Pay attention junior. When OpenStep was released in it's first PRODUCTION version, having evolved from several years of NeXTStep development, Qt was just a gleam in the eye of Trolltech, who was just incorporating with a vision of building something like this.
not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but i would bet money that the music coming off wal-mart's download service is censored... at least i know that is what they do with the CDs they sell... i went to a college in a small town in missouri and wal-mart was often the only place to get music, but i had several friends who bought albums there that were completely beeped out...
- just a warning to be careful before buying whole albums from them, or lots of music, you might want to download something with a lot of swearing and make sure it has not been censored.
actually ipod lounge says just the opposite for lithium-ion, and says they have no memory and that they should generally never be fully discharged...
According to about 5 minutes of googling this is correct, one of the benefits of lithium ion battery is that it has no memory...
check... http://www.cellpower.com/battery_tips. cfm... and... http://wireless.berkeley.edu/services/battery .shtm l
However... if you're machine has done a lot of charging and discharging, then the battery is just dead... afterall even rechargables don't last forever.
i don't think people mind making choices, when they know what they are choosing... in the morning i like my coffee... i get it with a choice of milk or no milk and a choice of sugar or no sugar... it is an easy choice because there are 4 possible out comes, i've drank them all and i know what i like... (no milk, no sugar for me)...
the core problem with the new user coming to linux as a desktop machine, is that you are asking them to choose between one unfamiliar environment and another... and if they are not very technically saavy, there is usually not an easy way to try each out and decide later...
i believe it was a microsoft version of UNIX developed to be AT&T system V compatible... (it ran on PC's but definitely was not Linux (as another poster noted))
I could be wrong but I believe this pre-dated any form of Linux... at least I heard about it as a stable product before I started using Linux (and I started using Slackware with the 1.0 kernel set)
... is that this distribution is based mostly on debian... and while i am sure the guys at libra do work very hard, the guys at debian laid all the base work... and all they ask for is help, and donations of hardware or money if you've got any to help out...
... i feel differently donating then having to pay for something i know someone who is not getting paid did most of the ground work for.
If debian is difficult to use/install (I don't know, I'm a computer guy, so the fact that I think it is easy to use doesn't count)... why not just help the debian developers add on to that distro?
When I first started playing with Linux (6 or 7 years ago... I can't remember) This was the way I installed it. Slackware (at that time) had this as a way of installing.
Why is it that this company feels the need to drudge up old technology and publish it as though it was new technology?
(and why does there web page have a.net extension... and why does the.com address indicate there is no web page here? And why are they claiming on their web page to have a Mac driver, as if it is the only way to read a Mac disk from linux, and Why are they claiming ADSL etc. as something that only their LinuxOne OS does?)
What and use an operating system that isn't supported by a large corporate entity! Are you crazy!!
But seriously... yes perhaps RedHat is feeling threatened by Debian's place in the linux world.
As in it is completely free, and while it is not quite as friendly to set up and use (or at least I am told, I personally have never had any trouble with it... I love it...), it is the most complete distribution, and everything in the distribution is free (as in freedom....) but the contrib (meaning still free but not necessarily as in freedom) and non-free (as in free in the ambiguously frightening commercial way).
Seriously... as if Slashdot was a hacking site... the only hackers that hang out here are the type the right code and work to secure there own machine... there is not a scrap of information here that I know of that would help a script kiddie anyway...
As some one who started out using the ultra-user-friendly slackware distro and moved straight to debian, I find myself wondering what makes mandrake rock... from looking at screen shots it looks... hold me back... EXACTLY like RedHat... so I find myself asking the question, if it looks like redhat, is 99% compatible with redhat... isn't it just redhat... what is the difference for those of us uniformed (Incidently I wouldn't have to ask this question, if I could have easily found it on the web page, hint hint hint.)
Other then the modem problem the system seems to work pretty well... I installed debian on it (I too am not a redhat guy) and it worked great (except you do need to use the tecra install disk...)
it seems like a nice laptop to me, but then I didn't pay for mine:)
Okay... in the interest of answering the question, Why is X bad? (rather then the question, why are the WMs on X bad, or which WM is my favorite, or you suck, because you use a WM that suX...) Here are some of the problems with X itself (which goes with being bad.. note some is technical, and some is opinion.. I'll let you decide what;)
I find the stacks and stacks of libraries clumsy... not nearly as clean as they should be IMHO.. on the gnome road... gnome sits on gtk+ sits on Xlib.. on the straight X road Motif or Athena sits on Xt sits on Xlib... etc. for all the other libraries... if it wasn't so painful to work in the core API, we would not need all these things.
Along with being old, comes supporting old versions of the API.. while I under stand the need for this, some of the old API (which was all run through sockets) is really kludgy and takes away from the speed
Mmm.. shared memory... shared memory (now that it exists in UNIX (at least in all of the unixes I have used: Solaris, Irix, Linux, and I am pretty sure FreeBSD, OpenBSD, prob. NetBSD, maybe AIX) all have support for shared memory which is a much faster interface then older unix ipc interfaces like pipes...
another thing sort of messed up with X is the way it manages colors, which (again IMHO) it has never done well, since it works completely different in different modes on different hardware, except using the Xlib API, which (as I have mentioned) is slow and clumsy.
I should add that I am no expert on X. Most of this stuff is stuff that I have picked up from people who know a hell of a lot more then I do (like my friend that has a ray-tracer that runs on massively parallel machines, and can get better then 10 frames a second (last time I checked) on an array of 16 ultra10s)... The experts on the problems with X11 in the free ware community would probably be the guys who wrote XFree... my.5 cents (man inflation sux) -andy:)
Okay... in the interest of answering the question, Why is X bad? (rather then the question, why are the WMs on X bad, or which WM is my favorite, or you suck, because you use a WM that suX...)
Here are some of the problems with X itself (which goes with being bad.. note some is technical, and some is opinion.. I'll let you decide what;)
I find the stacks and stacks of libraries clumsy... not nearly as clean as they should be IMHO.. on the gnome road... gnome sits on gtk+ sits on Xlib.. on the straight X road Motif or Athena sits on Xt sits on Xlib... etc. for all the other libraries... if it wasn't so painful to work in the core API, we would not need all these things.
Along with being old, comes supporting old versions of the API.. while I under stand the need for this, some of the old API (which was all run through sockets) is really kludgy and takes away from the speed
Mmm.. shared memory... shared memory (now that it exists in UNIX (at least in all of the unixes I have used: Solaris, Irix, Linux, and I am pretty sure FreeBSD, OpenBSD, prob. NetBSD, maybe AIX) all have support for shared memory which is a much faster interface then older unix ipc interfaces like pipes...
another thing sort of messed up with X is the way it manages colors, which (again IMHO) it has never done well, since it works completely different in different modes on different hardware, except using the Xlib API, which (as I have mentioned) is slow and clumsy.
I should add that I am no expert on X. Most of this stuff is stuff that I have picked up from people who know a hell of a lot more then I do (like my friend that has a ray-tracer that runs on massively parallel machines, and can get better then 10 frames a second (last time I checked) on an array of 16 ultra10s)... The experts on the problems with X11 in the free ware community would probably be the guys who wrote XFree...
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Pay attention junior. When OpenStep was released in it's first PRODUCTION version, having evolved from several years of NeXTStep development, Qt was just a gleam in the eye of Trolltech, who was just incorporating with a vision of building something like this.
Way to go robmen!
not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but i would bet money that the music coming off wal-mart's download service is censored... at least i know that is what they do with the CDs they sell... i went to a college in a small town in missouri and wal-mart was often the only place to get music, but i had several friends who bought albums there that were completely beeped out...
- just a warning to be careful before buying whole albums from them, or lots of music, you might want to download something with a lot of swearing and make sure it has not been censored.
actually ipod lounge says just the opposite for lithium-ion, and says they have no memory and that they should generally never be fully discharged...
. cfm ... and ...y .shtm l
According to about 5 minutes of googling this is correct, one of the benefits of lithium ion battery is that it has no memory...
check...
http://www.cellpower.com/battery_tips
http://wireless.berkeley.edu/services/batter
However... if you're machine has done a lot of charging and discharging, then the battery is just dead... afterall even rechargables don't last forever.
i don't think people mind making choices, when they know what they are choosing... in the morning i like my coffee... i get it with a choice of milk or no milk and a choice of sugar or no sugar... it is an easy choice because there are 4 possible out comes, i've drank them all and i know what i like... (no milk, no sugar for me)...
the core problem with the new user coming to linux as a desktop machine, is that you are asking them to choose between one unfamiliar environment and another... and if they are not very technically saavy, there is usually not an easy way to try each out and decide later...
just my 2 cents.
i believe it was a microsoft version of UNIX developed to be AT&T system V compatible... (it ran on PC's but definitely was not Linux (as another poster noted))
I could be wrong but I believe this pre-dated any form of Linux... at least I heard about it as a stable product before I started using Linux (and I started using Slackware with the 1.0 kernel set)
there was also a grey scale raytracer written in postscript that would trace and render completely in the printer... took a while though.
Amusingly all of the COE 'platform compliance' documents are in microsoft word format, including the posix based and linux based drafts...
... is that this distribution is based mostly on debian... and while i am sure the guys at libra do work very hard, the guys at debian laid all the base work... and all they ask for is help, and donations of hardware or money if you've got any to help out...
... i feel differently donating then having to pay for something i know someone who is not getting paid did most of the ground work for.
If debian is difficult to use/install (I don't know, I'm a computer guy, so the fact that I think it is easy to use doesn't count)... why not just help the debian developers add on to that distro?
When I first started playing with Linux (6 or 7 years ago... I can't remember) This was the way I installed it. Slackware (at that time) had this as a way of installing.
.net extension... and why does the .com address indicate there is no web page here? And why are they claiming on their web page to have a Mac driver, as if it is the only way to read a Mac disk from linux, and Why are they claiming ADSL etc. as something that only their LinuxOne OS does?)
Why is it that this company feels the need to drudge up old technology and publish it as though it was new technology?
(and why does there web page have a
Buyer Beware.
UMSDOS is older then VFAT, it was designed when DOS5.0/Win3.1 were the standard config...
What and use an operating system that isn't supported by a large corporate entity! Are you crazy!!
But seriously... yes perhaps RedHat is feeling threatened by Debian's place in the linux world.
As in it is completely free, and while it is not quite as friendly to set up and use (or at least I am told, I personally have never had any trouble with it... I love it...), it is the most complete distribution, and everything in the distribution is free (as in freedom....) but the contrib (meaning still free but not necessarily as in freedom) and non-free (as in free in the ambiguously frightening commercial way).
Seriously... as if Slashdot was a hacking site... the only hackers that hang out here are the type the right code and work to secure there own machine... there is not a scrap of information here that I know of that would help a script kiddie anyway...
As some one who started out using the ultra-user-friendly slackware distro and moved straight to debian, I find myself wondering what makes mandrake rock... from looking at screen shots it looks... hold me back... EXACTLY like RedHat... so I find myself asking the question, if it looks like redhat, is 99% compatible with redhat... isn't it just redhat... what is the difference for those of us uniformed (Incidently I wouldn't have to ask this question, if I could have easily found it on the web page, hint hint hint.)
Other then the modem problem the system seems to work pretty well... I installed debian on it (I too am not a redhat guy) and it worked great (except you do need to use the tecra install disk...)
:)
it seems like a nice laptop to me, but then I didn't pay for mine
- I find the stacks and stacks of libraries clumsy... not nearly as clean as they should be IMHO.. on the gnome road... gnome sits on gtk+ sits on Xlib.. on the straight X road Motif or Athena sits on Xt sits on Xlib... etc. for all the other libraries... if it wasn't so painful to work in the core API, we would not need all these things.
- Along with being old, comes supporting old versions of the API.. while I under stand the need for this, some of the old API (which was all run through sockets) is really kludgy and takes away from the speed
- Mmm.. shared memory... shared memory (now that it exists in UNIX (at least in all of the unixes I have used: Solaris, Irix, Linux, and I am pretty sure FreeBSD, OpenBSD, prob. NetBSD, maybe AIX) all have support for shared memory which is a much faster interface then older unix ipc interfaces like pipes...
- another thing sort of messed up with X is the way it manages colors, which (again IMHO) it has never done well, since it works completely different in different modes on different hardware, except using the Xlib API, which (as I have mentioned) is slow and clumsy.
I should add that I am no expert on X. Most of this stuff is stuff that I have picked up from people who know a hell of a lot more then I do (like my friend that has a ray-tracer that runs on massively parallel machines, and can get better then 10 frames a second (last time I checked) on an array of 16 ultra10s)... The experts on the problems with X11 in the free ware community would probably be the guys who wrote XFree... myHere are some of the problems with X itself (which goes with being bad.. note some is technical, and some is opinion.. I'll let you decide what
I should add that I am no expert on X. Most of this stuff is stuff that I have picked up from people who know a hell of a lot more then I do (like my friend that has a ray-tracer that runs on massively parallel machines, and can get better then 10 frames a second (last time I checked) on an array of 16 ultra10s)... The experts on the problems with X11 in the free ware community would probably be the guys who wrote XFree...
my
-andy:)