Is 4chan the kind of place where people require some kind of evidence before believing random people on the internet making unsubstantiated claims?
No, its the kind of place where trolls say "pics or it didn't happen" then other trolls create a composite in photoshop. I don't know if they invented the phrase, but they certainly popularised it. Presumably you've never heard of goatse or GNAA and are unaware of where they originated. Guess.
Obviously NSFW, and not recommended at any other time either. Sticking hot knives in your eyes would be a preferable activity.
So yeah, I have interacted with many OSS developers even notoriously flamy ones and never been flamed. Because I am polite, respectful and cricually I treat their time as more important than my own, because to them it is.
And I've also seen many flames.
What's clearly coming across here is that you're an established frat-boy who knows the arcane rules and implied hierarchy already, and denies that hazing happens, whist admitting that it does happen to those that deserve it. After all, they must deserve it, otherwise they wouldn't be hazed.
This is why Linux never succeeded on the desktop. But when an entirely commercial organisation took on designing a Linux user interface - Android - with programmers implementing designs from UX experts, suddenly it's successful.
Chances of you landing a paid OSS job without first putting in years of unpaid work on the project. Pretty small. And in order to get those years, you've first got to get past the beginner hazing that TWiTfan was referring to.
So, where are the emails of Torvalds flaming TWiTfan? He claimed he was personally put off. And you reply as evidence that some completely unrelated random person was flamed by someone else entirely.
So what you are saying is while there's ample evidence of it happening to others, you're just calling TWiTfan a liar because you don't believe it happened to him.
Sadly, most OSS projects need technical writers and designers more than they need more programmers. But many of them only let in programmers, most of whom can't write or design worth a shit (and would consider it beneath them even if they could). And most technical writers and designers who do try to sign up get turned off pretty fast by being treated like shit by arrogant programmers.
Absolutely. The OSS projects that are applications could certainly do with UX designers, but the chances of programmers listening to a UX designer saying that stuff should be removed from the interface are slim. Look at the backlash Ubuntu got from coders for bringing their desktop into the 21st century.
Better still, use your programming talents to get a programming job you enjoy. Not only will they treat you more politely than an OSS project, they'll pay you.
I hope you're right. I don't see much sign of the current UK government taking any notice of what the people want. They are certainly on the side of the tax avoiders.
You really dont understand that the IRS is complicit in the shit that you are complaining about, do you?
The IRS might be your tax collection agency, it's not mine. This is a worldwide problem, which is one of the things that indicates that you are the one who doesn't understand this. It's not the problem of your local tax collection agency, it's a fundamental difficulty of there being multiple governments, all with their own tax collection rules and regimes. It's the cracks between that the multi-nationals exploit.
It's difficult to fix because there is no world organisation or government that can stitch the mosaic of different countries tax laws into a gapless whole.
Think about it. Any international transaction can take place between any two countries. There are about 200 companies, to that means there are about 40,000 combinations of tax law that might apply to a single transaction. The fact that those laws are mostly not even written in the same language just adds to the fun.
And that's only one tiny part of the problem.
You think it's so easy. You think the IRS/Government can just decide to collect the avoided taxes. And that's just naive.
I have a mortgage. I have no right to my property - in reality. I'm permitted to live here by the bank so long as I continue to serve.
Well that just means that it's not actually your property, but the bank's. In whole or in part. But presumably you do have possessions that you bought outright?
My right to life is completely subjective to anyone elses whim and my ability to defend myself.
No it's not. The fact that someone else might transgress your rights (and hopefully incur punishment for doing so) does not mean you don't have rights. And in the general course of things the right serves us well. Few people are murdered. Imagine how many more would be killed were there not a government/police to support your right. It's no so hard to imagine, look at somewhere like Somalia.
On behalf of my country, I apologise. Personally, I always opposed the bitch, and have always argued that most of the privatisations were a mistake, and some should be reversed. They were nationalised for good reason in the first place.
Oh dear, that's a bit of a bleak outlook socceroos. How's your nature? That of your family and friends. How's the nature of the school teachers and professors you had? Your doctor?...
And rights, useless? Your right to life and right to control over your own property has served you reasonably well so far I hope.
but looking narrowly at 'tax avoidance' - using any and all legal means to minimise the loss - it's hard [for me] to see how there could possibly be anything wrong with that.
Problem is a the multi-nationals play off countries against each other. Finding the cracks between the laws of different countries. There's, what, a couple of hundred countries in the world. Any given international transaction means 2 countries. That means around 40,000 possible pairs of tax laws, to have no gaps between.
It'd be hard if all the countries were cooperating as part of the same team. But they're actually competing.
The world is far more complicated than it looks at first glance.
I was doing O Levels a decade or so before that. I'm a couple of years older than Gove. I hardly did any homework, if I did one item a week I'd be surprised. In those days you only had to pass the exam, so laziness followed by a couple of weeks of cramming before the exam worked OK for me. You wouldn't end up with qualifications doing that now.
Do you ever go into a public Library? I do, and I see kids from the college beavering away. Weekdays and weekends. In a way we never did. We used to call study periods time off, never mind weekends.
Foreign languages? No one used to cooperate at all in French classes at school. No one could see the point as most couldn't imagine ever living or working abroad. Boy, did I regret that later in life when I lived in France for 2 years. Conversational French? In two years French at School I could ask someone's name and count to 60.
Now you might just be thinking I was stupid. But I was in the top stream at a grammar school and passed most of my exams. Though obviously not French.
I don't have kids of my own, but when I talk to kids of my friends, I'm not of the opinion they are less well educated than kids of my era. Quite the contrary. And my nephew and niece are certainly far better educated than my generation of the family was. Just as mine was than the generation before.
I honestly think that not only is education better these days, kids have access to far more sources of information. Back then if I didn't know something, and I was curious, I had to spend half a day going to the library in the hope of a book that would tell me. These days, anything they want to know they find out straight away. And that makes a big difference. Curiosity is satisfied. And that makes them more knowledgeable.
I wish people would stop thinking that their particular generation was the pinnacle of learning. It's nonsense. I think in part, people forget how little they knew back in their mid teens. When they find a kid doesn't know something, they're not adjusting properly for all the adult years of experience they have over the kid.
And then there's the culture war aspect of why some people put "modern", "trendy" education down. But this post is long enough already.
whoa, what's with the race card coming out? I never said anything about race
Indeed you didn't. It was someone else that made the comment that they thought the reason for the award was in the photo. But whilst he backed down, you continued. It seemed like you were continuing the cynicism. If your only complaint is poor science reporting in main stream media, then I don't see anything wrong with that complaint.
This is pathetic. Finding a few common terms in two different papers? Finding that she didn't do her work in a vacuum? This is enough to assume a science fair experiment is basically fraudulent?
Because she's a non-white girl? And that the idea that she didn't deserve to win fits in with "political-correctness-gone-mad" narratives.
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Is 4chan the kind of place where people require some kind of evidence before believing random people on the internet making unsubstantiated claims?
No, its the kind of place where trolls say "pics or it didn't happen" then other trolls create a composite in photoshop. I don't know if they invented the phrase, but they certainly popularised it. Presumably you've never heard of goatse or GNAA and are unaware of where they originated. Guess.
Obviously NSFW, and not recommended at any other time either. Sticking hot knives in your eyes would be a preferable activity.
Because the more successful ones let n00bs contribute code?
The more successful ones don't let programmers run the show. Good programmers tend to be awful managers.
Is that not finished yet? It only took two people a couple of years to write the original.
Do you actually spend much time on 4chan, or are you just aspiring to be that kind of jackass?
Aaah so there are no TRUE scotsmen^Wpaid OSS developer jobs.
Your problem there is that I never said there are no paid OSS developer jobs. So not my no true Scotsman, but your strawman.
So yeah, I have interacted with many OSS developers even notoriously flamy ones and never been flamed. Because I am polite, respectful and cricually I treat their time as more important than my own, because to them it is.
And I've also seen many flames.
What's clearly coming across here is that you're an established frat-boy who knows the arcane rules and implied hierarchy already, and denies that hazing happens, whist admitting that it does happen to those that deserve it. After all, they must deserve it, otherwise they wouldn't be hazed.
Thanks for demonstrating my point so well.
This is why Linux never succeeded on the desktop. But when an entirely commercial organisation took on designing a Linux user interface - Android - with programmers implementing designs from UX experts, suddenly it's successful.
Chances of you landing a paid OSS job without first putting in years of unpaid work on the project. Pretty small. And in order to get those years, you've first got to get past the beginner hazing that TWiTfan was referring to.
You think there aren't enjoyable programming jobs in the real world?
So, where are the emails of Torvalds flaming TWiTfan? He claimed he was personally put off. And you reply as evidence that some completely unrelated random person was flamed by someone else entirely.
So what you are saying is while there's ample evidence of it happening to others, you're just calling TWiTfan a liar because you don't believe it happened to him.
I think you just became your own example.
Sadly, most OSS projects need technical writers and designers more than they need more programmers. But many of them only let in programmers, most of whom can't write or design worth a shit (and would consider it beneath them even if they could). And most technical writers and designers who do try to sign up get turned off pretty fast by being treated like shit by arrogant programmers.
Absolutely. The OSS projects that are applications could certainly do with UX designers, but the chances of programmers listening to a UX designer saying that stuff should be removed from the interface are slim. Look at the backlash Ubuntu got from coders for bringing their desktop into the 21st century.
Pics or it didn't happen. In other words, I've hear this a lot on the internet
Me too. And I've seen the nasty emails from Torvalds. Those are what you need, not pics.
Better still, use your programming talents to get a programming job you enjoy. Not only will they treat you more politely than an OSS project, they'll pay you.
I hope you're right. I don't see much sign of the current UK government taking any notice of what the people want. They are certainly on the side of the tax avoiders.
You really dont understand that the IRS is complicit in the shit that you are complaining about, do you?
The IRS might be your tax collection agency, it's not mine. This is a worldwide problem, which is one of the things that indicates that you are the one who doesn't understand this. It's not the problem of your local tax collection agency, it's a fundamental difficulty of there being multiple governments, all with their own tax collection rules and regimes. It's the cracks between that the multi-nationals exploit.
It's difficult to fix because there is no world organisation or government that can stitch the mosaic of different countries tax laws into a gapless whole.
Think about it. Any international transaction can take place between any two countries. There are about 200 companies, to that means there are about 40,000 combinations of tax law that might apply to a single transaction. The fact that those laws are mostly not even written in the same language just adds to the fun.
And that's only one tiny part of the problem.
You think it's so easy. You think the IRS/Government can just decide to collect the avoided taxes. And that's just naive.
I have a mortgage. I have no right to my property - in reality. I'm permitted to live here by the bank so long as I continue to serve.
Well that just means that it's not actually your property, but the bank's. In whole or in part. But presumably you do have possessions that you bought outright?
My right to life is completely subjective to anyone elses whim and my ability to defend myself.
No it's not. The fact that someone else might transgress your rights (and hopefully incur punishment for doing so) does not mean you don't have rights. And in the general course of things the right serves us well. Few people are murdered. Imagine how many more would be killed were there not a government/police to support your right. It's no so hard to imagine, look at somewhere like Somalia.
It's a truism. If you can't see the problem, then you can't be expected to participate in finding a solution.
Excuses excuses.
Is that the best you can do? That was my brothers favourite phrase when he was a school kid.
I like how you advocate letting these scumbag companies get away with it by saying "it's too hard" to fix the problem...
Not only do I make no such advocation, the fact that my sig is attacking the tax dodging of one of those companies makes your comment laughable.
On behalf of my country, I apologise. Personally, I always opposed the bitch, and have always argued that most of the privatisations were a mistake, and some should be reversed. They were nationalised for good reason in the first place.
Oh dear, that's a bit of a bleak outlook socceroos. How's your nature? That of your family and friends. How's the nature of the school teachers and professors you had? Your doctor?...
And rights, useless? Your right to life and right to control over your own property has served you reasonably well so far I hope.
but looking narrowly at 'tax avoidance' - using any and all legal means to minimise the loss - it's hard [for me] to see how there could possibly be anything wrong with that.
Then you are part of the problem.
Problem is a the multi-nationals play off countries against each other. Finding the cracks between the laws of different countries. There's, what, a couple of hundred countries in the world. Any given international transaction means 2 countries. That means around 40,000 possible pairs of tax laws, to have no gaps between.
It'd be hard if all the countries were cooperating as part of the same team. But they're actually competing.
The world is far more complicated than it looks at first glance.
I was taking GCSEs a couple of decades ago.
I was doing O Levels a decade or so before that. I'm a couple of years older than Gove. I hardly did any homework, if I did one item a week I'd be surprised. In those days you only had to pass the exam, so laziness followed by a couple of weeks of cramming before the exam worked OK for me. You wouldn't end up with qualifications doing that now.
Do you ever go into a public Library? I do, and I see kids from the college beavering away. Weekdays and weekends. In a way we never did. We used to call study periods time off, never mind weekends.
Foreign languages? No one used to cooperate at all in French classes at school. No one could see the point as most couldn't imagine ever living or working abroad. Boy, did I regret that later in life when I lived in France for 2 years. Conversational French? In two years French at School I could ask someone's name and count to 60.
Now you might just be thinking I was stupid. But I was in the top stream at a grammar school and passed most of my exams. Though obviously not French.
I don't have kids of my own, but when I talk to kids of my friends, I'm not of the opinion they are less well educated than kids of my era. Quite the contrary. And my nephew and niece are certainly far better educated than my generation of the family was. Just as mine was than the generation before.
I honestly think that not only is education better these days, kids have access to far more sources of information. Back then if I didn't know something, and I was curious, I had to spend half a day going to the library in the hope of a book that would tell me. These days, anything they want to know they find out straight away. And that makes a big difference. Curiosity is satisfied. And that makes them more knowledgeable.
I wish people would stop thinking that their particular generation was the pinnacle of learning. It's nonsense. I think in part, people forget how little they knew back in their mid teens. When they find a kid doesn't know something, they're not adjusting properly for all the adult years of experience they have over the kid.
And then there's the culture war aspect of why some people put "modern", "trendy" education down. But this post is long enough already.
whoa, what's with the race card coming out? I never said anything about race
Indeed you didn't. It was someone else that made the comment that they thought the reason for the award was in the photo. But whilst he backed down, you continued. It seemed like you were continuing the cynicism. If your only complaint is poor science reporting in main stream media, then I don't see anything wrong with that complaint.
This is pathetic. Finding a few common terms in two different papers? Finding that she didn't do her work in a vacuum? This is enough to assume a science fair experiment is basically fraudulent?
Because she's a non-white girl? And that the idea that she didn't deserve to win fits in with "political-correctness-gone-mad" narratives.
I despair.