I have only one thing to say: Here is a quote from the article, read it and think.
Historically, Microsoft has made a living by jumping into a new market and proposing a standard that does not include its entrenched leader--in this case, AOL. Two years ago, Microsoft tried to establish a standard for data warehousing without Oracle's involvement. Oracle, a database giant, balked at the proposal originally, but it recently succumbed and announced support for the standard.
If its without a GUI, try perl and postgreSQLl If its with a gui, I believe tcltk&postgresql is a good choice.
Wanna make it web-compatible? Sure, use PHP3&postgresql under Apache.
For Corba, you have me there, there isn't a good rapid-prototyping languge under UNIX. C/C++/Java doesn't cut it. Here is where UNIX's C heritage does stink a bit.
The US pays an incredible due to the world, both in aid, but also in knowledge and research. (How long would it take 3rd world countries to accomplish fiber-optics, computer, and such.)
Not to mention the loans, aid, military presence, and everything else. Take the US's dues out of that and you have tens of billion each year left.
The US is a very very rich society, such an impressive expenditure is only a fraction of their riches. Just because its a small percentage of such a rich society doesn't make it a small expenditure in absolute terms.
Look closer, He's got a bid of $2,550.00 and the reserve isn't met yet?!?
He's only making 1000% profit and he wants to sell it for more?
I hope he never sells it for more than $100. What do you wanna bet that the reserve price is something ludicrus like $10,000, or maybe $100,000.
Tools evolve at breakneck speed, skills don't.
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Home Sweet Sweatshop
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When you say skills, what do you mean? Do you really mean skills (like knowing OO, knowing how to perform formal verification, knowing the design of an job-event loop? How a 3d renderer works? The nature of a relational database), or just knowing a particular tool like Java, C++, VC++, VB, Win32s, ORACLE?
Give us an example of what 'skills' you need. Or is it that you don't give much of a damn about 'skills', but just people who know a particular assortment of tools. Tools evolve at breakneck speed, skills change slowly,
OO is a skill, Java/C++/Objective C/VC/EGCS are just tools.
Database programming is a skill, Oracle/Developer/Db2/Informix are just tools.
CGI programming is a skill, Perl/ASP/Php3 are just tools.
(even-driven/threaded/message-driven) GUI programming is a skill, Win32s, X windows, Mac, those are just tools.
Do you really want skills, or do you just want people who know a few specific tools?
My business at Carnegie Mellon University is to learn skills, not to learn tools.
Whom do you want? Someone who understands the skills, or someone who just knows how to use some particular tools, tools that will be obsoleted in 2 years?
I agree that this is somewhat true in the community college area. But here, at Carnegie Mellon, going to college has been awesome. I've done research in many independent fields, I'll have a first-rate CS degree, and I have a lot of fun too.
Do you really want to not go to college? Remember, not getting a college degree means that you compete against those who do not have a college degree, and those who do for jobs and work. So, the supply is much greater, salaries, working conditions, and job security will reflect that. You become just another peon. Whats to keep them from hiring a recent HS or college graduate in 5 years? By your standards, they will be just as skilled or even more skilled than you, plus younger and willing to work cheaper.
An education is an investment, accomplishing that investment gives greater security, because it isn't cheap, and not anyone can obtain those skills quickly.
College doesn't keep you away from the world, if anything it teaches technology that is just coming into use. Now, you may not learn how to use the most recent Tools (like programming languages, developer tools, etc.) But since when are tools considered technology? Tools are an implementation of technology, not technology themselves.
Finally, if anything, I am over a decade AHEAD of the technology, much as OO coders were in the early 80's.
Read it more carefully. There is a huge shortage of cheap recent college graduates. That is what these employers want, not the run-of-the-mill coder.
Statistics show that there is no shortage of workers, only a shortage of cheap workers, peons.
I hold to this belief, thus I plan on at least a doctorate, with signifigant research into tasks and subareas of computer science that are likely to become mainstream in a decade or two, not now. (formal methods and formal verification)
I am making sure that I will not be a peon, because peon's are cheap, easy to replace, and not highly trained. How many of the other people here do not have signifigant expenditure into learning? Medical Doctors, Ph D's, and similar occupations have the property that those with the knowledge are not peon's, they cannot be easily and cheaply replaced, and any sudden demand takes 4-8 years to fill.
Would any of you want to go into a job that many HS students with a year or two of college education, or even no education past HS, can compete with for a job? Thus you are easily replaced, therefore the salary is cheap, and working conditions atrocious.
Actually, What I'd like with netscape would be for it to stuff a lot of its functionality into dynamic libraries so it doesn't even bother to load the JVM or JScript (which I leave disabled), the mail/news client (which I never use), CSS (which in NS 4.08 requires JScript, which I disable), the bookmarks editor (which I only use occasionally, the history viewer (which I use once in a while).
Being a plugin architecture isn't enough if you automatically load in all available plugins into memory immediately.
Maybe we need to throw mozilla through gnu ropes to get its paging and function orginazation coherent.
Speaking of this, can anyone offer an explanation why the preferences dialog is SO BLOODY SLOW?
You have to believe someone and what they claim is going on.. Do you think CNN has impartial reporting? Hell no, they ignore some stories, and emphasize what they want about the stories they post.
Slashdot isn't much different. Perhaps if harvard or JP decided to post on here and respond in a reasonalbe manner things would be different. They have had the opportunity to speak out, and haven't. Is that our fault?
Two questions, was this what was actually sent? It might be.
Next question, were there such pics as he described on the site? If there were then harvard was right to drop the server, but not the contents of the server, immediately. If there weren't, and those pics were part of JB's paranoid imagination, then harvard and JB should be slapped, hard.
Likely JB chose just the right words to get harvard to drop it immediately, without getting them to check if the accusations actually were true, to force them to act as if they were true. Had harvard not dropped it immediately, and the accusations were true, then JB might have probable cause for suing.
Harvard is not completely to blame, but they completely mishandled it. Had they just taken it down momentarily to VERIFY the accusations and consult, likely nothing would have happened. But rather JP and their own nature caused them to act heavy-handed, and they did.
If there is one thing that the internet despises, its heavy handed behaivor companies or organizations squashing the little guy.
Better yet, how about asking them if they would treat a student in this fashion?
Don't be a non-conformist student at harvard and annoy a litigious individual, they'll take your $50,000 then kick you out with a tarnished reputation, no degree, and a bunch of failing marks!
So ask them, if you're a prospective student or graduate student, mention that too.
Its not theft! You are handing out copies of it to everyone anyways. Hell, everyone browsing the website gets a copy!
Its giving them the rights to 'duplicate' your work, this does not give you any fewer rights to the sale of your work than you had before.
If it can be duplicated freely, how can it be property? If its not property, how can duplicating be theft?
Re: New Copyleft License
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Nice idea... Except that (in email) RMS thinks that a 3 year term is a little excessive, and wanted a term along the lines of a year or so.
Do you have a URL for this?
Freedom requires obligations.
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Free software isn't free in that one can use the code for any purpose, that would be public domain or anarchy. There is an obligation to using 'free software' source code. It is that any derivative works must also release source code.. One may still sell the application, one does not have to pay any fee for using the source code.
How is this not free? You can use the software for no price, you only have to accept a minor obligation. Thus the code is available for use free/gratis. I see no misuse of the term free/gratis by the free software community.
Freedom in practice requires obligations too. It permits one to think and act as they see fit, but ALSO obligates them to respect how others think and act.
If free/freedom means that I can act anyway I wish, then to say I cannot perform theft, murder, or any other things known as crime is infringing on that freedom. ``My freedom to swing my fist ends where your nose begins''. You have an obligation to respect others freedom's too.
Thus freedom, like `free software' incurs an obligations. I see no misuse of the term libre or free/freedom as used by free software.
I can imagine why many software developers are angry and annoyed at the GPL, and the codebase under the GPL. They see a beautiful codebase with many useful algorithms and other material, they hear 'free', but -- like freedom -- do not think of the counterbalancing obligations, then they see that they cannot grab that code and exploit it as they wish.
Is it that they are angry that so much high-quality code is just tantalizingly out of reach? Is it that they are in a proprietary mindset and want to freeload off that codebase, and find out they can't? Do they hate the competetion it gives them?
The obligation for using GPL code is either amazingly cheap, (if you believe in free software where all can study it), or incredibly expensive, (if one believes that source code is the crown jewels of a company or product)
Freedom to speak incurs similar obligations. It can be amazingly cheap when you are hearing opinions you agree with. It may also be incredibly expensive when you see the Klu Klux Klan burning an american flag in a rally near a local community center or schoool.
Convergence
Test2. (why didn't it use my name?)
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Slashdot Mirror
I have only one thing to say: Here is a quote from the article, read it and think.
Historically, Microsoft has made a living by
jumping into a new market and proposing a
standard that does not include its entrenched
leader--in this case, AOL. Two years ago,
Microsoft tried to establish a standard for data
warehousing without Oracle's involvement.
Oracle, a database giant, balked at the proposal
originally, but it recently succumbed and
announced support for the standard.
Is that a database app with out without a GUI?
If its without a GUI, try perl and postgreSQLl If its with a gui, I believe tcltk&postgresql is a good choice.
Wanna make it web-compatible? Sure, use PHP3&postgresql under Apache.
For Corba, you have me there, there isn't a good rapid-prototyping languge under UNIX. C/C++/Java doesn't cut it. Here is where UNIX's C heritage does stink a bit.
So, whats the problem?
Exactly.
The US pays an incredible due to the world, both in aid, but also in knowledge and research. (How long would it take 3rd world countries to accomplish fiber-optics, computer, and such.)
Not to mention the loans, aid, military presence, and everything else. Take the US's dues out of that and you have tens of billion each year left.
The US is a very very rich society, such an impressive expenditure is only a fraction of their riches. Just because its a small percentage of such a rich society doesn't make it a small expenditure in absolute terms.
Don't discount the billions.
Look closer, He's got a bid of $2,550.00 and the reserve isn't met yet?!?
He's only making 1000% profit and he wants to sell it for more?
I hope he never sells it for more than $100. What do you wanna bet that the reserve price is something ludicrus like $10,000, or maybe $100,000.
When you say skills, what do you mean? Do you really mean skills (like knowing OO, knowing how to perform formal verification, knowing the design of an job-event loop? How a 3d renderer works? The nature of a relational database), or just knowing a particular tool like Java, C++, VC++, VB, Win32s, ORACLE?
Give us an example of what 'skills' you need. Or is it that you don't give much of a damn about 'skills', but just people who know a particular assortment of tools. Tools evolve at breakneck speed, skills change slowly,
OO is a skill, Java/C++/Objective C/VC/EGCS are just tools.
Database programming is a skill, Oracle/Developer/Db2/Informix are just tools.
CGI programming is a skill, Perl/ASP/Php3 are just tools.
(even-driven/threaded/message-driven) GUI programming is a skill, Win32s, X windows, Mac, those are just tools.
Do you really want skills, or do you just want people who know a few specific tools?
My business at Carnegie Mellon University is to learn skills, not to learn tools.
Whom do you want? Someone who understands the skills, or someone who just knows how to use some particular tools, tools that will be obsoleted in 2 years?
Huh.
I agree that this is somewhat true in the community college area. But here, at Carnegie Mellon, going to college has been awesome. I've done research in many independent fields, I'll have a first-rate CS degree, and I have a lot of fun too.
Do you really want to not go to college? Remember, not getting a college degree means that you compete against those who do not have a college degree, and those who do for jobs and work. So, the supply is much greater, salaries, working conditions, and job security will reflect that. You become just another peon. Whats to keep them from hiring a recent HS or college graduate in 5 years? By your standards, they will be just as skilled or even more skilled than you, plus younger and willing to work cheaper.
An education is an investment, accomplishing that investment gives greater security, because it isn't cheap, and not anyone can obtain those skills quickly.
College doesn't keep you away from the world, if anything it teaches technology that is just coming into use. Now, you may not learn how to use the most recent Tools (like programming languages, developer tools, etc.) But since when are tools considered technology? Tools are an implementation of technology, not technology themselves.
Finally, if anything, I am over a decade AHEAD of the technology, much as OO coders were in the early 80's.
Read it more carefully. There is a huge shortage of cheap recent college graduates. That is what these employers want, not the run-of-the-mill coder.
Statistics show that there is no shortage of workers, only a shortage of cheap workers, peons.
I hold to this belief, thus I plan on at least a doctorate, with signifigant research into tasks and subareas of computer science that are likely to become mainstream in a decade or two, not now. (formal methods and formal verification)
I am making sure that I will not be a peon, because peon's are cheap, easy to replace, and not highly trained. How many of the other people here do not have signifigant expenditure into learning? Medical Doctors, Ph D's, and similar occupations have the property that those with the knowledge are not peon's, they cannot be easily and cheaply replaced, and any sudden demand takes 4-8 years to fill.
Would any of you want to go into a job that many HS students with a year or two of college education, or even no education past HS, can compete with for a job? Thus you are easily replaced, therefore the salary is cheap, and working conditions atrocious.
Actually, What I'd like with netscape would be for it to stuff a lot of its functionality into dynamic libraries so it doesn't even bother to load the JVM or JScript (which I leave disabled), the mail/news client (which I never use), CSS (which in NS 4.08 requires JScript, which I disable), the bookmarks editor (which I only use occasionally, the history viewer (which I use once in a while).
Being a plugin architecture isn't enough if you automatically load in all available plugins into memory immediately.
Maybe we need to throw mozilla through gnu ropes to get its paging and function orginazation coherent.
Speaking of this, can anyone offer an explanation why the preferences dialog is SO BLOODY SLOW?
You have to believe someone and what they claim is going on.. Do you think CNN has impartial reporting? Hell no, they ignore some stories, and emphasize what they want about the stories they post.
Slashdot isn't much different. Perhaps if harvard or JP decided to post on here and respond in a reasonalbe manner things would be different. They have had the opportunity to speak out, and haven't. Is that our fault?
Two questions, was this what was actually sent? It might be.
Next question, were there such pics as he described on the site? If there were then harvard was right to drop the server, but not the contents of the server, immediately. If there weren't, and those pics were part of JB's paranoid imagination, then harvard and JB should be slapped, hard.
Likely JB chose just the right words to get harvard to drop it immediately, without getting them to check if the accusations actually were true, to force them to act as if they were true. Had harvard not dropped it immediately, and the accusations were true, then JB might have probable cause for suing.
Harvard is not completely to blame, but they completely mishandled it. Had they just taken it down momentarily to VERIFY the accusations and consult, likely nothing would have happened. But rather JP and their own nature caused them to act heavy-handed, and they did.
If there is one thing that the internet despises, its heavy handed behaivor companies or organizations squashing the little guy.
Better yet, how about asking them if they would treat a student in this fashion?
Don't be a non-conformist student at harvard and annoy a litigious individual, they'll take your $50,000 then kick you out with a tarnished reputation, no degree, and a bunch of failing marks!
So ask them, if you're a prospective student or graduate student, mention that too.
Its not theft! You are handing out copies of it to everyone anyways. Hell, everyone browsing the website gets a copy!
Its giving them the rights to 'duplicate' your work, this does not give you any fewer rights to the sale of your work than you had before.
If it can be duplicated freely, how can it be property? If its not property, how can duplicating be theft?
Nice idea... Except that (in email) RMS thinks that a 3 year term is a little excessive, and wanted a term along the lines of a year or so.
Do you have a URL for this?
Free software isn't free in that one can use the code for any purpose, that would be public domain or anarchy. There is an obligation to using 'free software' source code. It is that any derivative works must also release source code.. One may still sell the application, one does not have to pay any fee for using the source code.
How is this not free? You can use the software for no price, you only have to accept a minor obligation. Thus the code is available for use free/gratis. I see no misuse of the term free/gratis by the free software community.
Freedom in practice requires obligations too. It permits one to think and act as they see fit, but ALSO obligates them to respect how others think and act.
If free/freedom means that I can act anyway I wish, then to say I cannot perform theft, murder, or any other things known as crime is infringing on that freedom. ``My freedom to swing my fist ends where your nose begins''. You have an obligation to respect others freedom's too.
Thus freedom, like `free software' incurs an obligations. I see no misuse of the term libre or free/freedom as used by free software.
I can imagine why many software developers are angry and annoyed at the GPL, and the codebase under the GPL. They see a beautiful codebase with many useful algorithms and other material, they hear 'free', but -- like freedom -- do not think of the counterbalancing obligations, then they see that they cannot grab that code and exploit it as they wish.
Is it that they are angry that so much high-quality code is just tantalizingly out of reach? Is it that they are in a proprietary mindset and want to freeload off that codebase, and find out they can't? Do they hate the competetion it gives them?
The obligation for using GPL code is either amazingly cheap, (if you believe in free software where all can study it), or incredibly expensive, (if one believes that source code is the crown jewels of a company or product)
Freedom to speak incurs similar obligations. It can be amazingly cheap when you are hearing opinions you agree with. It may also be incredibly expensive when you see the Klu Klux Klan burning an american flag in a rally near a local community center or schoool.
Convergence
Test2