How do they throw away the keys? If they're just zeroing the area with the identity/security info it might not be that much more secure.
It's hardware decryption. The key only ever exist within the SOC. Throwing away the decryption key means overwriting it with a new one. There is no possibility of recovery.
"Zeroing the storage space" probably does not overwrite anything on flash storage. Flash is very resistant to writing anything to a block unless it has to, as there are limited numbers of writes before the the block becomes unusable. Writing random data will, but at a cost of significant time. And it's still less secure than deleting the key of an encrypted drive.
Racism, which you proposed to ban earlier [slashdot.org] is exactly that â" a thought... To avoid such semantic problems in the future, do try to use more precise terms.
Here's one. Fuck off you pretentious turd with a persecution complex.
"Banning racism"... That's a good one. You can't ban thoughts â" not yet, anyway. At most, you can prohibit some manifestations of those thoughts...
Thoughts are irrelevant. Only actions impinge on others. And in civilised countries racist actions are already banned.
that's not the reason for the Blacks' poverty. You see, Asians are targets of racism too â" in America. Jews were targets of racism in Europe for centuries â" and remain in certain places. Yet, neither of those two groups are worse off, on average, than the surrounding population at large. In fact, they tend to be better off â" despite the racism.
Not in the same way. Black racism consists of the assumption that they are criminal, violent and or stupid. Theses are not the assumptions about Asians or Jews. Which means they don't suffer the same disadvantages in the employment market that blacks do.
There are complex cultural differences too, but their existence doesn't mean that the racism element isn't significant and probably prominent.
First, you admit here that species actually exist.
Admit? No part of the argument is the existence of species. There's no "admission" here. it was never in contention. But a species is no longer the best level to consider evolution at.
As I noted in response to serviscope_minor, there are other examples of macroscopic phenomena which don't make sense to consider only in terms of the smallest scale that contains the phenomena.
There's sound, and there's music. Your contention is that evolution is like music, not sound. That's wrong, because music is about a subjective appreciation of art. And evolution, like sound, is a purely objective physical process. Music only exists at a macroscopic level. Evolution exists at the gene level.
That you observe the outcomes of gene selection at the species level rather then the gene level is a function of what your senses are capable of perceiving not what is actually happening. You also may notice that iron goes rusty, and to you that means it turns from grey to reddish brown. But what's really happening is happening at the molecular level.
But it can also experience higher level selection (such as survival being dependent on morphological properties such as size, speed, or physical appearance) which can depend on a subtle mix of large numbers of genes acting together.
Correct. But the way those high level features continue is through selection of those genes individually. There is no other level that selection works at. If a gene finds itself in an lifeform that has an advantage in part because the action of that gene in combination with other genes, then it will be more likely to successfully reproduce. Period.
Apple is a fashion accessory company. Why would you think otherwise?
Simply because they are not. They are a technology company that values design and can thus sell at premium prices. Which is very much not fashion.
I really think you don't understand the rural market.
I don't think you understand the world. The consumer truck is relatively rare in most developed countries. Even in rural parts. It might be YOUR priority, and it might even be something Tesla do when it's possible to proactively do one that is pure EV. But they don't need to compromise their business to deliver a compromise vehicle to a relatively small market.
With iOS, you can set it up so it can do remote secure wipe. So even if it's stolen, or you only remember you didn't wipe the data after you sold it, you can still be sure it's wiped the next time it connects to the network.
Indeed, you do have all the data on iCloud still safe. It's not on the phone though, and neither is any username or password, so it's irrelevant to selling the phone.
Reading between the lines, the data was recovered with recovery tools, because standard delete on a flash drive just marks a block as reusable, it doesn't actually overwrite the data.
Apple have issued guidance to law enforcement and security service on what they can and can't retrieve from an iPhone if given a court order. For a wiped phone it is nothing. There is no backdoor.
"resetting" your ANDROID phone to manufacturer settings doesn't wipe any data. Even manually "deleting" it and then "resetting" the phone doesn't do that. It merely marks the flash memory in the phone to be "reusable".
Fixed that for you. Let's not attribute Android weaknesses to phones that don't suffer them, such as the iPhone.
Because throwing the keys away on an encrypted drive is more secure than overwriting an unencrypted drive with zeros, as the data recovery experts will be glad to tell you.
I would hope the probability of randomly selecting a pedophile is less than 1 in 20. Still 1000 adult nudie pictures from 20 random phones is more than I'd have guessed.
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How do they throw away the keys? If they're just zeroing the area with the identity/security info it might not be that much more secure.
It's hardware decryption. The key only ever exist within the SOC. Throwing away the decryption key means overwriting it with a new one. There is no possibility of recovery.
"Zeroing the storage space" probably does not overwrite anything on flash storage. Flash is very resistant to writing anything to a block unless it has to, as there are limited numbers of writes before the the block becomes unusable. Writing random data will, but at a cost of significant time. And it's still less secure than deleting the key of an encrypted drive.
Racism, which you proposed to ban earlier [slashdot.org] is exactly that â" a thought... To avoid such semantic problems in the future, do try to use more precise terms.
Here's one. Fuck off you pretentious turd with a persecution complex.
You're a great advert for the IQ level of Android users.
'Tis but a scratch!
It's just a flesh wound!
Your personal phone preferences are irrelevant. This is a discussion of a specific feature of iOS and a weakness of Android.
"Banning racism"... That's a good one. You can't ban thoughts â" not yet, anyway. At most, you can prohibit some manifestations of those thoughts...
Thoughts are irrelevant. Only actions impinge on others. And in civilised countries racist actions are already banned.
that's not the reason for the Blacks' poverty. You see, Asians are targets of racism too â" in America. Jews were targets of racism in Europe for centuries â" and remain in certain places. Yet, neither of those two groups are worse off, on average, than the surrounding population at large. In fact, they tend to be better off â" despite the racism.
Not in the same way. Black racism consists of the assumption that they are criminal, violent and or stupid. Theses are not the assumptions about Asians or Jews. Which means they don't suffer the same disadvantages in the employment market that blacks do.
There are complex cultural differences too, but their existence doesn't mean that the racism element isn't significant and probably prominent.
That's not a fact, that's an assertion.
No, it's a fact.
Show me your necessary and sufficient falsifiable hypothesis statement that excludes natural climate change at any rate over 50%.
Drivel.
Oh, so if someone posts 100m data points they are credible and when one only mentions one single life experience it is not?
Do you know what a straw-man is?
Sorry, but being anti-science isn't the sole purview of the far right.
Indeed you do get the occasional progressive fruit-cake too. But the right have a real talent for it.
First, you admit here that species actually exist.
Admit? No part of the argument is the existence of species. There's no "admission" here. it was never in contention. But a species is no longer the best level to consider evolution at.
As I noted in response to serviscope_minor, there are other examples of macroscopic phenomena which don't make sense to consider only in terms of the smallest scale that contains the phenomena.
There's sound, and there's music. Your contention is that evolution is like music, not sound. That's wrong, because music is about a subjective appreciation of art. And evolution, like sound, is a purely objective physical process. Music only exists at a macroscopic level. Evolution exists at the gene level.
That you observe the outcomes of gene selection at the species level rather then the gene level is a function of what your senses are capable of perceiving not what is actually happening. You also may notice that iron goes rusty, and to you that means it turns from grey to reddish brown. But what's really happening is happening at the molecular level.
But it can also experience higher level selection (such as survival being dependent on morphological properties such as size, speed, or physical appearance) which can depend on a subtle mix of large numbers of genes acting together.
Correct. But the way those high level features continue is through selection of those genes individually. There is no other level that selection works at. If a gene finds itself in an lifeform that has an advantage in part because the action of that gene in combination with other genes, then it will be more likely to successfully reproduce. Period.
Apple is a fashion accessory company. Why would you think otherwise?
Simply because they are not. They are a technology company that values design and can thus sell at premium prices. Which is very much not fashion.
I really think you don't understand the rural market.
I don't think you understand the world. The consumer truck is relatively rare in most developed countries. Even in rural parts. It might be YOUR priority, and it might even be something Tesla do when it's possible to proactively do one that is pure EV. But they don't need to compromise their business to deliver a compromise vehicle to a relatively small market.
With iOS, you can set it up so it can do remote secure wipe. So even if it's stolen, or you only remember you didn't wipe the data after you sold it, you can still be sure it's wiped the next time it connects to the network.
Indeed, you do have all the data on iCloud still safe. It's not on the phone though, and neither is any username or password, so it's irrelevant to selling the phone.
Reading between the lines, the data was recovered with recovery tools, because standard delete on a flash drive just marks a block as reusable, it doesn't actually overwrite the data.
Apple have issued guidance to law enforcement and security service on what they can and can't retrieve from an iPhone if given a court order. For a wiped phone it is nothing. There is no backdoor.
Agreed, but the money's not there. This promotes resale, which takes away from apple's.....i mean...the phone manufacturer's....bottom line.
The problem with your blind hatred is that Apple's phones DO have this option. An instant one stop secure delete. It's Android that is sadly lacking.
But that's a terrible approach to wiping a flash drive.
"resetting" your ANDROID phone to manufacturer settings doesn't wipe any data. Even manually "deleting" it and then "resetting" the phone doesn't do that. It merely marks the flash memory in the phone to be "reusable".
Fixed that for you. Let's not attribute Android weaknesses to phones that don't suffer them, such as the iPhone.
With iOS, it's a simple option to securely delete everything. And it takes no time.
With Android it's not a one step operation and it's full of ifs and buts. And it will take some time. See for example:
http://lifehacker.com/5808280/...
Because throwing the keys away on an encrypted drive is more secure than overwriting an unencrypted drive with zeros, as the data recovery experts will be glad to tell you.
I would not trust an encryption method as a replacement for permanent data destruction, but I may be more paranoid than most.
More paranoid than computer scientists, for sure.
When someone says reset phone and reset data, the OS should ensure a clean wipe not a soft wipe.
iOS does. The data is stored in encrypted form. A wipe throws the encryption key away, thus in an instant, the whole drive is unreadable.
I would hope the probability of randomly selecting a pedophile is less than 1 in 20. Still 1000 adult nudie pictures from 20 random phones is more than I'd have guessed.
Although that can get you prison time.
HA HA!