I'm not a nurse, but that doesn't mean that I can't make informed decisions about hiring them.
Bullshit. If you don't have a degree in the area, you are automatically making UNINFORMED decisions if you're working in that area. That includes hiring and firing. This is in fact the center of my argument- CxOs and HR people are incompetant is the only reason they can't find skilled people. You want to build a good programming team? Then you'd better know *something* about the software life cycle and what talents are needed. And in software, that means you need a BSET or better.
We have a lot of uninsured that are young and don't want to spend the money. If they get hurt they can go into a an ER and get patched up without money or insurance, so why buy it? If they have a huge bill they just declare BK. Problem solved. Another big chunk of the uninsured includes illegal immigrants. Without those groups, the number of uninsured is pretty tame.
Well, since nobody in their right minds can afford individual insurance, a third group is those whose employers don't provide insurance. Guess which group of employers is least likely to offer insurance? SMALL BUSINESSES WITH LESS THAN 40 EMPLOYEES, since they're not required to by law.
We have less vacation here because it's required by law in Europe. We don't want that. Your house payment due next week? Too bad, buddy. It's vacation time. No rational person would favor the Europeon work environment over the US. Look at their unemployment and especially long term unemployment. Many Europeans go for years without a job.
I went for years without a job in the US. I don't see any difference at all there.
If the goal is to "Break Americans out of the middle class and put them into poverty" then we missed by a wide margin. Our "poor" people have cell phones, cable TV, cars, etc. Not many countries can say that. What you've missed is the opportunity for our poor people to buy more with their limited income because free trade lowered prices.
Things mean nothing. Family means everything. If you can't afford to feed your children, what good does a cell phone or cable TV do for you?
The US Government does not provide a stable money supply to the world. It is the Federal Reserve that prints US money paper. The Federal Reserve is a private "bank" and has nothing to do with the US Government.
Not no connection- the President appoints all of it's board members and the chairman.
But I guess it comes down to this- why can't India just create their own Federal Reserve and print enough Rupees to create their own consumer culture? Why do they have to sell to us?
And you get your infinite supply of ammo from where? After all, if economics is not zero sum, then scarcity of resources doesn't really exist. All it takes is human work, and in a world where slavery is legal (because it's legal in the Sudan and therefore, in a world where outsourcing is freely legal and encouraged, you can always replace an employee with a slave), the value of human work is nothing.
Why am I supposed to care more about you than I care about some guy in India?
(based on the theoretical assumption that I'm your next door neighbor) Because otherwise I'm going to get so poor that I take my gun, break into your house, and steal your food. The guy in India can't do that.
Note that I have extended my patriotism to include the entire human race, as it seems rather inevitable to me that there needs to be global solutions to many of the problems facing the planet.
One size fits all solutions end up fitting nobody and ignoring evolution. Why not local solutions for local problems first? Say, instead of attempting to extort money from the United States, perhaps India can create their own Federal Reserve and print more money for their own people to spend?
Anybody who believes that Economics is not Zero Sum must believe that there is no scarcity of any resources on the planet. But you're right in a way. So here's a MUCH better idea for India than Business Process Outsourcing- how about they create their own Federal Reserve and start printing money to create their own economy instead of being a parasite on somebody else's?
Sorry, I'm awfully short on patriotism these days. I love the land my country is on but I think as an entity it has done more harm than good.
I personally think that's mainly due to my current sig line- profit has defeated patriotism and destroyed democracy.
Ultimately the only thing that's going to put an end to things like terrorism is to have the whole world be open and unfettered, and for something like equality to be achieved. Given that the first world has been deliberately twisting the third in order to keep them down and maintain the status quo (take a look at just what the US has done to middle and south america throughout history for some excellent examples - most of them engaged in at the point of a sword, or the end of a gun) I'd say that outsourcing is just the free market attempting, in its clumsy way, to establish equality.
Then it's a stupid way to go about it. How about instead just removing our fingers out of middle and south America and concentrate on creating the highest standard of living in the world *IN THE UNITED STATES* as an example to other nations? Then they could do the same.
I am not a patriot. I believe in the rights of all humans, whether they live in the USA or not. Does that make me a traitor? I suppose from a certain narrow-minded point of view, it does. But I believe that all of us humans are on this rock together, that all of our actions necessarily affect everyone else standing here in the mud, and that we are going to have to go into the future together if we want to get there.
Maybe, just maybe, if we close our borders to foreign trade, our actions don't have to affect everyone else.
They may be getting paid less than they were, but I'm not sure that qualifies as being 'substandard' pay.
Depends on whether you're on the giving or the recieving end.
Since the 'tech bubble' caused overinflated salaries for IT people (which I think most people, even those in IT, would agree with)
I don't. But then again, I think anybody with a college degree should really be worth $200,000 a year. Those with Business degrees certainly think so, so why should IT be any different?
then the end of the bubble means that salaries return to a reasonable value.
Salaries aren't supposed to go down- regardless of changes in the stock market and the artificial "boom bust" cycle.
Everyone I know in IT, including myself, is making plenty of money, so I'm not seeing a problem.
Then you must not know very many people.
Finding your first job out of college can be a pain, since everyone seems to want people with experience- but once you're in you have a lot of options to choose from.
I've got 12 years of experience- and still spent the last 5 contracting because I couldn't find a real job. I only just now got health insurance coverage again. When there are 7 billion applicants, anybody can be replaced.
They have created an industry, and are competing very well.
So they provide more services to their fellow countrymen than to other nations, using only their own currency and not relying on foreign sources of investment and debt?
They are offering their services and any one is free to get them for a fee. Yes it is hurts but atleast people are not dying here.
That's only a matter of time before those who have been hurt by this line those who have profited from it up against a wall and shoot them as the traitors they are.
That is what happened during the industrial "revolution" when the west introduced their mass produced, cheap goods to the east, driving a lot of people out of work and into death from starvation.
Interestingly faulty logic. The United States could exist just fine without patriotism, if it replaced it with a shred of common sense.
No nation can exist without patriotism- it takes a patriot to give up their life to protect a country from invasion. Laws cannot exist without patriots.
Exactly. One of the other empires which declared independence could have done an excellent job. One not founded on religious persecution and civil war.
All empires are founded on religious persecution and civil war. There has never been an empire that wasn't.
Why would they outlaw money in their own country?
I said outlaw DOLLARS, not money. The key is to create a stable money supply at home first using NATIVE currency, not US dollars.
I'm having trouble following your argument, and knowing exactly what side you're arguing for...
I'm arguing for the side of local trade and banning foreign trade.
And why do they need to "create they our industry"?
I said Create their OWN industry. As in India should support their own companies and buy locally.
Does that mean that American firms shouldn't be making anything that was invented somewhere else?
No, that means that American firms should make 100% of their "Made in America" items in America, down to the last magnet or capacitor.
Competition makes everyone better off
That's completely unproven and only a statement of faith.
just look at the progress for the last century and it becomes abundantly clear.
The progress of the last century was about warfare, not competition, and the largest leaps in progress were all standardized government programs under the Department of Defense.
The only argument that opponents of outsourcing have is good old protectionism which does nothing but make everyone poorer.
Another completely unproven statement. For instance, if we treated the competition with the seriousness it deserves, then we'd simply nuke India- a few hundred million dead and the business would come back to the United States where it belongs.
Everyone outsources - its only when outsourcing can be colored with xenophobia that it gains any traction at all.
Another unproven statement. Do you have anything other than religious faith for your beliefs?
This study *IS* what CxOs say. That's the population who made up the survey. IT folks are not C-level executives, for the simple reason that you need to have a social life to be a C-level executive.
Ok, so.... you still haven't explained where patriotism comes into play,
Without patriotism the United States would not exist- we would have failed to become a nation to begin with and would have been:
if the world would, in fact, have been better off if the United States had not economically raped and corrupted the many developing nations that would have,
If it hadn't have been the United States, it would have been the British Empire- who were invading the "Developing world" long before the United States was a country.
that would have, instead, provided the world with a stable money supply.
There's nothing keeping them from doing it today if they were so inclined. The first step is to outlaw the use of dollars in your country.
Marxist (not a smear -- that's his handle), do you think it would be fair to say that since 1900 in America over 100 million jobs have been "destroyed" by outsourcing and technology?
By technology before 1950, and by outsourcing after 1963, yes. I make that distinction of periods of time for a reason- there's a SIGNIFICANT difference in jobs created by technology that fueled the expansion of the middle class before 1963, and outsourcing that has destroyed the middle class since then.
Such as horse trainers, carriage makers, textile workers, etc. Would you say that the forces responsible for that caused less real compensation?
Horse trainers and carriage makers found good union jobs in the auto industry. Textile workers were just dumped into welfare. For the first group, there was an increase in real compensation, for the second there has been a real loss when compared to inflation.
Why didn't that person save while they were "high on the hog" and bury the money in an index of companies so as to insure against falling behind?
In 2001 there was a stock market crash if you didn't notice- investment is usually a bad idea when the economy goes south. In fact, the stock market in general is just a method to steal money from investors and give it to stock brokers and C-level executives.
Didn't slashdot just have a thread about the rules of engagement in a job interview?
I missed it if they did- I sometimes don't read on the weekends.
Why do you think searching for employees and employers is so hard to do?
Because, by and large, American lifestyles are priced out of the market.
I originally read about it in the Programmer's Guild Newsletter, back in 2002. One of the sharper eyed members had noticed the reduction in the American Labor force from 86 million to 64 million between 1999 and 2002, and a similar increase in the disabled/displaced/discouraged numbers that aren't officially a part of the labor force.
Oh, I gotta hear the explanation for that logic....
Up until the creation of the European Union, the United States government was the *ONLY* government to provide a stable money supply for the world. If the United States didn't exist, there would be no reserve currency at all until recently. In the competition to provide the world with a stable money supply, the European Union are our enemies.
I'm not entirely sure why so many people believe that hiring an American is somehow more virtuous than hiring a foreigner.
It's called patriotism. I'm sure it's a value you've never heard of before, because the type of person that would throw away money overseas doesn't care enough about the United States to begin with to bother.
Is it just thinly disguised racism?
No, it's completely undisguised competitivism- Economics as warfare and every country on their own with no allies.
A belief that Americans are more worthy of a job because of where they happened to be born?
Nope- nothing to do with that, for the patriotic will gladly hire the legal immigrant who has given up foreign allegiance as quickly as a natural born citizen.
Or is it just a fear that they aren't as qualified for their own job as someone else could be?
Nobody is so qualified for their job that they can't be replaced by somebody who makes $2 a day. No skillset is so unique that it can't be duplicated in 7 billion people, so essentially there is no such person who is so qualified for their job that they can't be replaced in a system that gives no value to keeping the job local.
And invariably that "other demand" will pay less and have fewer benefits, thus resulting in a net loss to the individual involved. This is accomplished by keeping the person out of work until they are bankrupt and forced to take the next offer regardless of what it is. That's how come 1/6th of America no longer has health insurance, retirement benefits, or paid family leave, and why we have HALF the vacation time on average compared to Europe.
"frees up those Americans to satisfy some other demand." is just code for "Break Americans out of the middle class and put them into poverty".
I'm glad that profit means more to me than patriotism, because patriotism is one of the greatest evils perpetuated in the world (profit is still a great evil, but behind patriotism by a few places!)
Where I completely reverse that. For without patriotism, there would be no profit!
Is there really a skilled labour shortage? Everyone who works in HR at an IT company or a company with an IT department seems to think so.
That's because the real skilled labor shortage is in HR departments who know NOTHING about IT to begin with and wouldn't know a skilled worker if they hacked in and stole the HR person's bank account information. HR people are idiots who couldn't program their way out of a paper bag and can't be counted on as a valid source of information in IT skills.
Everyone knows that the only jobs that count are the jobs in the United States. The rest of the folks in the world don't need jobs, they just need government cheese.
Wrong. What we're really saying is that instead of being parasites on American businesses, maybe they should create an industry of their own and compete with us fairly instead of stealing jobs.
Under 5% unemployment is termed "full employment".
The only idiots to claim that are class warriors attacking the middle class. One day the middle class will figure out that they're being attacked, and bullets will be flying in the economics departments of major colleges for insults such as this.
Hint to idiots: "Full Employment" to most people means 0% unemployment, not moving 20% of the labor force to disability to create an artificial 5% unemployment rate.
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I'm not a nurse, but that doesn't mean that I can't make informed decisions about hiring them.
Bullshit. If you don't have a degree in the area, you are automatically making UNINFORMED decisions if you're working in that area. That includes hiring and firing. This is in fact the center of my argument- CxOs and HR people are incompetant is the only reason they can't find skilled people. You want to build a good programming team? Then you'd better know *something* about the software life cycle and what talents are needed. And in software, that means you need a BSET or better.
We have a lot of uninsured that are young and don't want to spend the money. If they get hurt they can go into a an ER and get patched up without money or insurance, so why buy it? If they have a huge bill they just declare BK. Problem solved. Another big chunk of the uninsured includes illegal immigrants. Without those groups, the number of uninsured is pretty tame.
Well, since nobody in their right minds can afford individual insurance, a third group is those whose employers don't provide insurance. Guess which group of employers is least likely to offer insurance? SMALL BUSINESSES WITH LESS THAN 40 EMPLOYEES, since they're not required to by law.
We have less vacation here because it's required by law in Europe. We don't want that. Your house payment due next week? Too bad, buddy. It's vacation time. No rational person would favor the Europeon work environment over the US. Look at their unemployment and especially long term unemployment. Many Europeans go for years without a job.
I went for years without a job in the US. I don't see any difference at all there.
If the goal is to "Break Americans out of the middle class and put them into poverty" then we missed by a wide margin. Our "poor" people have cell phones, cable TV, cars, etc. Not many countries can say that. What you've missed is the opportunity for our poor people to buy more with their limited income because free trade lowered prices.
Things mean nothing. Family means everything. If you can't afford to feed your children, what good does a cell phone or cable TV do for you?
The US Government does not provide a stable money supply to the world. It is the Federal Reserve that prints US money paper. The Federal Reserve is a private "bank" and has nothing to do with the US Government.
Not no connection- the President appoints all of it's board members and the chairman.
But I guess it comes down to this- why can't India just create their own Federal Reserve and print enough Rupees to create their own consumer culture? Why do they have to sell to us?
And you get your infinite supply of ammo from where? After all, if economics is not zero sum, then scarcity of resources doesn't really exist. All it takes is human work, and in a world where slavery is legal (because it's legal in the Sudan and therefore, in a world where outsourcing is freely legal and encouraged, you can always replace an employee with a slave), the value of human work is nothing.
Why am I supposed to care more about you than I care about some guy in India?
(based on the theoretical assumption that I'm your next door neighbor) Because otherwise I'm going to get so poor that I take my gun, break into your house, and steal your food. The guy in India can't do that.
Note that I have extended my patriotism to include the entire human race, as it seems rather inevitable to me that there needs to be global solutions to many of the problems facing the planet.
One size fits all solutions end up fitting nobody and ignoring evolution. Why not local solutions for local problems first? Say, instead of attempting to extort money from the United States, perhaps India can create their own Federal Reserve and print more money for their own people to spend?
Anybody who believes that Economics is not Zero Sum must believe that there is no scarcity of any resources on the planet. But you're right in a way. So here's a MUCH better idea for India than Business Process Outsourcing- how about they create their own Federal Reserve and start printing money to create their own economy instead of being a parasite on somebody else's?
Sorry, I'm awfully short on patriotism these days. I love the land my country is on but I think as an entity it has done more harm than good.
I personally think that's mainly due to my current sig line- profit has defeated patriotism and destroyed democracy.
Ultimately the only thing that's going to put an end to things like terrorism is to have the whole world be open and unfettered, and for something like equality to be achieved. Given that the first world has been deliberately twisting the third in order to keep them down and maintain the status quo (take a look at just what the US has done to middle and south america throughout history for some excellent examples - most of them engaged in at the point of a sword, or the end of a gun) I'd say that outsourcing is just the free market attempting, in its clumsy way, to establish equality.
Then it's a stupid way to go about it. How about instead just removing our fingers out of middle and south America and concentrate on creating the highest standard of living in the world *IN THE UNITED STATES* as an example to other nations? Then they could do the same.
I am not a patriot. I believe in the rights of all humans, whether they live in the USA or not. Does that make me a traitor? I suppose from a certain narrow-minded point of view, it does. But I believe that all of us humans are on this rock together, that all of our actions necessarily affect everyone else standing here in the mud, and that we are going to have to go into the future together if we want to get there.
Maybe, just maybe, if we close our borders to foreign trade, our actions don't have to affect everyone else.
They may be getting paid less than they were, but I'm not sure that qualifies as being 'substandard' pay.
Depends on whether you're on the giving or the recieving end.
Since the 'tech bubble' caused overinflated salaries for IT people (which I think most people, even those in IT, would agree with)
I don't. But then again, I think anybody with a college degree should really be worth $200,000 a year. Those with Business degrees certainly think so, so why should IT be any different?
then the end of the bubble means that salaries return to a reasonable value.
Salaries aren't supposed to go down- regardless of changes in the stock market and the artificial "boom bust" cycle.
Everyone I know in IT, including myself, is making plenty of money, so I'm not seeing a problem.
Then you must not know very many people.
Finding your first job out of college can be a pain, since everyone seems to want people with experience- but once you're in you have a lot of options to choose from.
I've got 12 years of experience- and still spent the last 5 contracting because I couldn't find a real job. I only just now got health insurance coverage again. When there are 7 billion applicants, anybody can be replaced.
They have created an industry, and are competing very well.
So they provide more services to their fellow countrymen than to other nations, using only their own currency and not relying on foreign sources of investment and debt?
They are offering their services and any one is free to get them for a fee. Yes it is hurts but atleast people are not dying here.
That's only a matter of time before those who have been hurt by this line those who have profited from it up against a wall and shoot them as the traitors they are.
That is what happened during the industrial "revolution" when the west introduced their mass produced, cheap goods to the east, driving a lot of people out of work and into death from starvation.
And maybe, just maybe, that was a bad mistake.
Interestingly faulty logic. The United States could exist just fine without patriotism, if it replaced it with a shred of common sense.
No nation can exist without patriotism- it takes a patriot to give up their life to protect a country from invasion. Laws cannot exist without patriots.
Exactly. One of the other empires which declared independence could have done an excellent job. One not founded on religious persecution and civil war.
All empires are founded on religious persecution and civil war. There has never been an empire that wasn't.
Why would they outlaw money in their own country?
I said outlaw DOLLARS, not money. The key is to create a stable money supply at home first using NATIVE currency, not US dollars.
I'm having trouble following your argument, and knowing exactly what side you're arguing for...
I'm arguing for the side of local trade and banning foreign trade.
Exactly how are they competing unfairly?
With lower standard of living.
And why do they need to "create they our industry"?
I said Create their OWN industry. As in India should support their own companies and buy locally.
Does that mean that American firms shouldn't be making anything that was invented somewhere else?
No, that means that American firms should make 100% of their "Made in America" items in America, down to the last magnet or capacitor.
Competition makes everyone better off
That's completely unproven and only a statement of faith.
just look at the progress for the last century and it becomes abundantly clear.
The progress of the last century was about warfare, not competition, and the largest leaps in progress were all standardized government programs under the Department of Defense.
The only argument that opponents of outsourcing have is good old protectionism which does nothing but make everyone poorer.
Another completely unproven statement. For instance, if we treated the competition with the seriousness it deserves, then we'd simply nuke India- a few hundred million dead and the business would come back to the United States where it belongs.
Everyone outsources - its only when outsourcing can be colored with xenophobia that it gains any traction at all.
Another unproven statement. Do you have anything other than religious faith for your beliefs?
This study *IS* what CxOs say. That's the population who made up the survey. IT folks are not C-level executives, for the simple reason that you need to have a social life to be a C-level executive.
Ok, so.... you still haven't explained where patriotism comes into play,
Without patriotism the United States would not exist- we would have failed to become a nation to begin with and would have been:
if the world would, in fact, have been better off if the United States had not economically raped and corrupted the many developing nations that would have,
If it hadn't have been the United States, it would have been the British Empire- who were invading the "Developing world" long before the United States was a country.
that would have, instead, provided the world with a stable money supply.
There's nothing keeping them from doing it today if they were so inclined. The first step is to outlaw the use of dollars in your country.
Marxist (not a smear -- that's his handle), do you think it would be fair to say that since 1900 in America over 100 million jobs have been "destroyed" by outsourcing and technology?
By technology before 1950, and by outsourcing after 1963, yes. I make that distinction of periods of time for a reason- there's a SIGNIFICANT difference in jobs created by technology that fueled the expansion of the middle class before 1963, and outsourcing that has destroyed the middle class since then.
Such as horse trainers, carriage makers, textile workers, etc. Would you say that the forces responsible for that caused less real compensation?
Horse trainers and carriage makers found good union jobs in the auto industry. Textile workers were just dumped into welfare. For the first group, there was an increase in real compensation, for the second there has been a real loss when compared to inflation.
Why didn't that person save while they were "high on the hog" and bury the money in an index of companies so as to insure against falling behind?
In 2001 there was a stock market crash if you didn't notice- investment is usually a bad idea when the economy goes south. In fact, the stock market in general is just a method to steal money from investors and give it to stock brokers and C-level executives.
Didn't slashdot just have a thread about the rules of engagement in a job interview?
I missed it if they did- I sometimes don't read on the weekends.
Why do you think searching for employees and employers is so hard to do?
Because, by and large, American lifestyles are priced out of the market.
I originally read about it in the Programmer's Guild Newsletter, back in 2002. One of the sharper eyed members had noticed the reduction in the American Labor force from 86 million to 64 million between 1999 and 2002, and a similar increase in the disabled/displaced/discouraged numbers that aren't officially a part of the labor force.
Oh, I gotta hear the explanation for that logic....
Up until the creation of the European Union, the United States government was the *ONLY* government to provide a stable money supply for the world. If the United States didn't exist, there would be no reserve currency at all until recently. In the competition to provide the world with a stable money supply, the European Union are our enemies.
I'm not entirely sure why so many people believe that hiring an American is somehow more virtuous than hiring a foreigner.
It's called patriotism. I'm sure it's a value you've never heard of before, because the type of person that would throw away money overseas doesn't care enough about the United States to begin with to bother.
Is it just thinly disguised racism?
No, it's completely undisguised competitivism- Economics as warfare and every country on their own with no allies.
A belief that Americans are more worthy of a job because of where they happened to be born?
Nope- nothing to do with that, for the patriotic will gladly hire the legal immigrant who has given up foreign allegiance as quickly as a natural born citizen.
Or is it just a fear that they aren't as qualified for their own job as someone else could be?
Nobody is so qualified for their job that they can't be replaced by somebody who makes $2 a day. No skillset is so unique that it can't be duplicated in 7 billion people, so essentially there is no such person who is so qualified for their job that they can't be replaced in a system that gives no value to keeping the job local.
And invariably that "other demand" will pay less and have fewer benefits, thus resulting in a net loss to the individual involved. This is accomplished by keeping the person out of work until they are bankrupt and forced to take the next offer regardless of what it is. That's how come 1/6th of America no longer has health insurance, retirement benefits, or paid family leave, and why we have HALF the vacation time on average compared to Europe.
"frees up those Americans to satisfy some other demand." is just code for "Break Americans out of the middle class and put them into poverty".
I'm glad that profit means more to me than patriotism, because patriotism is one of the greatest evils perpetuated in the world (profit is still a great evil, but behind patriotism by a few places!)
Where I completely reverse that. For without patriotism, there would be no profit!
Is there really a skilled labour shortage? Everyone who works in HR at an IT company or a company with an IT department seems to think so.
That's because the real skilled labor shortage is in HR departments who know NOTHING about IT to begin with and wouldn't know a skilled worker if they hacked in and stole the HR person's bank account information. HR people are idiots who couldn't program their way out of a paper bag and can't be counted on as a valid source of information in IT skills.
Unemployment in the 00's is lower than unemployment was in the 90s. or 80s. or 70s.
Only if you don't add in the 20% loss in the labor force due to the DOL illegally reclassifying people as disabled.
I do not understand all the whining about lost jobs due to offshoring.
Of course you don't if you're profiting from it- in other words are a traitor.
Sure it sucks in your case, but that is one anecdote, where the statistics at large paint a different picture.
Not the real statistics- only the fakes put out by the DOL to make Bush look good.
None of those "little victories" are victories. They're all substandard pay jobs at smaller companies.
Everyone knows that the only jobs that count are the jobs in the United States. The rest of the folks in the world don't need jobs, they just need government cheese.
Wrong. What we're really saying is that instead of being parasites on American businesses, maybe they should create an industry of their own and compete with us fairly instead of stealing jobs.
The equation isn't 2+0=2 to the middle class. The equation is 2-1=1 to the Middle Class. You can lie with artithmetic as easily as any other language.
Under 5% unemployment is termed "full employment".
The only idiots to claim that are class warriors attacking the middle class. One day the middle class will figure out that they're being attacked, and bullets will be flying in the economics departments of major colleges for insults such as this.
Hint to idiots: "Full Employment" to most people means 0% unemployment, not moving 20% of the labor force to disability to create an artificial 5% unemployment rate.