Then they'd have to write their own client, and they don't want to do that.
Personally I find it very strange that they are more interested in stealing the EverQuest client as their front end and having an ongoing process of reverse engineering, than in writing their own system and having none of these hassles.
Ashran is either stupid or has dubious intentions.
See section 16 of the license agreement which states that the License Agreement is goverened by the Laws of the State of California.
Since this is quite explicit, I guess you'll be wanting to watch the progress of the DeCSS case.
This project still has my mistrust. If they really had the high moral objectives of providing a FREE online game that was truly superior to everquest, they would build their own - not re-use Verant's propreitory protocol (which EternalQuest does), and their sucky front end.
It would be a lot easier to get a community of developers to work on such a project because the legal standing would be so much clearer.
Writing a server which supports someone elses client and protocol is a significantly larger body of work than writing your own client AND server.
Lastly - what is Ashran going to do to stop people using tools like ShowEQ to cheat at playing on his servers? Is there going to be any value to end players in playing on them? Or will playing on them be open to l4m3rz and d00dz as thus not investing any serious time in?
They are spoofing the server, not the client. IMHO these guys should stop at this point, gather together a development team of like-minded people, and write their own client and server and protocol.
And all of that aside... They have agreed to the following:
16. This Agreement is governed in all respects by the laws of the State of California as such laws are applied to agreements entered into and to be performed entirely within California between California residents. The UN Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods is expressly disclaimed. Both parties submit to personal jurisdiction in California and further agree that any cause of action relating to this Agreement shall be brought in a court in San Mateo County, California. If any provision of this Agreement is held to be invalid or unenforceable, such provision shall be struck and the remaining provisions shall be enforced. Our failure to act with respect to a breach by you or others does not waive our right to act with respect to subsequent or similar breaches. You may not assign or transfer this Agreement or your rights hereunder, and any attempt to the contrary is void. This Agreement sets forth the entire understanding and agreement between us and you with respect to the subject matter hereof. Except as provided above, this Agreement may not be amended except in a writing signed by both parties.
The "Server Emulator" (although that's a poor choice of name) doesn't change the front end. Remember; this is a bunch of guys who are too lazy to write their own MMRPOG and are instead simply re-using the EQ engine and protocols for some bizzare reason.
And to anyone who is about to step in to say 'You don't know how much work that would involve!', well, actually yes I do, and I point out that Verant have already done that.
Couldn't agree more. Atleast Emmet didn't say, "but Linux has an equal, if not larger, following of "OS Hooligans" who will attack anyone and anything that doesn't say "Praise Linux" with the same fervour last seen in the Crusades and the Inquisition.
The simple fact is that Linux/doesn't/ encourage environment stability that is/required/ in a large scale business computing environment, much as we techies refuse to believe it.
The answer isn't to stone the people that dare to say it and go into denial (that's an IBM behaviour), but to say, OK - how do we address this issue.
Might I suggest that a system for "locking down" a Linux installation might be the trick. To enable a site to force any system changes to/go/ through due process.
This could be as simple as providing extra functionality in the makefiles that ties in with some file or system setting, perhaps/etc/lockdown.
You're scaring me a little here guys. This is going to be a cold shower for some of you.
This is NOT a competition against Microsoft. Don't use Linux as your private banner for campaign against Microsoft - or any other competitor. Those of you who do are working directly against Linux. I refer you to the crusades, the spanish inquisition. Both done in the name of Christianity. Both waged against an enemy that any convert could see was evil.
Microsoft is big enough that if the Linux following tries to make sure Microsoft can never out do Linux *by observing* Microsoft at the microscopic level, then Linux will turn into a Windows parasite.
I would suggest that Netscape's biggest undoing came not from Microsoft, but from Netscape. They got too obsessed with 'beating down Microsoft', and less and less focused on 'making a better Netscape'.
By Netscape 4.5, Microsoft didn't really have much to compete with.
I realise people are going to jump up here and tell me how the court case helped thus and something else did that.
But do we have a great web-browser? No.
Microsoft play a game, a competition. Linux has no need to enter the bullring. Remember what makes Linux what it is is people developing Linux for users, developing Linux for sys admins, developing Linux for deployment. Don't turn this into Linux development for comparison charts.
I would imagine that several thousand of us own our own domains.
How about all of the domain holders amongst us send an email as follows:
To: hostmaster@internic.net Subject: NOT INTERESTED IN BUSINESS
As a resgistered domain contact for , I would like to notify you, and Mr Jonathan Emery, that I have no desire to conduct a business relationship with NSI. At the first opportunity I will be seeking to conduct my business with an alternative vendor. I have not CHOSEN to be an NSI customer, I simply wish to have a domain.
As a result of this notification, any future emails or postal mails sent to me by NSI, not relating to the function, administration, status or billing of my domain, are demonstrably unsollicited.
Spread the word (and the email) to anyone else you know to be a domain name owner.
Your box dies, disk is dead, CPU melted, it's extinct. Fortunately, every precious instruction and byte of data is stored safely on a dat tape. You methodically rebuild something in the image of your box, and by injecting your dat drive, you can hardly tell the difference (except the cpu is now 10mhz faster, and you replaced the irksome ide drive with a scsi one). When you power on, it's an old friend.
Unfortunately, a living animal is more than just the sum of it's DNA, and a community of animals is much more so.
Since they don't have parents to teach them Huia behavioural patterns (diet, feeding habbits, migratorial patterns, nesting places, etc), they won't behave like Huia, except as much as humans have a record of them.
The net result is that they won't *be* Huia birds for very long. It is also very likely that being re-introduced this way will force their genetic line to drift towards a different niche. Instead they'll be "Huia bird 2000".
I think the other point about the degradation of DNA over generations within an organism has already been made.
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This is a rather important question.
Verant regularly update the Client, and quite often the client/server protocol changes.
So which version will EthernalQuest use?
Is it going to free at using a particular version of the client? Or are they going to leech patches from Verant? Or are they going to hack the client?
Once again - reverse engineering the server and writing a compatible server is a far more considerable job than writing your own client and server.
Is Ashran just stupid or is this masochism malicious?
Oliver
Then they'd have to write their own client, and they don't want to do that.
Personally I find it very strange that they are more interested in stealing the EverQuest client as their front end and having an ongoing process of reverse engineering, than in writing their own system and having none of these hassles.
Ashran is either stupid or has dubious intentions.
Oliver
Then write your own client.
Oliver
See section 16 of the license agreement which states that the License Agreement is goverened by the Laws of the State of California.
Since this is quite explicit, I guess you'll be wanting to watch the progress of the DeCSS case.
This project still has my mistrust. If they really had the high moral objectives of providing a FREE online game that was truly superior to everquest, they would build their own - not re-use Verant's propreitory protocol (which EternalQuest does), and their sucky front end.
It would be a lot easier to get a community of developers to work on such a project because the legal standing would be so much clearer.
Writing a server which supports someone elses client and protocol is a significantly larger body of work than writing your own client AND server.
Lastly - what is Ashran going to do to stop people using tools like ShowEQ to cheat at playing on his servers? Is there going to be any value to end players in playing on them? Or will playing on them be open to l4m3rz and d00dz as thus not investing any serious time in?
Oliver
They are spoofing the server, not the client. IMHO these guys should stop at this point, gather together a development team of like-minded people, and write their own client and server and protocol.
And all of that aside... They have agreed to the following:
16. This Agreement is governed in all respects by the laws of the State of California as such laws are applied to agreements entered into and to be performed entirely within California between California residents. The UN Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods is expressly disclaimed. Both parties submit to personal jurisdiction in California and further agree that any cause of action relating to this Agreement shall be brought in a court in San Mateo County, California. If any provision of this Agreement is held to be invalid or unenforceable, such provision shall be struck and the remaining provisions shall be enforced. Our failure to act with respect to a breach by you or others does not waive our right to act with respect to subsequent or similar breaches. You may not assign or transfer this Agreement or your rights hereunder, and any attempt to the contrary is void. This Agreement sets forth the entire understanding and agreement between us and you with respect to the subject matter hereof. Except as provided above, this Agreement may not be amended except in a writing signed by both parties.
Oliver
The "Server Emulator" (although that's a poor choice of name) doesn't change the front end. Remember; this is a bunch of guys who are too lazy to write their own MMRPOG and are instead simply re-using the EQ engine and protocols for some bizzare reason.
And to anyone who is about to step in to say 'You don't know how much work that would involve!', well, actually yes I do, and I point out that Verant have already done that.
Couldn't agree more. Atleast Emmet didn't say, "but Linux has an equal, if not larger, following of "OS Hooligans" who will attack anyone and anything that doesn't say "Praise Linux" with the same fervour last seen in the Crusades and the Inquisition.
/doesn't/ encourage environment stability that is /required/ in a large scale business computing environment, much as we techies refuse to believe it.
/go/ through due process.
/etc/lockdown.
The simple fact is that Linux
The answer isn't to stone the people that dare to say it and go into denial (that's an IBM behaviour), but to say, OK - how do we address this issue.
Might I suggest that a system for "locking down" a Linux installation might be the trick. To enable a site to force any system changes to
This could be as simple as providing extra functionality in the makefiles that ties in with some file or system setting, perhaps
Oliver
You're scaring me a little here guys. This is going to be a cold shower for some of you.
This is NOT a competition against Microsoft. Don't use Linux as your private banner for campaign against Microsoft - or any other competitor. Those of you who do are working directly against Linux. I refer you to the crusades, the spanish inquisition. Both done in the name of Christianity. Both waged against an enemy that any convert could see was evil.
Microsoft is big enough that if the Linux following tries to make sure Microsoft can never out do Linux *by observing* Microsoft at the microscopic level, then Linux will turn into a Windows parasite.
I would suggest that Netscape's biggest undoing came not from Microsoft, but from Netscape. They got too obsessed with 'beating down Microsoft', and less and less focused on 'making a better Netscape'.
By Netscape 4.5, Microsoft didn't really have much to compete with.
I realise people are going to jump up here and tell me how the court case helped thus and something else did that.
But do we have a great web-browser? No.
Microsoft play a game, a competition. Linux has no need to enter the bullring. Remember what makes Linux what it is is people developing Linux for users, developing Linux for sys admins, developing Linux for deployment. Don't turn this into Linux development for comparison charts.
Oliver
I would imagine that several thousand of us own our own domains.
How about all of the domain holders amongst us send an email as follows:
To: hostmaster@internic.net
Subject: NOT INTERESTED IN BUSINESS
As a resgistered domain contact for , I would like to notify you, and Mr Jonathan Emery, that I have no desire to conduct a business relationship with NSI. At the first opportunity I will be seeking to conduct my business with an alternative vendor. I have not CHOSEN to be an NSI customer, I simply wish to have a domain.
As a result of this notification, any future emails or postal mails sent to me by NSI, not relating to the function, administration, status or billing of my domain, are demonstrably unsollicited.
Spread the word (and the email) to anyone else you know to be a domain name owner.
Your box dies, disk is dead, CPU melted, it's extinct. Fortunately, every precious instruction and byte of data is stored safely on a dat tape. You methodically rebuild something in the image of your box, and by injecting your dat drive, you can hardly tell the difference (except the cpu is now 10mhz faster, and you replaced the irksome ide drive with a scsi one). When you power on, it's an old friend.
Unfortunately, a living animal is more than just the sum of it's DNA, and a community of animals is much more so.
Since they don't have parents to teach them Huia behavioural patterns (diet, feeding habbits, migratorial patterns, nesting places, etc), they won't behave like Huia, except as much as humans have a record of them.
The net result is that they won't *be* Huia birds for very long. It is also very likely that being re-introduced this way will force their genetic line to drift towards a different niche. Instead they'll be "Huia bird 2000".
I think the other point about the degradation of DNA over generations within an organism has already been made.
Oliver