Problem is, that a number of the AC are astroturfing, probably for other car makers, ot the kock Bros. You will note that the ACs on Tesla have really stepped up since kock Bros announced they were going after Tesla.
Nah. He has been around for some time, has a 6 figure ID, and is not posting as AC. As such, he is posting his personal opinion( though misinformed) and is almost certainly not astroturfing. There are plenty of AC posting here that are obviously astroturfing, but he is not.
No, this is known to be a level 3 autonomy and requires watching. We are required to sign off on that. And those Tesla drivers that are making heavy use say that it not only works great, but makes life easy on them.
You know, just thinking about it, you bring up an interesting point.
Right now, AP is actually semi-autonomous, and you have to have a certain speed to turn it on. In addition, you have to have hands on the wheel. So no, not a problem, AT THIS TIME.
BUT, the goal is level 4 autonomy. That means that get in (or put in a weight), and then order it to where you want to go, which could be as little as 1-2 miles away and it goes.
BUT, what stops them from loading explosives in the back (or even in that front seat weight)?
Nothing that I can think of.
good luck cracking Tesla. With some 100,000 Tesla on the road, only 6 have been stolen and in every case, it required that our fobs be stolen. And if you steal one, it is not worth that much on the black market. Only tesla does the parts and they do not buy stolen parts.
You need to be a bit careful on that. Many dealers are unscrupulous esp. with used cars. OTOH, Tesla backs not only their new cars, but their used cars.
Tesla Model 3 will be 35K and will be out next year. However, within 4 years, they will have their low-end $20,000 model available. And at that time, you can bet that it will be a equal to cars like Buick or Lincoln, only for 20K and under.
A casualty is death or injury. Wiki should list 1.27 FATALITIES per 100M miles.
Now, how many ppl die in city driving where almost all cars have airbags, and they are running at 5-40 mph? FEW.
As such, highway deaths are MUCH MUCH higher than city and suburb death, and are probably on the order of 1 / 20-40 million miles.
BTW, AP is mostly used on ALL highways, including interstate, divided, undivided, state, and even major local roads without stoplights.
And some of us even run it on regular roads to test and train it.
again, explain how highway driving at 60-90 MPH has 1/4 of the fatalities that city driving at 5-40 mph does. Esp. explain that with the airbags that are in 95+% of all cars.
ROLF. You obviously have never worked EMS. City driving has more accidents, but rarely any fatalities, except for pedestrians (which is not counted on this). The same is true of regular suburb driving. WHy? Because cars are traveling less than 40 MPH. Cars with airbags rarely have deaths (unless they are honda or toyota who use junk).
To have fatalities, you need head-ons at 60+ mph. Or you collide with a tree at 70 MPH. Or you flip your car in a ditch due to being drunk or falling asleep. ALMOST ALL OF THESE ARE HIGHWAYS. Divided highways are MUCH safer than undivided, BUT, divided highways are still far more dangerous than city driving.
Heck, how many city roads have the ability to drop you 200-1000' if you go off the road? None that I know. OTOH, we have loads of highway driving in the west in which that is the case. And for those that do not drop you large distance, you typically will drop into a river in which case, you will drown. BUT, that does not happen in cities and burbs.
So, you are right. They are NOT even close. That 96 million miles / fatility is probably closer to 40 or 20 million highway miles / fatality, and it is thinned out by cities and burbs.
fanboy? Um yeah. But actually, an owner that knows what he is talking about.
OTOH, there are plenty of fools and idiots that have absolutely NO idea of what they are talking about except to run it down.
Well, first off, many highways are not just straight. Plenty of curves.
Secondly, it is not the curves, but the stop/go of cars that is the real issue. With AP, once a tesla has driven a lane, that GPS info is spread around to all Teslas that enter that area. So, taken a curve for a first time is kind of nerve racking, but then it is easy.OTOH, the stop and go is constant and changing. That makes life far more difficult for the cars
Third, many of the tesla drivers that I know are like myself in that we disengage more often during the first drive. After that, not much need to do so. The other day, I took a side road on I-25, which had some sharp curves (under 15). Obviously I was the first and had to disengage a couple of times in that 10 miles. But the second time was easy going.
OTOH, when I drove up to mount evans the other day, I have to admit that I was pretty nerve racked using it. Regularly, we had sides that dropped 500-1000'. IOW, a guaranteed death. So, saying that I was being cautious on this. I only disengaged when several dualies came by (too wide for the road), along with 1 area of the road in which it looked like east coast roads (badly torn up).
So, THAT is some of the 130 million miles being logged.
The average fatality in America is 96 million miles of driving. That includes total miles, of which much of that is in the cities and burbs where there are few car deaths. Lots of accidents, and injuries, but few deaths.
As such, this is far far safer as I have said, and NHTSA will be no doubt saying as well.
No, that 130 million miles is NOT the driver. It is the AP that did 130 million miles. Yes, it was watched. And every single save was by design, and recorded and used by Tesla
in terms of accident numbers, yes. You are correct.
In terms of falitiies, NO. Highways are MUCH MUCH more dangerous than city or suburb driving where you are doing 10-40 MPH.
For Fatalities in cars, you need high speeds, such as more than 55 MPH. And that means highways.
Heck, when I was an EMT, none of the vehicle fatalities were on regular roads. They were on federal and state highways.
the difference is that they ppl have the background and intelligence to realize that GMO is NOT the issue. Sadly, you anti-GMO have neither the background, nor logic to figure out where the real issues are. The fact that you attack GMO and think that it is any different than what happens in life is nothing less than amazing.
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Problem is, that a number of the AC are astroturfing, probably for other car makers, ot the kock Bros. You will note that the ACs on Tesla have really stepped up since kock Bros announced they were going after Tesla.
Nah. He has been around for some time, has a 6 figure ID, and is not posting as AC. As such, he is posting his personal opinion( though misinformed) and is almost certainly not astroturfing. There are plenty of AC posting here that are obviously astroturfing, but he is not.
It will not, any more than cruise control does. Personally, I am a fan of the industry designing a car2car and car2point communication system.
here is a comparison of multiple systems and we see that Tesla is vastly superior to them.
Why are you signing your bottom?
No, this is known to be a level 3 autonomy and requires watching. We are required to sign off on that. And those Tesla drivers that are making heavy use say that it not only works great, but makes life easy on them.
Really? What messengers has musk attacked? He has gone after liars that are trying to pull a load of BS. Like you.
Why would it cause him pain?
You know, just thinking about it, you bring up an interesting point.
Right now, AP is actually semi-autonomous, and you have to have a certain speed to turn it on. In addition, you have to have hands on the wheel. So no, not a problem, AT THIS TIME.
BUT, the goal is level 4 autonomy. That means that get in (or put in a weight), and then order it to where you want to go, which could be as little as 1-2 miles away and it goes.
BUT, what stops them from loading explosives in the back (or even in that front seat weight)?
Nothing that I can think of.
good luck cracking Tesla. With some 100,000 Tesla on the road, only 6 have been stolen and in every case, it required that our fobs be stolen. And if you steal one, it is not worth that much on the black market. Only tesla does the parts and they do not buy stolen parts.
You need to be a bit careful on that. Many dealers are unscrupulous esp. with used cars. OTOH, Tesla backs not only their new cars, but their used cars.
Tesla Model 3 will be 35K and will be out next year. However, within 4 years, they will have their low-end $20,000 model available. And at that time, you can bet that it will be a equal to cars like Buick or Lincoln, only for 20K and under.
A casualty is death or injury. Wiki should list 1.27 FATALITIES per 100M miles.
Now, how many ppl die in city driving where almost all cars have airbags, and they are running at 5-40 mph? FEW.
As such, highway deaths are MUCH MUCH higher than city and suburb death, and are probably on the order of 1 / 20-40 million miles.
BTW, AP is mostly used on ALL highways, including interstate, divided, undivided, state, and even major local roads without stoplights.
And some of us even run it on regular roads to test and train it.
again, explain how highway driving at 60-90 MPH has 1/4 of the fatalities that city driving at 5-40 mph does. Esp. explain that with the airbags that are in 95+% of all cars.
and 3:45 in early may would be a fairly bright sun in the west, esp when the truck was all white.
hey, I was not the driver. That is what they said, not me.
really? Explain how many fatalities you have seen in the city driving vs. on the highway?
ROLF. You obviously have never worked EMS.
City driving has more accidents, but rarely any fatalities, except for pedestrians (which is not counted on this). The same is true of regular suburb driving. WHy? Because cars are traveling less than 40 MPH. Cars with airbags rarely have deaths (unless they are honda or toyota who use junk).
To have fatalities, you need head-ons at 60+ mph. Or you collide with a tree at 70 MPH. Or you flip your car in a ditch due to being drunk or falling asleep. ALMOST ALL OF THESE ARE HIGHWAYS. Divided highways are MUCH safer than undivided, BUT, divided highways are still far more dangerous than city driving.
Heck, how many city roads have the ability to drop you 200-1000' if you go off the road? None that I know. OTOH, we have loads of highway driving in the west in which that is the case. And for those that do not drop you large distance, you typically will drop into a river in which case, you will drown. BUT, that does not happen in cities and burbs.
So, you are right. They are NOT even close. That 96 million miles / fatility is probably closer to 40 or 20 million highway miles / fatality, and it is thinned out by cities and burbs.
fanboy? Um yeah. But actually, an owner that knows what he is talking about.
OTOH, there are plenty of fools and idiots that have absolutely NO idea of what they are talking about except to run it down.
Well, first off, many highways are not just straight. Plenty of curves.
Secondly, it is not the curves, but the stop/go of cars that is the real issue. With AP, once a tesla has driven a lane, that GPS info is spread around to all Teslas that enter that area. So, taken a curve for a first time is kind of nerve racking, but then it is easy.OTOH, the stop and go is constant and changing. That makes life far more difficult for the cars
Third, many of the tesla drivers that I know are like myself in that we disengage more often during the first drive. After that, not much need to do so. The other day, I took a side road on I-25, which had some sharp curves (under 15). Obviously I was the first and had to disengage a couple of times in that 10 miles. But the second time was easy going.
OTOH, when I drove up to mount evans the other day, I have to admit that I was pretty nerve racked using it. Regularly, we had sides that dropped 500-1000'. IOW, a guaranteed death. So, saying that I was being cautious on this. I only disengaged when several dualies came by (too wide for the road), along with 1 area of the road in which it looked like east coast roads (badly torn up).
So, THAT is some of the 130 million miles being logged.
Hmmm. U seem to have a problem with Google, reading, facts, and stats.
In mid October 2015 in the U.S. Tesla rolled out version 7 of their software that included autopilot capability
So, the 130+ million miles was less than 8 months, not 2 years.
The average fatality in America is 96 million miles of driving. That includes total miles, of which much of that is in the cities and burbs where there are few car deaths. Lots of accidents, and injuries, but few deaths.
As such, this is far far safer as I have said, and NHTSA will be no doubt saying as well.
No, that 130 million miles is NOT the driver. It is the AP that did 130 million miles. Yes, it was watched. And every single save was by design, and recorded and used by Tesla
in terms of accident numbers, yes. You are correct.
In terms of falitiies, NO. Highways are MUCH MUCH more dangerous than city or suburb driving where you are doing 10-40 MPH.
For Fatalities in cars, you need high speeds, such as more than 55 MPH. And that means highways.
Heck, when I was an EMT, none of the vehicle fatalities were on regular roads. They were on federal and state highways.
Right. But the ANTI-GMO types are pushing against any and all genome changes while ignoring what hybrids are (other than expensive).
the difference is that they ppl have the background and intelligence to realize that GMO is NOT the issue. Sadly, you anti-GMO have neither the background, nor logic to figure out where the real issues are. The fact that you attack GMO and think that it is any different than what happens in life is nothing less than amazing.