They're not fully customizable. by 'fully customizable' I mean more than 'being able to skin'. For one thing you can't do things like move the standard buttons and the address bar all up onto the same row, saving screen space.
And if mozilla loads at the same speed as IE6 on your girlfriends' laptop, I suggest you get her laptop looked at, seeing as how there sounds like there's something wrong with it. IE6 loads instantly even on my meagre hardware, compared with 10 seconds to load mozilla and 5 to load phoenix (compared with almost 15 to load on a standard, fresh install of debian 3 on the same hardware). For that matter, i'm fully aware how IE works and I think its a good thing. If its the single most-used application on 90% of Windows computers, why not cache it on startup? Why not integrate it into the operating system and let other parts of the OS draw on the same resources? That sounds like a remarkably efficient idea to me. Why can't mozilla cache itself like that? Phoenix can at the moment but the last I heard was that feature was going to be removed in the next release because of 'compatibility problems'. That sounds like a rather large step in the wrong direction for me, as they certainly won't have secured me as a user until they can sort it out.
And as for smooth scrolling, why did you even bother to argue the point? The fact is that mozilla can't do it. Wether or not you think that it's a useful features probably depends on things like how much you value your computers' ability to render all these fancy 'colours' and interface with one of these new-fangled 'mice' devices. I don't appreciate IE any more for having it, but I sure as hell missed it when I switched to mozilla and it wasn't there.
AHAHAH! I take my hat off to you, sir. What a gimmick! Advocating Xfree86 on the desktop! I wish I had thought of that. Comedy gold! And claiming that Windows is unstable, too. And that Xfree86 is simple and intuitive to administer. That was the icing on the cake.
Oh wait. You're...serious? Please God no.
If Linux as a modern consumer operating system could be said to have a weakness, its Xfree86. It's a fucking toy-- A broken one at that. Xfree86 is the achillies heal of every Linux zealot who is worth his weight in flour, and the fact that you're pimping it as a serious alternative to Windows just goes to prove how utterly little you know what you're on about!
I like how you're so quick to call 'FUD' on everyone's arguments against X in this thread, when for most users, the points they're making are the absolute black and white truth. I also admire your sheer fucking gall to call Windows unstable by comparison. By making this statement, you're either affirming yourself to be a bumbling fuckwit unable to keep the most widely used OS in the world working straight for more than a few hours, or you're just trying to hold obsolete versions of windows up against the latest releases of X and hoping no-one notices. I hate to break it to you, but either way you lose, seeing as how even the older versions of Windows are more stable and better featured than even the latest builds of X, gnome, KDE and every single fucking 2-bit window manager out there. Combined.
If you took 5 minutes out of your fucking fantasy land and actually looked long and hard at your average X session, you might be able to see what normal, every day people have to put up with. But then you probably pull out X-kill so many times a day it's as to you as swatting flies is to a man living in a house made of elephant shit.
Does anyone remember those 'amazing discoveries' infomercials? With the hideously bad actors who potrayed simple, day-to-day activities with so much confusion and fear on their faces that they looked as if they were trying to tie their shoelaces using only 1 finger on each hand? And then you'd cut away to the sheer glee on their faces as the Amazotron 6000 tied their shoelaces for them in only twice as long? That is how I find best describes the X zealot. Whereas normal human beings are content going about their day-to-day lives using tried-and-tested ways and methods, these fuckwits just can't stand to conform to the 'norm. They'd much rather be off pioneering new and exciting ways to do menal tasks that everyone else has no problem with. The only problem is: They're still about 5 years behind everyone else! and they're not gaining any ground at all! Oh No!
See folks, while Linux is an excellent, versatile, stable platform ideal for nearly every server-app under the sun, Xfree86 is a half-arsed crack at the wonderful X windowing system, which isn't even fit for gabage. never mind the desktop. Us Windows users have got that covered, thanks.
I'm surpised you've managed to draw any conclusions at all, seeing as how once again you've failed to read my fucking post. I said I've trying everything SINCE 2.0. including woody.
I will be useful and advise you: try learning to read and comprehend English. Fucknaught.
Aparently you either didn't read what I posted, or you just couldn't get the concept around your puny mind. At the risk of repeating myself, I'll re-iterate, trying to keep to nice, simple words this time. I like Linux. I don't like you, or people like you.
> Sounds like a subjective claim. -1, Flamebait.
Rating my arguments like how slashdot moderates posts. How refreshingly original and funny. You are a comedy golden God. Have you by chance seen the comedy genius that is the "in soviet russia" meme yet? I think you'd like it, it's mind-numbling banal too.
Anway. That all depends on what you want out of your windowing system, really, doesn't it? OK, I'll make an ass out of myself with an assumption here, (see what I did there? that was funny) if you want something that is unstable, under-developed and shows no real direction as a GUI, go ahead and install xfree86. If you want something that will stumble and crash when faced with the most trival of tasks, install xfree86. If you want something that only barely supports the most basic features of most old and new hardware, install xfree86. However, anyone who actually uses their hardware for more than just playing with should look elsewhere.
These aren't subjective claims. If you'd take off your tickly rose-tinted glasses and take a look at xfree86, you might just catch a glimpse of the shambles that everyone in the real world knows it to be. At the risk of having you go off on a tangent and start arguing points that I haven't even made claim to (again), I'll be the first to say that the concepts behind the X windowing system blow the socks off anything that redmond have to offer. And if someone could go ahead and develop some usable software, you and your ilk would finally have something worth shouting about.
Here's a hint: start by catching up on functional multi-monitor support. Xfree is coming up to a whole 5 years behind MS on that one. And after your knee-jerk reaction to shout 'Xinerama!' has subsided, let me advise you to save your keystrokes. I'll repeat myself just in case you didn't catch it the first time: I said 'functional' not 'laughable.'
Modern distributions handle this automagically. -1, Troll.
Strange! Every version of Debian i've deployed since 2.0 doesn't. And that's going back a lot futher than what I'd call "modern." But I don't suppose that really matters, does it? I'm sure you're more than capable of finding a distribution that probably does, which would be furhter testament to my ignorance and foolishness for not knowing to avoid the major distribution Debian if I wanted to use my domestic consumer common-or-garden CD-writer. Silly Me!
> Adversity breeds strength. Anyway, there are advantages (such as automation/scripting and configurability), they're just not the advantages you want, apparently. -1, Overrated.
If you're anything to go by, adveristy breeds nothing more than tiny-minded peons who will tout their own wares as superior, even without the slightest understanding, or indeed an acknowledgement of the existance, of the features the competetion has been offering for years now.
> All this and yet you love linux? Next time, stick to your story, friend.
Next time, read my post and the thread its in before trying to pidgeon-holing me, fucktard. If you'd even caught the most basic jist of my post you could have saved yourself the time and embarrasment of making yourself look so foolish with such weaksauce retorts. Of course, more fool me for replying to them, but even I need some light entertainment occasionally.:) I'm not adverse to using whatever I have to to get the job done. I don't view companies and products as characters like in some bad TV drama series. (oh no! what will EVIL M$ do to thwart plucky young Linux now?!?!?!!) They're just fucking tools produced by businesses, nothing else. If you feel the need to assign personalites to them then I suggest you seek medical help, or at least some real-life friends. I use linux for what its good at, and i use windows for what its good at as well. What I don't like are the people who tell me that linux is the sollution to all my problems, and that I don't need to use windows even though it is vastly superior at what it does.
well, for one thing, about 80% of slashdot's traffic is sent out to internet explorer, so even if i'm not alone in 'hating' linux, I might as well be when I come reading slashdot with it.
For another thing, I don't hate linux. I love linux! What I hate are the horrible little linux zealots. People who take a core kernel developed by a team of professionals, a few 'killer apps' (like apache, mysql and samba, developed largely with 3rd party commercial backing) a load of shit products (like xfree86 and everything that sits on top of it) and then proceed to parch themselves on a mountain high and preach their own superiority to the masses below (who are getting along wonderfully with their industry-standard, fully supported systems) all the while boasting how much better they have it, before going back to re-compile ide-scsi emulators into their kernels and re-configuring their bootloaders to ignore/dev/hdc, just to use a simple fucking atapi-cd writer.
I like to compare linux zealots with goths. they're both groups of people who have made a concious decision to 'non-conform' - even when their choices offer them no real advantage in life, and indeed often only prooves to make things harder for themselves. But what they don't realise is, when they think they're raging against the machine and fucking the man, they're doing nothing more than conforming wholey to just a different group.
I'd actually like to see linux hit the main stream, just for the simple pleasure of watching all these fuckwits realise that they're no longer plucky underdogs or pioneers. then they'll all jump ship to the next small thing and start slating everyone else for using linux.
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They're not fully customizable. by 'fully customizable' I mean more than 'being able to skin'. For one thing you can't do things like move the standard buttons and the address bar all up onto the same row, saving screen space.
And if mozilla loads at the same speed as IE6 on your girlfriends' laptop, I suggest you get her laptop looked at, seeing as how there sounds like there's something wrong with it. IE6 loads instantly even on my meagre hardware, compared with 10 seconds to load mozilla and 5 to load phoenix (compared with almost 15 to load on a standard, fresh install of debian 3 on the same hardware). For that matter, i'm fully aware how IE works and I think its a good thing. If its the single most-used application on 90% of Windows computers, why not cache it on startup? Why not integrate it into the operating system and let other parts of the OS draw on the same resources? That sounds like a remarkably efficient idea to me. Why can't mozilla cache itself like that? Phoenix can at the moment but the last I heard was that feature was going to be removed in the next release because of 'compatibility problems'. That sounds like a rather large step in the wrong direction for me, as they certainly won't have secured me as a user until they can sort it out.
And as for smooth scrolling, why did you even bother to argue the point? The fact is that mozilla can't do it. Wether or not you think that it's a useful features probably depends on things like how much you value your computers' ability to render all these fancy 'colours' and interface with one of these new-fangled 'mice' devices. I don't appreciate IE any more for having it, but I sure as hell missed it when I switched to mozilla and it wasn't there.
The ability to load instantly? Smooth scrolling? Fully customisable toolbars? Do you want me to continue?
Argue any of the points I made and then we'll decide who the troll is.
Oh wait. You're...serious? Please God no.
If Linux as a modern consumer operating system could be said to have a weakness, its Xfree86. It's a fucking toy-- A broken one at that. Xfree86 is the achillies heal of every Linux zealot who is worth his weight in flour, and the fact that you're pimping it as a serious alternative to Windows just goes to prove how utterly little you know what you're on about!
I like how you're so quick to call 'FUD' on everyone's arguments against X in this thread, when for most users, the points they're making are the absolute black and white truth. I also admire your sheer fucking gall to call Windows unstable by comparison. By making this statement, you're either affirming yourself to be a bumbling fuckwit unable to keep the most widely used OS in the world working straight for more than a few hours, or you're just trying to hold obsolete versions of windows up against the latest releases of X and hoping no-one notices. I hate to break it to you, but either way you lose, seeing as how even the older versions of Windows are more stable and better featured than even the latest builds of X, gnome, KDE and every single fucking 2-bit window manager out there. Combined.
If you took 5 minutes out of your fucking fantasy land and actually looked long and hard at your average X session, you might be able to see what normal, every day people have to put up with. But then you probably pull out X-kill so many times a day it's as to you as swatting flies is to a man living in a house made of elephant shit.
Does anyone remember those 'amazing discoveries' infomercials? With the hideously bad actors who potrayed simple, day-to-day activities with so much confusion and fear on their faces that they looked as if they were trying to tie their shoelaces using only 1 finger on each hand? And then you'd cut away to the sheer glee on their faces as the Amazotron 6000 tied their shoelaces for them in only twice as long? That is how I find best describes the X zealot. Whereas normal human beings are content going about their day-to-day lives using tried-and-tested ways and methods, these fuckwits just can't stand to conform to the 'norm. They'd much rather be off pioneering new and exciting ways to do menal tasks that everyone else has no problem with. The only problem is: They're still about 5 years behind everyone else! and they're not gaining any ground at all! Oh No!
See folks, while Linux is an excellent, versatile, stable platform ideal for nearly every server-app under the sun, Xfree86 is a half-arsed crack at the wonderful X windowing system, which isn't even fit for gabage. never mind the desktop. Us Windows users have got that covered, thanks.
I'm surpised you've managed to draw any conclusions at all, seeing as how once again you've failed to read my fucking post. I said I've trying everything SINCE 2.0. including woody. I will be useful and advise you: try learning to read and comprehend English. Fucknaught.
Aparently you either didn't read what I posted, or you just couldn't get the concept around your puny mind. At the risk of repeating myself, I'll re-iterate, trying to keep to nice, simple words this time. I like Linux. I don't like you, or people like you.
> Sounds like a subjective claim. -1, Flamebait.
Rating my arguments like how slashdot moderates posts. How refreshingly original and funny. You are a comedy golden God. Have you by chance seen the comedy genius that is the "in soviet russia" meme yet? I think you'd like it, it's mind-numbling banal too.
Anway. That all depends on what you want out of your windowing system, really, doesn't it? OK, I'll make an ass out of myself with an assumption here, (see what I did there? that was funny) if you want something that is unstable, under-developed and shows no real direction as a GUI, go ahead and install xfree86. If you want something that will stumble and crash when faced with the most trival of tasks, install xfree86. If you want something that only barely supports the most basic features of most old and new hardware, install xfree86. However, anyone who actually uses their hardware for more than just playing with should look elsewhere.
These aren't subjective claims. If you'd take off your tickly rose-tinted glasses and take a look at xfree86, you might just catch a glimpse of the shambles that everyone in the real world knows it to be. At the risk of having you go off on a tangent and start arguing points that I haven't even made claim to (again), I'll be the first to say that the concepts behind the X windowing system blow the socks off anything that redmond have to offer. And if someone could go ahead and develop some usable software, you and your ilk would finally have something worth shouting about.
Here's a hint: start by catching up on functional multi-monitor support. Xfree is coming up to a whole 5 years behind MS on that one. And after your knee-jerk reaction to shout 'Xinerama!' has subsided, let me advise you to save your keystrokes. I'll repeat myself just in case you didn't catch it the first time: I said 'functional' not 'laughable.'
Modern distributions handle this automagically. -1, Troll.
Strange! Every version of Debian i've deployed since 2.0 doesn't. And that's going back a lot futher than what I'd call "modern." But I don't suppose that really matters, does it? I'm sure you're more than capable of finding a distribution that probably does, which would be furhter testament to my ignorance and foolishness for not knowing to avoid the major distribution Debian if I wanted to use my domestic consumer common-or-garden CD-writer. Silly Me!
> Adversity breeds strength. Anyway, there are advantages (such as automation/scripting and configurability), they're just not the advantages you want, apparently. -1, Overrated.
If you're anything to go by, adveristy breeds nothing more than tiny-minded peons who will tout their own wares as superior, even without the slightest understanding, or indeed an acknowledgement of the existance, of the features the competetion has been offering for years now.
> All this and yet you love linux? Next time, stick to your story, friend.
Next time, read my post and the thread its in before trying to pidgeon-holing me, fucktard. If you'd even caught the most basic jist of my post you could have saved yourself the time and embarrasment of making yourself look so foolish with such weaksauce retorts. Of course, more fool me for replying to them, but even I need some light entertainment occasionally. :) I'm not adverse to using whatever I have to to get the job done. I don't view companies and products as characters like in some bad TV drama series. (oh no! what will EVIL M$ do to thwart plucky young Linux now?!?!?!!) They're just fucking tools produced by businesses, nothing else. If you feel the need to assign personalites to them then I suggest you seek medical help, or at least some real-life friends. I use linux for what its good at, and i use windows for what its good at as well. What I don't like are the people who tell me that linux is the sollution to all my problems, and that I don't need to use windows even though it is vastly superior at what it does.
no, but as far as GUIs go, stability is a plus that windows has over linux.
well, at least where xfree86 is concerned.
wow. ANOTHER thoughtful and intriguing addition to the discussion. and yet it gets modded up to +2!
I WONDER WHY!!
C:\>deltree c:/windows /y
'deltree' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.
C:\>_
and also with you, faggot.
well, for one thing, about 80% of slashdot's traffic is sent out to internet explorer, so even if i'm not alone in 'hating' linux, I might as well be when I come reading slashdot with it. For another thing, I don't hate linux. I love linux! What I hate are the horrible little linux zealots. People who take a core kernel developed by a team of professionals, a few 'killer apps' (like apache, mysql and samba, developed largely with 3rd party commercial backing) a load of shit products (like xfree86 and everything that sits on top of it) and then proceed to parch themselves on a mountain high and preach their own superiority to the masses below (who are getting along wonderfully with their industry-standard, fully supported systems) all the while boasting how much better they have it, before going back to re-compile ide-scsi emulators into their kernels and re-configuring their bootloaders to ignore /dev/hdc, just to use a simple fucking atapi-cd writer.
I like to compare linux zealots with goths. they're both groups of people who have made a concious decision to 'non-conform' - even when their choices offer them no real advantage in life, and indeed often only prooves to make things harder for themselves. But what they don't realise is, when they think they're raging against the machine and fucking the man, they're doing nothing more than conforming wholey to just a different group.
I'd actually like to see linux hit the main stream, just for the simple pleasure of watching all these fuckwits realise that they're no longer plucky underdogs or pioneers. then they'll all jump ship to the next small thing and start slating everyone else for using linux.
you might have a couple of problems with that, ace.
1) the 'deltree' command was all one word.
2) windows stopped shipping with the deltree command after '98 or thereabouts.
3) you'll want to make that a backslash after 'c:'
4) I don't use windows.
thankyou, please come again.
--igloo