But some call people who post advertising to RELEVANT(!) newsgroups also spam. And some people call RELEVANT(!) advertising on webpages spam. I agree as far as the shit in my mailbox is concerned (I actually do not care; usually I get quite interesting spam I must say), but ng advertising, if posted to relevant groups, is not spam in my book, but a way of marketing your products. Webpages the same.
>I have programmed Java for half a year in an >internship, hab a pII/300 and >256Megs of Ram, and it was only just >bearable. Imaginig some
So you were programming gui's in java? Then I can understand, but serverside? I program servlets that run on any from a 486/40 mb to Sparc to Pentium-III and it all works fine. I have a 486 running 6 full e-commerce shops and it works fine. Ok it's not going into the millions of users, but for a 486 it is more than ok. Quite possible that another solution would do better, but how much AND AT WHAT COST? Developing in ugly perl, making updates a real hell? Using C++, which takes a lot more time to implement? Php is nice, Zope to, I must say. But comparing to something like enhydra, it fails miserably; XMLC is very good... No more mixing up of code/html, making updates a breeze... If someone writes a brilliant, extremely fast XML appserver in C++ (GPLed ofcourse) then I would consider looking there. It should be capable of using Python, Java, C++ etc as scripting/programming though and not some weird, unsupported homebrew shit.
People have been, are doing it now, and will continue using M$ products, even if they are insecure, not scalable, bloated, instable etc (and not to forget; very expensive). This probably marketing and buying out the competition.
The next version of KDE will be compatible with Gnome, so you can use Gnome apps & looks in KDE integration. Personally, I think trying to cater to all needs will only deframent the market more and more and that will keep M$ VERY happy. I agree, you should be able to plugin any winmanager and everything should still work. You can manage this by using some core corba server (like the one in Gnome) that works seperately from the winmanager... Gnome/KDE war sucks; it is a shame that QT/Gtk+ differ so much. They should work together and increase productivity (A Lot).
M$ will try all of this, and more. I think a good way to try to slow these kind of tactics, is to do some of what they do; make linux more userfriendly. If Linux would be as easy(easier) to use as Win2k (but still allowing you to get under the hood) and more stable than win2k (as it is now) (and faster with the choice between workstation install & server install), then people would consider it sooner. So I think programmers and graphics artists(!!!) should get there tools ready and help KDE & KOffice get bigger. Also massive attention should be given to projects like www.laetos.org (which is almost dead, because some people(die-hard c programmers et al) seem to think that a OS should be as difficult as possible -> that'll kill linux fast!)
And, going with the original article, it should be almost done or done when win2k comes out.
Bye, hyp
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sorry; exchange server... the biggest joke in software history... I use nt/linux/solaris daily for mission critical stuff; solaris wins in stability, nt just crashes (we have a dedicated(he has those sh*t msce something or other courses, nt admin) a lot (it aint fast and it aint stable), and linux is fast and quite stable. Any OS I can crash from userspace is crap; nt is a piece of cake; i just sit and program (does not matter which language) and it crashes at least once in a few days. Linux is quite easy if you have an out-of-the-box-system; you can secure it enough to make it virtually crashproof. As far as speed goes; we use linux as file/webserver and it is much faster than the nt mammots we have; this is practical experience; userstats. I don't know were people use nt for (we tried it as intermediate db server), but it simply cannot handle the load. AIX/DB2 is the only thing we have tried that can handle the 100 mlns of requests we get/day. If IBM is serious about f*cking M$, then they will help linux get to that point. btw. m$-sqlserver failed bigtime on our tests.
Shit... You got me 8|-)= Try DAS sometime; THE best beer in the world...
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So your lack of being able to read english is a bad thing? I don't know win2k, but as far as winnt goes; simple things are easy under windows and not under linux. But advanced stuff is extremely difficult/impossible(==buy some software) under windows and still difficult under linux. So, for most people, windows is easier, but for the rest un*x is. If you cannot get your modem/sound working then ask around and, if nec, write your own drivers; that's the idea. Most people (I hope) want to learn something, win users do not, coz there *is* nothing *to* learn. What is the use of such a job? Ofcourse, people have got to make money and win is perfect for this purpose, but win admins are not happy (lot of walking, or so they tell me), so they will be looking for things they *can* be creative in... What's better than an Open OS?
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Not *EVERY company* wants world domination. Most companies just want to be the best at their thing. M$ wants to *be* everything; that's the bit that worries me. If they would say; win98 is great for games and nt/win2k is nice/cheap for groupware then it would be acceptable. But saying; we are the best at everything, is stupid. If anyone would say such a thing, we would say; 'don't be naive', but Gates == god? You cannot tell me that he does not want *everything*! Tv/OS/embedded/telcom etc... That's the bad thing; and *NOT* every company wants that!!! It is plain ignorance to want something like that. When the time comes for m$ to should it out, Bill* will be gone.
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You might not have heard, but Bill's dream is to have the CE version of windows running on all embedded systems in the world. Everyone who sponsors M$ now will be part of making this happen. Good luck to YOU when you receive chemotherapy from a win CE controlled system.
It's not about their products, it's about the worlddominationthing they want! That's why you should think twice...
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But some call people who post advertising to
RELEVANT(!) newsgroups also spam.
And some people call RELEVANT(!) advertising
on webpages spam.
I agree as far as the shit in my mailbox is
concerned (I actually do not care; usually I get quite interesting spam I must say), but ng
advertising, if posted to relevant groups, is
not spam in my book, but a way of marketing your
products. Webpages the same.
>I have programmed Java for half a year in an >internship, hab a pII/300 and
>256Megs of Ram, and it was only just
>bearable. Imaginig some
So you were programming gui's in java? Then I can understand, but serverside? I program servlets that run on any from a 486/40 mb to Sparc to Pentium-III and it all works fine.
I have a 486 running 6 full e-commerce shops and it works fine.
Ok it's not going into the millions of users, but for a 486 it is more than ok.
Quite possible that another solution would do better, but how much AND AT WHAT COST? Developing in ugly perl, making updates a real hell?
Using C++, which takes a lot more time to implement?
Php is nice, Zope to, I must say.
But comparing to something like enhydra, it fails miserably; XMLC is very good... No more mixing up of code/html, making updates a breeze...
If someone writes a brilliant, extremely fast XML appserver in C++ (GPLed ofcourse) then I would consider looking there.
It should be capable of using Python, Java, C++ etc as scripting/programming though and not some weird, unsupported homebrew shit.
People have been, are doing it now, and will continue using M$ products, even if they are insecure, not scalable, bloated, instable etc (and not to forget; very expensive).
This probably marketing and buying out the competition.
The next version of KDE will be compatible with
Gnome, so you can use Gnome apps & looks in
KDE integration.
Personally, I think trying to cater to all needs
will only deframent the market more and more and
that will keep M$ VERY happy.
I agree, you should be able to plugin any winmanager and everything should still work. You can manage this by using some core corba server (like the one in Gnome) that works seperately from the winmanager...
Gnome/KDE war sucks; it is a shame that QT/Gtk+ differ so much. They should work together and increase productivity (A Lot).
QT wrapper for Gtk+?
M$ will try all of this, and more.
I think a good way to try to slow these kind
of tactics, is to do some of what they do;
make linux more userfriendly.
If Linux would be as easy(easier) to use as Win2k (but still allowing you to get under the hood) and more stable than win2k (as it is now) (and faster with the choice between workstation install & server install), then people would consider it sooner.
So I think programmers and graphics artists(!!!)
should get there tools ready and help KDE & KOffice get bigger.
Also massive attention should be given to projects like www.laetos.org (which is almost dead, because some people(die-hard c programmers et al) seem to think that a OS should be as difficult as possible -> that'll kill linux fast!)
And, going with the original article, it should be almost done or done when win2k comes out.
Bye,
hyp
sorry; exchange server... the biggest joke in software history...
I use nt/linux/solaris daily for mission critical stuff; solaris wins in stability, nt just crashes (we have a dedicated(he has those sh*t msce something or other courses, nt admin) a lot (it aint fast and it aint stable), and linux is fast and quite stable.
Any OS I can crash from userspace is crap; nt is a piece of cake; i just sit and program (does not matter which language) and it crashes at least once in a few days.
Linux is quite easy if you have an out-of-the-box-system; you can secure it enough to make it virtually crashproof.
As far as speed goes; we use linux as file/webserver and it is much faster than the nt mammots we have; this is practical experience; userstats.
I don't know were people use nt for (we tried it as intermediate db server), but it simply cannot handle the load. AIX/DB2 is the only thing we have tried that can handle the 100 mlns of requests we get/day.
If IBM is serious about f*cking M$, then they will help linux get to that point.
btw. m$-sqlserver failed bigtime on our tests.
Shit... You got me 8|-)= Try DAS sometime; THE best beer in the world...
So your lack of being able to read english is a bad thing?
I don't know win2k, but as far as winnt goes; simple things are easy under windows and not under linux. But advanced stuff is extremely difficult/impossible(==buy some software) under windows and still difficult under linux.
So, for most people, windows is easier, but for the rest un*x is.
If you cannot get your modem/sound working then ask around and, if nec, write your own drivers; that's the idea.
Most people (I hope) want to learn something, win users do not, coz there *is* nothing *to* learn.
What is the use of such a job?
Ofcourse, people have got to make money and win is perfect for this purpose, but win admins are not happy (lot of walking, or so they tell me), so they will be looking for things they *can* be creative in... What's better than an Open OS?
Not *EVERY company* wants world domination. Most companies just want to be the best at their thing. M$ wants to *be* everything; that's the bit that worries me. If they would say; win98 is great for games and nt/win2k is nice/cheap for groupware then it would be acceptable. But saying; we are the best at everything, is stupid.
If anyone would say such a thing, we would say; 'don't be naive', but Gates == god?
You cannot tell me that he does not want *everything*! Tv/OS/embedded/telcom etc...
That's the bad thing; and *NOT* every company wants that!!! It is plain ignorance to want something like that. When the time comes for m$ to should it out, Bill* will be gone.
You might not have heard, but Bill's dream
is to have the CE version of windows running
on all embedded systems in the world.
Everyone who sponsors M$ now will be part of making this happen.
Good luck to YOU when you receive chemotherapy from a win CE controlled system.
It's not about their products, it's about the worlddominationthing they want!
That's why you should think twice...