I'm reading an awful lot of comments here debating whether or not anti SPAM lists should exist, but what does this have to do with Verio being blacklisted?
My understanding of this whole situation is this: Verio allows their costumers to participate in SPAM related activities, and so a very large blacklist has banned them completely. Verio does not fund these organizations, they simply provide access to a very popular TCP/IP network ("the internet").
Now, I'm all for blocking spammers. But seriously - Verio is a service provider, I don't see how it is their responsibility to tell their clients what data can and can't be transfered through thier infrastructure. Infact, it comes very close to what I consider the invation of privacy.
If I use my ameritech phone to call Billy the hitman, and ask him to kill my cheating wife suzy - is that ameritech's fault?
Spamming is a problem, I agree. Something needs to be done, I agree. But leave the service providers out of this --- I believe in free speach, i'm not going to blacklist anybody for not sensoring material that they didn't write. Quote it word for word. I want to hear it from the source. and if I don't like what I hear, I'll take it up with the source.
I'm having a hard time following what's being argued here. Windows 2000 is an OS - they don't claim that it comes with a firewall. I don't see how you can judge a software product based off the statement "They are not doing what they never said they would do". So Linux and various other operating systems come with a firewall; We're not arguing price, we're arguing security. Any security expert knows not to implement a Windows 2000 server that's not behind a firewall. Purchase the one you like best, or use one that's available at no cost. You get what you pay for, its up to you to take into consideration a solution's cost before deploying it.
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My understanding of this whole situation is this: Verio allows their costumers to participate in SPAM related activities, and so a very large blacklist has banned them completely. Verio does not fund these organizations, they simply provide access to a very popular TCP/IP network ("the internet").
Now, I'm all for blocking spammers. But seriously - Verio is a service provider, I don't see how it is their responsibility to tell their clients what data can and can't be transfered through thier infrastructure. Infact, it comes very close to what I consider the invation of privacy.
If I use my ameritech phone to call Billy the hitman, and ask him to kill my cheating wife suzy - is that ameritech's fault?
Spamming is a problem, I agree. Something needs to be done, I agree. But leave the service providers out of this --- I believe in free speach, i'm not going to blacklist anybody for not sensoring material that they didn't write. Quote it word for word. I want to hear it from the source. and if I don't like what I hear, I'll take it up with the source.
Don't shoot the messenger.
I'm having a hard time following what's being argued here. Windows 2000 is an OS - they don't claim that it comes with a firewall. I don't see how you can judge a software product based off the statement "They are not doing what they never said they would do". So Linux and various other operating systems come with a firewall; We're not arguing price, we're arguing security. Any security expert knows not to implement a Windows 2000 server that's not behind a firewall. Purchase the one you like best, or use one that's available at no cost. You get what you pay for, its up to you to take into consideration a solution's cost before deploying it.