that an increase in sales to downloaders doesn't automatically equate to an increase in NET revenue.
"Part of a copyrighted work is "something of value" if the entire work is something of value"
That is an interesting opinion. I have no doubt that 0010 appears as a piece of many copyrighted works. You have just downloaded that in order to receive the rest of my comment (also a copyrighted work).
I'm sorry but I can no longer continue examining the rest of your assertions because we have established that you are a criminal under this law and criminals have no credibility.
Each time a citizen violates a law they are voting. Each time someone downloads a movie from a torrent they are giving their real opinion on filesharing.
Back in the days of Napster it was estimated that over 20 million Americans downloaded music. There is little doubt the number of filesharers have only increased since then.
"Your entire response is thinly veiled justification, albeit in terms of attempting to marginalize those who would speak up for their rights. It's both laughable and sad, and honestly not worth wasting the time to compose a full reply to."
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I always did love the democratic republic or representative democracy angle. It's a great way of trying to dupe people into thinking the nation is ruled by people.
Of course the reality is that people have little to no power in the current United States therefore it isn't a democracy at all, direct or otherwise.
Chef's and high end cooks are generally expected to bring their own knives. I'm fairly sure that is the case in Europe as well.
This is pretty common of mechanics as well. Often the set of tools they carry acts as a sort of resume.
You read the conversation backwards. I was saying AD&D (low is good) is good, I was replying to a high should be good post.
You seem to miss the point. As a kid, regardless of what joy I find in learning, if I'm bright I'll intentionally fail to perform until the cash comes in. Then I'll continue to find said joy in learning AND have money.
External and Internal motivators are not mutually exclusive. In fact, I would counter that external motivators will help on a number of levels. First it gives those who enjoy learning an 'excuse' that others can understand.
Second, many may discover that once they begin learning (on the basis of the external motivator) that they enjoy learning where without the external motivator they may never have applied themselves enough to begin with.
Third, and frankly not last, is the fact that adult humans spend five days a week performing a task for external motivation. That is a habit we need to encourage as much as learning on a societal level.
Finding an internal love of learning and advancing oneself is great on a personal individual level, but on a societal level it is more important that everyone does their share of the labor. An ignorant society can still prosper, a lazy one cannot.
Didn't Google buy On2? Why aren't we seeing open VP7 and VP8?
Actually I think that is an indication that WMP is useless. Even if it isn't, WMP still remains useless. Use VLC.
That would be great if true but the reality is that steel plates are added because Kevlar only prevents penetration of low cal projectiles. If you add the plates (which aren't always steel) you can increase the rating to include some armor piercing shells and higher cal ammo.
Sounds like the lame arse puny D&D as opposed to the uber AD&D
"but how popular it in fact is for doing anything useful?"
That would be a different question wouldn't it? How many people are discussing it on the other hand, is a direct metric of popularity.
"Languages that are more popular in business is really the only definition that matters."
I'm sure that is the consensus... in business.
"If it is advantageous to use the language, then businesses will use it."
Where do you get that nonsense? Next you'll try to hand me some nonsense about the free market keeping prices down.
"These ranking have been under-representing Java, VB/VBA, and Python for years."
Amazing you defeat your argument with your example. Python isn't even on the radar in the business world.
Why would you assume that? Provided you are using compatible hardware Linux is probably the most user friendly desktop OS available.
Has anyone considered the possibility they were boycotting Google after they caved to gov censorship in China and now support them again now that they have moved out?
"Anyway, if you want to know how popular a particular language/technology is, the simplest - and much more accurate! - way of doing so is to check any popular job search web site."
No that is a good way to determine what languages are more popular in business or are more likely to land you a job.
How many people are discussing a language (good or bad) is a pretty reasonable indicator of total popularity.
All fair points. But we were discussing performance not devel time or ease of use. You may include those when you refer to performance but I use performance to mean raw execution time and in some cases memory usage.
Now if you are saying Java increases YOUR performance, that is certainly possible.
I don't know about your personal performance or coding skills. I do know that well written java can perform well enough to suffice for most tasks. I also know that the majority of Java I have seen used, including use in major widely used projects is both slow and memory hungry.
"And I say that as someone who only stopped coding the most performance critical parts of a project in C a couple of years ago, when carefully crafted C code for one project was outperformed by a colleagues Java version."
I don't think I would be saying that out loud. That speaks of your lack of skill at tuning C code not Java performance. There are a few textbook scenarios where this can happen with properly written code but it is rare enough that the first thing a Java fan does is publish a paper on the subject.
The link is broken, how did this pass editing?
"but performance and tooling are excellent"
Did you really just claim that java performance is excellent?
I was with you up to the camel casing. Camel case is a fad I could have done without, not only is walkFaster less clear than walk_faster, it is also more error prone to type.
"Does digital [intellectual] property rights make that easier to understand?"
There is still no such thing. No matter how many times you rename it intellectual and property don't mix.
"You also failed to address the problems with your infringement fine overhaul. It either seems you spent two minutes thinking about it, or you are naive enough to assume an assorted list of digital content types with associated infringement penalties would ever make it into copyright law."
There were no problems with the fine overhaul and therefore nothing to address. Assessing value is easy, if the material in question is a not yet released album you simply look to the average value of similar albums that have been released. Judges do this in civil cases on a daily basis. You chop up the table I built for firewood and I sue you, the judge must assess a value and that is going to be typical value plus (if the judge sees fit) a little for the time I invested in piece.
There is no need for any hard coded penalties or media types. The judge assesses damages, just the same as any other civil suit. Watch Judge Judy sometime and you can see how it works. Setting some sort of predetermined fine might even give the media companies the idea that it is okay to routinely bring suit against the masses as a revenue stream.
"You think people aren't influenced by the "$150,000 fine for copyright infringement" notice at the start of DVD/Bluray movies? You can't even find someone in the real world who has downloaded movies, unlike music (some because it is more complicated)."
So now we aren't talking about music anymore? ok. Well no, I've never met anyone influenced by message. Not that I care, I see no valid justification for people to pay penalties out of proportion to the damage just so content creation can theoretically be a more fruitful business method. What next, mandatory $200 million dollar fines for breach of contract?
Additionally, as you said yourself '(some because it is more complicated)' which is not at all the same as fearing penalties. That notice was there in the VHS days as well and there was certainly no small portion of the population with two VCRs. The number dropped significantly when coding schemes were introduced but that only proves the point. The only reason people don't copy movies is the time required and/or lack of knowledge. Nobody actually respects the copyright claim or the penalties. I've never known someone who had the time, materials, and know how who didn't copy rentals for instance.
"And if you didn't have access to illegal downloads? Guess what - you'd have to either pay for SOME of it or do entirely without."
Yeah and your point? Downloaders pay for SOME of their content now. It is perfectly feasible that the portion downloaded is the portion they would do without otherwise.
Regardless, you ignored the bigger point that an increase in sales to downloaders doesn't automatically equate to an increase in NET revenue.
"Part of a copyrighted work is "something of value" if the entire work is something of value"
That is an interesting opinion. I have no doubt that 0010 appears as a piece of many copyrighted works. You have just downloaded that in order to receive the rest of my comment (also a copyrighted work).
I'm sorry but I can no longer continue examining the rest of your assertions because we have established that you are a criminal under this law and criminals have no credibility.
"Real damages over punishment is a fine concept, but would not bode well for digital property rights."
I'm pretty sure there is no such thing.
"Copyright infringement would explode over night, because literally everyone can do it -- and would no longer think twice about doing it."
Where have you been? It already exploded, everybody already does it, and nobody thinks twice about it. At least non-commercial infringment.
"When did these votes take place?"
Each time a citizen violates a law they are voting. Each time someone downloads a movie from a torrent they are giving their real opinion on filesharing.
Back in the days of Napster it was estimated that over 20 million Americans downloaded music. There is little doubt the number of filesharers have only increased since then.
'"stealing" is the act of depriving someone of the economic value of a thing'
bzzzt wrong. Stealing is the act of taking property not value.
"Your entire response is thinly veiled justification, albeit in terms of attempting to marginalize those who would speak up for their rights. It's both laughable and sad, and honestly not worth wasting the time to compose a full reply to."
In other words... you got nothin' ?