Hence the reason why many folks see a democratic republic as superior to a pure democracy. Of course, there aren't many pure democracies around in the form of national governments. None that I can think of, in fact.
Do you see why some of us prefer the BSD license? It is so simple. You don't have to have lawyers poring over the verbiage to see what you can and can't do, and it's not nearly as likely to lead to involved discussions without a clear resolution, such as this thread.
I don't hate the GPL at all and I don't begrudge people using it; I just have a personal preference for BSD. It's not a holy war, though. I keep re-examining my reasoning.
So in other words if I tell my minion to violate the law, giving him to understand what I ask of him is legal, both he and I are exempt from prosecution for that action?
No, cold shutdown means exactly what it says, and is a true description, and has not been redefined in any way. Cold shutdown does not inherently imply that damage has not been wreaked which makes the problem continue to be severe for a lengthy period afterward.
The number of generators was not an issue. They had plenty. They could have had 5,000 generators "distributed over the site", and every one of them would have been trashed by the tsunami. Even if not, they wouldn't have been able to hook them up in time, anyway, with the wiring and control panels trashed by the tsunami.
The real problem was that all the critical areas and points were not protected against tsunami heights that were entirely predictable and known to be entirely possible.
Good point about the stunning lack of any measures for dealing with hydrogen gas.
The linked article is a crappy polemic which basically doesn't contribute anything. Cold shutdown is cold shutdown. Not more, and not less. It's a term that means exactly what it says. And it's not a new definition by any means.
I'm not saying it's going to happen soon enough. But it's not going to stand, and if enough of us won't put up with it, maybe that day will be hastened. The Colorado law is a good sign.
Day-um!!! It's a good day when I learn something new (most days are good days). I do think they should briefly, like, actually SAY that on the label. "In order of concentration by weight" doesn't take up much space.
If that does happen, it's a violation. Look, I'm strongly against the absurd fringe patents of software, processes, business methods, and the like, and I'm not in favor of ANY patents under the present absurd system, but if they are going to exist in the first place, then outright violations should be shot down on sight.
Benzene is a chemical commonly pumped into the ground? Well, fuck me sideways. It's the end of reason. Benzene is a known carcinogen. In particular, Acute myeloid leukemia or acute non-lymphocytic leukemia is not disputed to be caused by benzene. It depresses the immune system. It causes chromosomal damage. It causes neural birth defects. It's more toxic than toluene. Benzene is a quote "notorious cause" unquote of bone marrow failure. The American Petroleum Institute (API) stated in 1948 that "it is generally considered that the only absolutely safe concentration for benzene is zero." The EPA maximum allowable contaminant level for benzene in drinking water is 5 parts per BILLION. The short term for airborne benzene exposure for 15 MINUTES is 5 parts per MILLION.
When you're right, you're right. In 2005 the House was Republican controlled, the Senate was Republican controlled, the White House was Republican controlled and virtually nothing good got done, but here is a fine example of one very great evil getting done.
there is no evidence fracking impacts any water supply
That is one of the most frivolous and cavalier points I have ever heard in my life. If a fracker pumps toxic shit into the ground, it is completely up to him to demonstrate and guarantee that no harm can come to the water supply. If the ground water is currently in use, he should have to post a bond for possible damages if he turns out to be... oops... wrong. He should have to pay for meticulous monitoring at all points of use. If the ground water is not currently supplying anyone, he should have to post a bond to make good on future damages to anyone who wants to use it and finds that his actions to enrich self and stockholders have ruined the natural state of the local environment status quo ante.
Re (1): in the steady state long term, just what do you think he is going to do with the water where it can end up any other place than either back in the groundwater, or back in the atmosphere ready to make more rain?
What the Hell do people think someone capturing rainwater for personal use is doing? He's intercepting a tiny amount of water on its way into the water table, and then pissing it back out into a septic system where the only possible place it could end up is back in the water table. I'm assuming we're talking about rural or semi rural areas here, where the impact is going to be infinitesimal.
Agribusiness using huge quantities of rainwater could be a different story, but even here it either ends up back in the water table, or evaporates back into the atmosphere where... wait for it... it increases the amount of moisture available for forming rain.
They are fucking dreaming if they think that this shit will hold. There is an imperative for the commons to be informed of the specifics of any proposed tampering with common resources like the water table, and a right to object.
What impresses me is that some exemption ever did make it perfectly legal to pump shit into the water table without any specific disclosure, let alone the necessity for any approval supported by science.
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Hence the reason why many folks see a democratic republic as superior to a pure democracy. Of course, there aren't many pure democracies around in the form of national governments. None that I can think of, in fact.
License violation. AFAIK, FSF's exceptions to misuse are based on license violations, not copyright violations. I could be wrong ...
Do you see why some of us prefer the BSD license? It is so simple. You don't have to have lawyers poring over the verbiage to see what you can and can't do, and it's not nearly as likely to lead to involved discussions without a clear resolution, such as this thread.
I don't hate the GPL at all and I don't begrudge people using it; I just have a personal preference for BSD. It's not a holy war, though. I keep re-examining my reasoning.
So in other words if I tell my minion to violate the law, giving him to understand what I ask of him is legal, both he and I are exempt from prosecution for that action?
No, cold shutdown means exactly what it says, and is a true description, and has not been redefined in any way. Cold shutdown does not inherently imply that damage has not been wreaked which makes the problem continue to be severe for a lengthy period afterward.
The number of generators was not an issue. They had plenty. They could have had 5,000 generators "distributed over the site", and every one of them would have been trashed by the tsunami. Even if not, they wouldn't have been able to hook them up in time, anyway, with the wiring and control panels trashed by the tsunami.
The real problem was that all the critical areas and points were not protected against tsunami heights that were entirely predictable and known to be entirely possible.
Good point about the stunning lack of any measures for dealing with hydrogen gas.
I agree. They created a new definition to fit this scenario. They are calling it a "cold shutdown condition".
http://nukespeak.org/2011/12/08/fukushimas-cold-shutdown-condition/
The linked article is a crappy polemic which basically doesn't contribute anything. Cold shutdown is cold shutdown. Not more, and not less. It's a term that means exactly what it says. And it's not a new definition by any means.
Depends on where "here" is, eh?
Very interesting way to deal with violations of standards - just redefine the standards to make the violation go away. Not buying it.
I'm not saying it's going to happen soon enough. But it's not going to stand, and if enough of us won't put up with it, maybe that day will be hastened. The Colorado law is a good sign.
Day-um!!! It's a good day when I learn something new (most days are good days). I do think they should briefly, like, actually SAY that on the label. "In order of concentration by weight" doesn't take up much space.
Shhh, the Reptiles are listening ...
I believe that is consonant with my comment. Not everyone only does what they are compelled to do. I have BSD licensed some of my own code.
Yes. Very valid point. I was only addressing the remark about patents.
I consider that practice a fundamental violation and agree that it should be stamped out.
If that does happen, it's a violation. Look, I'm strongly against the absurd fringe patents of software, processes, business methods, and the like, and I'm not in favor of ANY patents under the present absurd system, but if they are going to exist in the first place, then outright violations should be shot down on sight.
Benzene is a chemical commonly pumped into the ground? Well, fuck me sideways. It's the end of reason. Benzene is a known carcinogen. In particular, Acute myeloid leukemia or acute non-lymphocytic leukemia is not disputed to be caused by benzene. It depresses the immune system. It causes chromosomal damage. It causes neural birth defects. It's more toxic than toluene. Benzene is a quote "notorious cause" unquote of bone marrow failure. The American Petroleum Institute (API) stated in 1948 that "it is generally considered that the only absolutely safe concentration for benzene is zero." The EPA maximum allowable contaminant level for benzene in drinking water is 5 parts per BILLION. The short term for airborne benzene exposure for 15 MINUTES is 5 parts per MILLION.
And that counters his arguments how? Hmmm?
When you're right, you're right. In 2005 the House was Republican controlled, the Senate was Republican controlled, the White House was Republican controlled and virtually nothing good got done, but here is a fine example of one very great evil getting done.
Mod parent up.
That is one of the most frivolous and cavalier points I have ever heard in my life. If a fracker pumps toxic shit into the ground, it is completely up to him to demonstrate and guarantee that no harm can come to the water supply. If the ground water is currently in use, he should have to post a bond for possible damages if he turns out to be ... oops ... wrong. He should have to pay for meticulous monitoring at all points of use. If the ground water is not currently supplying anyone, he should have to post a bond to make good on future damages to anyone who wants to use it and finds that his actions to enrich self and stockholders have ruined the natural state of the local environment status quo ante.
Where does it say they are listed in order of quantity? That doesn't appear do be the case in any of the food packaging I am looking at.
Re (1): in the steady state long term, just what do you think he is going to do with the water where it can end up any other place than either back in the groundwater, or back in the atmosphere ready to make more rain?
What the Hell do people think someone capturing rainwater for personal use is doing? He's intercepting a tiny amount of water on its way into the water table, and then pissing it back out into a septic system where the only possible place it could end up is back in the water table. I'm assuming we're talking about rural or semi rural areas here, where the impact is going to be infinitesimal.
Agribusiness using huge quantities of rainwater could be a different story, but even here it either ends up back in the water table, or evaporates back into the atmosphere where ... wait for it ... it increases the amount of moisture available for forming rain.
They are fucking dreaming if they think that this shit will hold. There is an imperative for the commons to be informed of the specifics of any proposed tampering with common resources like the water table, and a right to object.
What impresses me is that some exemption ever did make it perfectly legal to pump shit into the water table without any specific disclosure, let alone the necessity for any approval supported by science.