First of all I'm just tired of the tyraid that is always against flash, it just gets old... Lets break it down and see what you're really griping at,.. Tired of waiting for the flash pages to load? Sure, they *can* be a pain at times, but that is no where near flash's fault, it's the actual developer,.the part of the equation that always seems to be dropped out. What about two-three years ago when all you seen was gifs blinking everywhere? It's still out there, though not nearly as bad, it's still a problem. Splash screens can be a pain as well, this I'll admit,.. but I couldn't begin to tell you the many many sites I've seen that a non flash page carries over 150k in weight, or the pages that developers don't optimize thier images as they should. Back again to the web developer. I'm all for standards, I'm a acting member of WaSP, and I don't think that flash is the replacement of html, well xhtml/xml. But I think it's a very viable enhancement, there are search engines now that can parse through flash for indexing, the swf format is open, So, the comment about the ide sucks, or about how there isn't one for linux, . why whine? Build one. Why not complain about how long streaming media takes?,.. and though its not perfect but the S. codec in flash 6 is by far faster than any of the other big boys in the streaming media front. And the actionscript is based of the ECMA standard, . so I can't see any complaints there. And now that web services, remoting, and database driven flash applications are possible it allows for a better ease of coding, . IF the webdevelopers try and utilize them. There was a comment about having to code for two platforms, flash and non flash, with db driven, it's not a worry, . build the guis, and let the db do the talking.
You *can* have your back button back, hot keys enabled, searchable text, and there are a couple of screen readers that can read through flash, so it's all back to the developer, and not the product itself.
And I know php, and cold fusion, tell me something I CAN'T do with cold fusion that I can do with php? in the web scripting world I don't see it. To some it's ugly, and thats fine, tag based languages can only appeal a certain amount of people,. considering that xml is tag based, I can't see it as a viable arguement, but to no end I'm sure there will be several here. The database seperation layer?, where was that first? Can php run ontop of a j2ee platform? just curious, I couldn't find anything but enhydra, . and I'm not going to touch that. but I'll assume it can, . and cold fusion is right there can run anywhere as well. In the open source forum I'm sure it won't be appreciated as my comments are thrown, and thats fine, . but all in all I STILL say it's back to the developers who code and what they CHOOSE to code with,.. as ms struts around we'll see a ms world,. and the hell that may come with it.
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First of all I'm just tired of the tyraid that is always against flash, it just gets old... .. Tired of waiting for the flash pages to load? Sure, they *can* be a pain at times, but that is no where near flash's fault, it's the actual developer, .the part of the equation that always seems to be dropped out. What about two-three years ago when all you seen was gifs blinking everywhere? It's still out there, though not nearly as bad, it's still a problem. Splash screens can be a pain as well, this I'll admit,.. but I couldn't begin to tell you the many many sites I've seen that a non flash page carries over 150k in weight, or the pages that developers don't optimize thier images as they should. Back again to the web developer. I'm all for standards, I'm a acting member of WaSP, and I don't think that flash is the replacement of html, well xhtml/xml. But I think it's a very viable enhancement, there are search engines now that can parse through flash for indexing, the swf format is open, So, the comment about the ide sucks, or about how there isn't one for linux, . why whine? Build one. Why not complain about how long streaming media takes?, .. and though its not perfect but the S. codec in flash 6 is by far faster than any of the other big boys in the streaming media front. And the actionscript is based of the ECMA standard, . so I can't see any complaints there. And now that web services, remoting, and database driven flash applications are possible it allows for a better ease of coding, . IF the webdevelopers try and utilize them. There was a comment about having to code for two platforms, flash and non flash, with db driven, it's not a worry, . build the guis, and let the db do the talking.
.. as ms struts around we'll see a ms world,. and the hell that may come with it.
Lets break it down and see what you're really griping at,
You *can* have your back button back, hot keys enabled, searchable text, and there are a couple of screen readers that can read through flash, so it's all back to the developer, and not the product itself.
And I know php, and cold fusion, tell me something I CAN'T do with cold fusion that I can do with php? in the web scripting world I don't see it. To some it's ugly, and thats fine, tag based languages can only appeal a certain amount of people,. considering that xml is tag based, I can't see it as a viable arguement, but to no end I'm sure there will be several here. The database seperation layer?, where was that first? Can php run ontop of a j2ee platform? just curious, I couldn't find anything but enhydra, . and I'm not going to touch that. but I'll assume it can, . and cold fusion is right there can run anywhere as well. In the open source forum I'm sure it won't be appreciated as my comments are thrown, and thats fine, . but all in all I STILL say it's back to the developers who code and what they CHOOSE to code with,
anyways....