Ditto!
The municipality I punch keys for here in MA has a city gas & electric company that went into the ISP/WAN business (business to business & dialup). We ride on the glass between all school/city buildings for pennies.
Now I'm sure in some form the taxpayers in town pay a "tax" in gas/elect bills to help support the the links (*if* the network end isn't in the black). But as a resident myself, I'd rather see the money stay in town, than pay it in property taxes to the town/school accounts just to go to MA Bell.
Not to mention we have free support, 100% control from building to telco pole, underground, everything.
Win/Win.
please tell me your in MA, please tell me, please... We are so proud of our state AG office in that they are (the only?, if not of the few) not to give in on the whole Microsoft "Settlement" crap!
If you are, lemme know were they drink so I can buy them a beer.
Absolutely not. Just because I have Macs in my office doesn't mean I recommend them. Thus, when people bump into our XServe and the HD's pop out, not my fault.
Many people have had problems with the OS X updates wreaking configurations, desktops, etc. Read an Apple mail list after an update comes out.
Our experience with Macintosh servers/server software has been terrible, and thus my opinions about Apple in a REAL environment. When you ask two Apple engineers, "our server crashes 3 times a day... how many users/sessions is this server supposed to handle"
Apple Engineers: "We don't know, just add another server".
Run for the hills. Now things are better with OS X, but there is still no REAL backup solution, only software RAID (the world stopped doing that 5-8 years ago), and their server products dumb down good tools like Samba.
Show me 100 server farms, and I'll show you 10 Apple servers, there are reasons.
Agree'd. Just another argument for me to keep more Mac servers out of my office.
If Apple expects us to update constantly (and most updates hoze everything anyways) we'll have a headache on our hand.
Mac as servers not that good anyways...
This just gets better and better. This reminds me of my WWII History. Around 1944 when Hitler was loosing it and moving fake divisions around a map making bold statements and crazy orders.
If I remember it correctly, the staff called it his, "Crazy kooko land".
SCO sues Microsoft next, and sells licenses to Coleco.
Buy a PC then? PC users don't bitch because we can't run Mac programs on our PC's.
I think your all missing the point. I get this at work all the time (our ed pc's are half macs) and they complain they can't run lots of software, but insist they need Macs. So they get VPC, and the PC apps run like crap sometimes.. and they complain.
If you want to run an Apple machine, fine.. more power to ya, but don't expect you can take advantage of cool stuff on PC's. Just makes sense.
Individuals & companies should blanket mail something along the lines of this. Note the inclusion of Red Hat (just to record that a RH user feels effected).
Send it certified reciept, and if SCO should actually sue you, hand a copy to the judge as proof of your prior good faith attempts. If SCO sues me, in a case that small this should carry significant weight.
Someone can certainly improve on my letter.
If everyone formally requests to purchase a SCO license (which they obviously don't ACTUALLY want to sell) they will either have to shut up or offer. If they offer, I think they know they are digging their holes deeper.
October 22nd, 2003
Your Name -or- Company
Your Address
Your City, Your State, Your Zip
The SCO Group
355 South 520 West, Suite 100
Lindon, Utah 84042
The SCO Group,
I am an individual who currently uses Red Hat Linux on three single processor machines in my home. According to many public statements made by The SCO Group, Linux contains SCO intellectual property and I'm required to purchase three licenses from The SCO Group at an introductory price of $699.00 or face possible future litigation.
I have learned of statements made by Blake Stowell of The SCO Group that SCO is only accepting purchases from "Fortune 1000" companies. I am not a "Fortune 1000" company and my payments will not be accepted by The SCO Group.
Therefore I assume my three Linux installations do not require a SCO Group license, and by refusing my payments The SCO Group is granting me rights to execute it's alleged proprietary code on my computers free of charge.
If my assumptions are incorrect, and I require SCO Group licenses please mail me an order form and a copy of your Linux License user agreement post haste for my review.
This is my attempt to act in good faith with The SCO Group regarding SCO Linux Licensing. In the absence of a reply I will continue to consider the issue resolved.
Once again, another bad piece of Journalism...
I'm surprised they actually list an author on the headline. A machine could take a bunch of press statements and stick it together.
This was an opportunity to ASK real questions regardinging the licensing issue and write about it. 'This is what sco says, but my investigation reveals...' would be a piece of actual journalism rather than this garbage.
IT Press sucks again...
Given SCO's litigation philosophy and practice, I would think having any sort of connection with SCO, much less an employee who might have access to SCO "secrets" could be a legal liability.
If I remember correctly, the Child Internet Safety Protection Act requires many features simular (perhaps exact?) to be 100% compliant with the act. I doubt they would write such into the bill unless the technology was ALREADY widely available.
The filter we use in our district, Netspective (Verso) also has simular features, and needed them to claim to be compliant.
Fishy, fishy... I'll be forwarding this article to them.
Ok, well, now, hold on. Lets breath for a moment. Now just because a public statement was made by a stock dumper doesn't mean it will become reality. How often have we seen this type of hype from SCO?
There is a definate pattern here of falsehoods, threats, retractions just to keep the whole thing running.
Here's my bitch. I really have to say that the state of IT journalism just sucks. It really sucks. All I see is a bunch of press releases forwarded by the IT press. So if IBM isn't talking they just sit back and watch, and repeat the FUD? Heh guys (not that you're reading), but get out there are research this story or something. If I want SCO press releases and propoganda I can just go to their website.... well, not at least in Germany.
And thats my second bitch. Granted German courts are likely to be more receptive to anti-sco arguments, but why hasn't there been any such injunctions filed in the US, or UK? Where is Red Hat and IBM. I can understand legal strategy, but there is real damage happening here to the Linux marketing image.
We have no one to blame but ourselves... cuz we, and they are doing nothing.
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Ditto! The municipality I punch keys for here in MA has a city gas & electric company that went into the ISP/WAN business (business to business & dialup). We ride on the glass between all school/city buildings for pennies. Now I'm sure in some form the taxpayers in town pay a "tax" in gas/elect bills to help support the the links (*if* the network end isn't in the black). But as a resident myself, I'd rather see the money stay in town, than pay it in property taxes to the town/school accounts just to go to MA Bell. Not to mention we have free support, 100% control from building to telco pole, underground, everything. Win/Win.
And when my representatives get this letter they are going to say, SCO who? At least SCO doesn't have enough money to actually LOBBY them....
All you people get off, you're stealing my banwidth, and stop you whining!
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ok.... um.... how bout.... no.... um......
is there anything anyone could possible say about this?
please tell me your in MA, please tell me, please... We are so proud of our state AG office in that they are (the only?, if not of the few) not to give in on the whole Microsoft "Settlement" crap!
If you are, lemme know were they drink so I can buy them a beer.
... yeah, but everyone hates Martha. Oh wait.. we hate Darl too.
Absolutely not. Just because I have Macs in my office doesn't mean I recommend them. Thus, when people bump into our XServe and the HD's pop out, not my fault.
Many people have had problems with the OS X updates wreaking configurations, desktops, etc. Read an Apple mail list after an update comes out.
Our experience with Macintosh servers/server software has been terrible, and thus my opinions about Apple in a REAL environment. When you ask two Apple engineers, "our server crashes 3 times a day... how many users/sessions is this server supposed to handle"
Apple Engineers: "We don't know, just add another server".
Run for the hills. Now things are better with OS X, but there is still no REAL backup solution, only software RAID (the world stopped doing that 5-8 years ago), and their server products dumb down good tools like Samba.
Show me 100 server farms, and I'll show you 10 Apple servers, there are reasons.
Agree'd. Just another argument for me to keep more Mac servers out of my office. If Apple expects us to update constantly (and most updates hoze everything anyways) we'll have a headache on our hand. Mac as servers not that good anyways...
This just gets better and better. This reminds me of my WWII History. Around 1944 when Hitler was loosing it and moving fake divisions around a map making bold statements and crazy orders. If I remember it correctly, the staff called it his, "Crazy kooko land". SCO sues Microsoft next, and sells licenses to Coleco.
As they say in the british parlement. Here, Here!
Buy a PC then? PC users don't bitch because we can't run Mac programs on our PC's. I think your all missing the point. I get this at work all the time (our ed pc's are half macs) and they complain they can't run lots of software, but insist they need Macs. So they get VPC, and the PC apps run like crap sometimes.. and they complain. If you want to run an Apple machine, fine.. more power to ya, but don't expect you can take advantage of cool stuff on PC's. Just makes sense.
Individuals & companies should blanket mail something along the lines of this. Note the inclusion of Red Hat (just to record that a RH user feels effected).
Send it certified reciept, and if SCO should actually sue you, hand a copy to the judge as proof of your prior good faith attempts. If SCO sues me, in a case that small this should carry significant weight.
Someone can certainly improve on my letter.
If everyone formally requests to purchase a SCO license (which they obviously don't ACTUALLY want to sell) they will either have to shut up or offer. If they offer, I think they know they are digging their holes deeper.
October 22nd, 2003
Your Name -or- Company
Your Address
Your City, Your State, Your Zip
The SCO Group
355 South 520 West, Suite 100
Lindon, Utah 84042
The SCO Group,
I am an individual who currently uses Red Hat Linux on three single processor machines in my home. According to many public statements made by The SCO Group, Linux contains SCO intellectual property and I'm required to purchase three licenses from The SCO Group at an introductory price of $699.00 or face possible future litigation.
I have learned of statements made by Blake Stowell of The SCO Group that SCO is only accepting purchases from "Fortune 1000" companies. I am not a "Fortune 1000" company and my payments will not be accepted by The SCO Group.
Therefore I assume my three Linux installations do not require a SCO Group license, and by refusing my payments The SCO Group is granting me rights to execute it's alleged proprietary code on my computers free of charge.
If my assumptions are incorrect, and I require SCO Group licenses please mail me an order form and a copy of your Linux License user agreement post haste for my review.
This is my attempt to act in good faith with The SCO Group regarding SCO Linux Licensing. In the absence of a reply I will continue to consider the issue resolved.
Sincerely,
Your Name
Certified Mail #: xxxxxxxxxxxx
Once again, another bad piece of Journalism... I'm surprised they actually list an author on the headline. A machine could take a bunch of press statements and stick it together. This was an opportunity to ASK real questions regardinging the licensing issue and write about it. 'This is what sco says, but my investigation reveals...' would be a piece of actual journalism rather than this garbage. IT Press sucks again...
Given SCO's litigation philosophy and practice, I would think having any sort of connection with SCO, much less an employee who might have access to SCO "secrets" could be a legal liability.
If I remember correctly, the Child Internet Safety Protection Act requires many features simular (perhaps exact?) to be 100% compliant with the act. I doubt they would write such into the bill unless the technology was ALREADY widely available.
The filter we use in our district, Netspective (Verso) also has simular features, and needed them to claim to be compliant.
Fishy, fishy... I'll be forwarding this article to them.
Ok, well, now, hold on. Lets breath for a moment. Now just because a public statement was made by a stock dumper doesn't mean it will become reality. How often have we seen this type of hype from SCO? There is a definate pattern here of falsehoods, threats, retractions just to keep the whole thing running. Here's my bitch. I really have to say that the state of IT journalism just sucks. It really sucks. All I see is a bunch of press releases forwarded by the IT press. So if IBM isn't talking they just sit back and watch, and repeat the FUD? Heh guys (not that you're reading), but get out there are research this story or something. If I want SCO press releases and propoganda I can just go to their website.... well, not at least in Germany. And thats my second bitch. Granted German courts are likely to be more receptive to anti-sco arguments, but why hasn't there been any such injunctions filed in the US, or UK? Where is Red Hat and IBM. I can understand legal strategy, but there is real damage happening here to the Linux marketing image. We have no one to blame but ourselves... cuz we, and they are doing nothing.
Added some more.... enjoy. Thanks to ennui for the driveby. http://www.geocities.com/artiste242
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